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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>
Cc: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@kernel.org>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>, Jeremy Kerr <jk@ozlabs.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-unionfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 10/19] VFS/ovl: add d_alloc_noblock_return()
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2026 05:35:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260428043511.GW3518998@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <177733649056.1474915.2313612194633470905@noble.neil.brown.name>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2026 at 10:34:50AM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:

> > This contract is a bit subtle.
> > We have plenty of contracts where the caller must dput() in case of success
> > or in case of error, but must dput in case of a specific error that
> > sounds fragile.
> > 
> > How about:
> > * If the existing dentry is d_in_lookup(), d_alloc_noblock()
> >  * returns with error %-EWOULDBLOCK and the blocking dentry is passed
> >  * in @dentryp. Regardless of the returned error, if @dentryp is set by this
> >  * function, the returned dentry must be dput() by the caller.
> 
> That is sensible, though I've used slightly different words.

I would add "dentry reference stored in *dentryp may be in any state -
the only thing promised is that the reference is counting one;
do *NOT* expect it to be in-lookup or in the same directory or
hashed at any point or anything whatsoever, really.  Users beware."

In case it's not obvious from the above, I don't think it's a safe API to have -
there's very little you can do to that dentry other than dput() it and it does
change things in a fairly subtle way: right now in-lookup dentry is *not*
visible to any thread other than caller of d_alloc_parallel() that has created
it.  In particular, d_in_lookup(dentry) can only change due to actions of the
same thread.  With this primitive added this is no longer obviously true.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-28  4:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-27  4:01 [PATCH v3 00/19] Prepare to lift lookup out of exclusive lock for directory ops NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 01/19] VFS: fix various typos in documentation for start_creating start_removing etc NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 02/19] VFS: enhance d_splice_alias() to handle in-lookup dentries NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 03/19] VFS: allow d_alloc_name() to be used with ->d_hash NeilBrown
2026-04-28  2:10   ` Al Viro
2026-04-29  2:44     ` NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 04/19] VFS: use wait_var_event for waiting in d_alloc_parallel() NeilBrown
2026-04-28  3:37   ` Al Viro
2026-04-28 11:18     ` NeilBrown
2026-04-28 14:22       ` Al Viro
2026-04-28 23:26         ` NeilBrown
2026-04-29  5:26           ` Al Viro
2026-04-29 17:07             ` Al Viro
2026-04-29 21:03               ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-30 23:51               ` NeilBrown
2026-05-01  1:11                 ` Al Viro
2026-05-01  1:39                   ` NeilBrown
2026-05-01  1:45                     ` NeilBrown
2026-05-01  3:37                     ` Al Viro
2026-05-01 10:46                       ` NeilBrown
2026-05-01  1:20                 ` NeilBrown
2026-04-28 16:32     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 05/19] VFS: introduce d_alloc_noblock() NeilBrown
2026-04-28  2:22   ` Al Viro
2026-04-28 11:24     ` NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 06/19] VFS: add d_duplicate() NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 07/19] VFS: Add LOOKUP_SHARED flag NeilBrown
2026-04-27  7:43   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-04-27  8:47     ` NeilBrown
2026-04-27  9:05       ` Amir Goldstein
2026-04-27 23:51         ` NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 08/19] VFS/xfs/ntfs: drop parent lock across d_alloc_parallel() in d_add_ci() NeilBrown
2026-04-27  7:49   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-04-27  8:48     ` NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 09/19] ovl: stop using lookup_one() in iterate_shared() handling NeilBrown
2026-04-27 10:10   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-04-28  0:24     ` NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 10/19] VFS/ovl: add d_alloc_noblock_return() NeilBrown
2026-04-27  9:40   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-04-28  0:34     ` NeilBrown
2026-04-28  4:35       ` Al Viro [this message]
2026-04-28 11:44         ` NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 11/19] efivarfs: use d_alloc_name() NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 12/19] shmem: use d_duplicate() NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 13/19] nfs: remove d_drop()/d_alloc_parallel() from nfs_atomic_open() NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 14/19] nfs: use d_splice_alias() in nfs_link() NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 15/19] nfs: don't d_drop() before d_splice_alias() NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 16/19] nfs: don't d_drop() before d_splice_alias() in atomic_create NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 17/19] nfs: Use d_alloc_noblock() in nfs_prime_dcache() NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 18/19] nfs: use d_alloc_noblock() in silly-rename NeilBrown
2026-04-27  4:01 ` [PATCH v3 19/19] nfs: use d_duplicate() NeilBrown
2026-04-27  8:42 ` [syzbot ci] Re: Prepare to lift lookup out of exclusive lock for directory ops syzbot ci
2026-04-28 23:16   ` NeilBrown

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