From: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
Thorsten Leemhuis <regressions@leemhuis.info>,
Fernando Fernandez Mancera <fmancera@suse.de>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, Yumei Huang <yuhuang@redhat.com>,
Ido Schimmel <idosch@idosch.org>,
Justin Iurman <justin.iurman@gmail.com>,
David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
ihuguet@redhat.com,
Linux kernel regressions list <regressions@lists.linux.dev>,
Beniamino Galvani <bgalvani@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Problem with IPv6 privacy addresses in 7.0
Date: Fri, 29 May 2026 11:42:52 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260529114216.2e42c4dd@elisabeth> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ahkar8tE5M6u0_zZ@zatzit>
On Fri, 29 May 2026 14:48:47 +1000
David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 05:17:11PM +0200, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 May 2026 16:34:02 +0200
> > Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch> wrote:
> >
> > > > Actually, an eventually fixed version of NetworkManager doesn't need to
> > > > know the behaviour of the kernel: it can just order addresses by
> > > > timestamps instead, as Fernando mentioned.
> > >
> > > Can pasta also use this scheme to order the addresses? Is there a way
> > > pasta can be independent of the order?
> >
> > pasta itself doesn't even care, it just inserts (copies) addresses one
> > by one as returned. The kernel cares, because it preferentially picks
> > the first one, as stored, within a given scope.
> >
> > The problem is that they are inserted in the opposite order than one
> > would expect (that is, opposite to what's used by the kernel to select
> > them, and opposite to what's done for IPv4).
> >
> > This (with an older kernel version) is quite "funny" (pasta by default
> > copies everything it finds to the inner namespace):
>
> Fwiw, a hypothetical tool which copied network configuration from one
> namespace to an independent one - or which saved network configuration
> to restore it later - would likely hit the same issue.
It's not even hypothetical: iproute2 has that functionality (ip address
save / restore) and addresses are restored in the wrong order on kernel
versions without this change:
# ip a a ::2 dev x && ip a a ::3 dev x
# ip a s x
2: x: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
link/ether c2:72:d1:7b:ac:26 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet6 ::3/128 scope global tentative
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 ::2/128 scope global tentative
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
# ip -6 a save dev x > dump
# ip a f x
# ip a restore < dump
# ip a s x
2: x: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
link/ether c2:72:d1:7b:ac:26 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet6 ::2/128 scope global tentative
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 ::3/128 scope global tentative
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
So scripts using this are anyway broken (well, they would get the order
right on every other save/restore, which makes the breakage even more
subtle).
--
Stefano
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-29 9:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-21 13:53 Problem with IPv6 privacy addresses in 7.0 Chris Adams
2026-05-27 0:57 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-05-27 1:06 ` Chris Adams
2026-05-27 1:31 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-05-27 21:13 ` Chris Adams
2026-05-27 21:16 ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-27 21:51 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-05-27 21:51 ` Chris Adams
2026-05-27 21:59 ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-27 23:07 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-05-28 5:38 ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 10:46 ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-28 11:12 ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 11:29 ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-28 12:29 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2026-05-28 13:32 ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 14:02 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2026-05-28 14:15 ` Íñigo Huguet
2026-05-28 14:53 ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 15:24 ` Íñigo Huguet
2026-05-28 16:01 ` Beniamino Galvani
2026-05-28 17:21 ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 18:42 ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-28 18:50 ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-05-28 19:22 ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-29 4:47 ` David Gibson
2026-05-29 8:40 ` Beniamino Galvani
2026-05-29 17:40 ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-28 14:34 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-05-28 15:17 ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-29 4:48 ` David Gibson
2026-05-29 9:42 ` Stefano Brivio [this message]
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-05-29 18:28 Tj
2026-05-29 20:04 ` Stefano Brivio
2026-05-29 20:18 ` Tj
2026-06-01 8:08 ` Stefano Brivio
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