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From: luca abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Yuri Andriaccio <yurand2000@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Yuri Andriaccio <yuri.andriaccio@santannapisa.it>,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, mkoutny@suse.com, cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v5 20/29] sched/deadline: Allow deeper hierarchies of RT cgroups
Date: Thu, 7 May 2026 18:44:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260507184450.07ce0638@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260507105331.GQ1026330@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hi,

On Thu, 7 May 2026 12:53:31 +0200
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
[...]
> > - This has the same problem with cgroup1's rt cgroup sched support
> > where there is no way to have a permissive default configuration,
> > which means that users who don't really care about distributing rt
> > shares hierarchically would get blocked from running rt processes
> > by default, which basically forces distros to disable rt cgroup
> > sched support. This is not new but it'd be a shame to put in all
> > the work and the end result is that most people don't even have
> > access to the feature.  
> 
> Right, but cgroup-v2 allows enabling/disabling specific controllers
> for a (sub)-hierarchy, right? So if the controller is not enabled (by
> default), it will fall back to putting the tasks in whatever parent
> does have it on, and by default the root group would have and would
> accept tasks.

If I understand well, this is similar to what I was thinking about:
having a default that allows creating FIFO/RR tasks (and execute them
without runtime control - so, without being served by a dl server)


> Additionally, I think we want a flag to allow non-priv tasks to use RT
> inside the controller -- after all, these tasks would be subject to
> strict bandwidth controls and cannot burn the system like
> unbounded/root FIFO tasks can.

This is something Yuri and I wanted to propose as a follow-up patch,
once there is an agreement on the patchset (should be a pretty simple
change :)



				Luca

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-05-07 16:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-30 21:38 [RFC PATCH v5 00/29] Hierarchical Constant Bandwidth Server Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 01/29] sched/deadline: Fix replenishment logic for non-deferred servers Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-20  8:34   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 02/29] sched/deadline: Do not access dl_se->rq directly Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 03/29] sched/deadline: Distinguish between dl_rq and my_q Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 04/29] sched/rt: Pass an rt_rq instead of an rq where needed Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 05/29] sched/rt: Move functions from rt.c to sched.h Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 06/29] sched/rt: Disable RT_GROUP_SCHED Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 07/29] sched/rt: Remove unnecessary runqueue pointer in struct rt_rq Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 08/29] sched/rt: Introduce HCBS specific structs in task_group Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 09/29] sched/core: Initialize HCBS specific structures Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 10/29] sched/deadline: Add dl_init_tg Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 11/29] sched/rt: Add {alloc/unregister/free}_rt_sched_group Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 12/29] sched/deadline: Account rt-cgroups bandwidth in deadline tasks schedulability tests Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 13/29] sched/rt: Implement dl-server operations for rt-cgroups Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 13:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 14/29] sched/rt: Update task event callbacks for HCBS scheduling Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 13:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 15/29] sched/rt: Update rt-cgroup schedulability checks Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 14:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 16/29] sched/rt: Allow zeroing the runtime of the root control group Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 17/29] sched/rt: Remove old RT_GROUP_SCHED data structures Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 18/29] sched/core: Cgroup v2 support Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 14:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-06 19:58     ` luca abeni
2026-05-07  7:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 13:30         ` luca abeni
2026-05-07 14:16           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 19/29] sched/rt: Remove support for cgroups-v1 Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 15:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 15:35     ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-13 12:15       ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-13 14:37         ` Juri Lelli
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 20/29] sched/deadline: Allow deeper hierarchies of RT cgroups Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 15:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-05 19:56     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-07 10:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 15:03         ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-07 15:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 16:39           ` luca abeni
2026-05-11  9:29             ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-11 17:52               ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-07 16:44         ` luca abeni [this message]
2026-05-11  9:40         ` luca abeni
2026-05-11 18:15           ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-11 17:37         ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-07 14:30       ` luca abeni
2026-05-11 18:28         ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-12 17:38           ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-12 18:19             ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-12 18:20               ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-13 12:08                 ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-13 19:10                   ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-14  7:25               ` luca abeni
2026-05-14 22:20                 ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-18 15:27                   ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-18 18:47                     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-19 21:02                       ` [BULK] " luca abeni
2026-05-20 18:49                         ` Tejun Heo
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 21/29] sched/rt: Update default bandwidth for real-time tasks to ONE Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-20  8:34   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 22/29] sched/rt: Add rt-cgroup migration functions Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 15:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-05 15:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 23/29] sched/rt: Hook HCBS " Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 24/29] sched/core: Execute enqueued balance callbacks when changing allowed CPUs Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 25/29] sched/rt: Try pull task on empty server pick Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 26/29] sched/core: Execute enqueued balance callbacks after migrate_disable_switch Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 27/29] Documentation: Update documentation for real-time cgroups Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 28/29] sched/rt: Add debug BUG_ONs for pre-migration code Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 29/29] sched/rt: Add debug BUG_ONs in migration code Yuri Andriaccio

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