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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Fernando Fernandez Mancera <fmancera@suse.de>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Yumei Huang <yuhuang@redhat.com>,
	Ido Schimmel <idosch@idosch.org>
Subject: Re: Problem with IPv6 privacy addresses in 7.0
Date: Wed, 27 May 2026 16:07:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260527160716.147e240f@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <675083b4-e015-4ff3-836c-798e0a971194@suse.de>

On Wed, 27 May 2026 23:59:47 +0200 Fernando Fernandez Mancera wrote:
> On 5/27/26 11:51 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org> said:  
> >> Sounds plausible, pretty sure we knew this commit was risky to begin
> >> with, but we had no direct proof that it'd break real life users.
> >>
> >> Revert is the right course of action here. Would you be willing/able
> >> to send the revert with your problem description and a Fixes tag
> >> pointing to the reverted commit?  
> > 
> > I did want to add a little more test note:
> > 
> > It's definitely an interaction with NetworkManager.  If I stop NM and
> > run my VM start/stop test, nothing unexpected happens after.  If NM is
> > running and I do my VM test, when the next router advertisement is
> > received, NM replaces the privacy addresses.
> >   
> 
> As someone that is experienced in NetworkManager, I can confirm it is 
> related. NetworkManager is querying the IPv6 address and when the 
> connection is configured with ipv6.ip6-privacy=2 (prefer-temp-addr), 
> NetworkManager creates a route to make the system use the temporary 
> address for outgoing connections by default.
> 
> If the order is messed up, the address picked will likely be too. One 
> could argue that this is partially fault of NetworkManager and that it 
> should check the timestamps or preferred times rather than order.. but 
> well, the rule is "do not break userspace".

Right, plus the justification for the change wasn't very strong 
in the first place. My internal compass is still pointing towards
a revert.

> I hope this clarifies things.



  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-27 23:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-21 13:53 Problem with IPv6 privacy addresses in 7.0 Chris Adams
2026-05-27  0:57 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-05-27  1:06   ` Chris Adams
2026-05-27  1:31     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-05-27 21:13       ` Chris Adams
2026-05-27 21:16         ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-27 21:51         ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-05-27 21:51       ` Chris Adams
2026-05-27 21:59         ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-27 23:07           ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2026-05-28  5:38           ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 10:46             ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-28 11:12               ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 11:29                 ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-28 12:29                   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2026-05-28 13:32                     ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 14:02                       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2026-05-28 14:15                       ` Íñigo Huguet
2026-05-28 14:53                         ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 15:24                           ` Íñigo Huguet
2026-05-28 16:01                             ` Beniamino Galvani
2026-05-28 17:21                               ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 18:42                                 ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-28 18:50                                   ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-28 19:22                                     ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-29  4:47                                       ` David Gibson
2026-05-29  8:40                                       ` Beniamino Galvani
2026-05-29 17:40                                         ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 14:34                       ` Andrew Lunn
2026-05-28 15:17                         ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-29  4:48                           ` David Gibson
2026-05-29  9:42                             ` Stefano Brivio
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-05-29 18:28 Tj
2026-05-29 20:04 ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-29 20:18   ` Tj
2026-06-01  8:08     ` Stefano Brivio

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