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From: Jing Wu <realwujing@gmail.com>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Cc: Jing Wu <realwujing@gmail.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Qiliang Yuan <yuanql9@chinatelecom.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH-next 00/23] cgroup/cpuset: Enable runtime update of nohz_full and managed_irq CPUs
Date: Thu,  9 Jul 2026 10:32:20 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260709023221.634684-1-realwujing@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260702033934.984512-1-realwujing@gmail.com>

Since we offered to take the RCU/nocb piece, here is a concrete shape to
shoot at.

Constraint recap (kernel/rcu/tree_nocb.h): rcu_nocb_cpu_{offload,deoffload}()
require the CPU offline (they reject when cpu_online()) under cpus_read_lock +
nocb_mutex, and per Frederic the toggle really needs CPUHP_AP_IDLE_DEAD because
callbacks can still be enqueued before that.  Reaching IDLE_DEAD pays the
stop_machine cost that disturbs other isolated partitions.

Observation: among the kernel-noise types, only RCU needs that deep offline;
tick, managed_irq and the watchdog reconfigure through the existing online-side
callbacks.  So bundling RCU under HK_TYPE_KERNEL_NOISE makes every isolation
change pay the RCU cost.

Proposal:

  1. Split HK_TYPE_RCU out of HK_TYPE_KERNEL_NOISE into its own
     runtime-mutable type, plus an immutable HK_TYPE_RCU_BOOT snapshot.
     HK_TYPE_KERNEL_NOISE keeps tick/timer/misc/wq.

  2. Gate nocb changes behind an explicit, per-partition cpuset opt-in.
     Default off: partition changes never touch rcu_nocb_mask, so no spike is
     inflicted on other partitions.  On: the isolated CPUs join/leave the nocb
     set, paying the offline cost once at setup/teardown.  This is Waiman's
     admin-choice knob.

  3. Do the toggle inside the serialized hotplug transition at
     CPUHP_AP_IDLE_DEAD, rather than the remove_cpu() -> toggle -> add_cpu()
     dance our v3 prototype used, which raced with concurrent hotplug.

Open questions:

  - Frederic: is CPUHP_AP_IDLE_DEAD the right hook, and is a new cpuhp callback
    there acceptable versus the current post-offline API?

  - admin pre-offlines the target CPUs (your earlier suggestion) versus the
    cpuset code cycling them via Thomas's per-CPU down/up primitive?

  - does the "only RCU needs the deep offline" assumption hold for tick,
    managed_irq and the watchdog?

If this shape sounds acceptable we will build it on top of your CPU down/up
primitives.

Thanks,
Jing Wu
Qiliang Yuan

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-09  2:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-21  3:03 [PATCH-next 00/23] cgroup/cpuset: Enable runtime update of nohz_full and managed_irq CPUs Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 01/23] sched/isolation: Add HK_TYPE_KERNEL_NOISE_BOOT & HK_TYPE_MANAGED_IRQ_BOOT Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 02/23] sched/isolation: Enhance housekeeping_update() to support updating more than one HK cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:08   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-22  6:39   ` Chen Ridong
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 03/23] tick/nohz: Make nohz_full parameter optional Waiman Long
2026-04-21  8:32   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 14:14     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-24 15:57       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-04-22  3:08   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 04/23] tick/nohz: Allow runtime changes in full dynticks CPUs Waiman Long
2026-04-21  8:50   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 14:24     ` Waiman Long
2026-05-13 13:04     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-04-22  3:08   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 05/23] tick: Pass timer tick job to an online HK CPU in tick_cpu_dying() Waiman Long
2026-04-21  8:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 14:22     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 06/23] rcu/nocbs: Allow runtime changes in RCU NOCBS cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:08   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-23  2:05     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 07/23] watchdog: Sync up with runtime change of isolated CPUs Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:08   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-23  2:14     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 08/23] arm64: topology: Use RCU to protect access to HK_TYPE_TICK cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:08   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-22  9:34   ` Chen Ridong
2026-05-13 16:19   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 09/23] workqueue: Use RCU to protect access of HK_TYPE_TIMER cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 10/23] cpu: " Waiman Long
2026-04-21  8:57   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 14:25     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 11/23] hrtimer: " Waiman Long
2026-04-21  8:59   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-22  3:09   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 12/23] net: Use boot time housekeeping cpumask settings for now Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 13/23] sched/core: Use RCU to protect access of HK_TYPE_KERNEL_NOISE cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:09   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-23 14:37     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 14/23] hwmon/coretemp: Use RCU to protect access of HK_TYPE_MISC cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:09   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 15/23] Drivers: hv: Use RCU to protect access of HK_TYPE_MANAGED_IRQ cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:09   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-23 17:14     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 16/23] genirq/cpuhotplug: " Waiman Long
2026-04-21  9:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 14:29     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 17/23] sched/isolation: Extend housekeeping_dereference_check() to cover changes in nohz_full or manged_irqs cpumasks Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:09   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-23 17:30     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 18/23] cpu/hotplug: Add a new cpuhp_offline_cb() API Waiman Long
2026-04-21 16:17   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 17:29     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21 18:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-22  3:09   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 19/23] cgroup/cpuset: Improve check for calling housekeeping_update() Waiman Long
2026-04-23  1:10   ` Chen Ridong
2026-04-24 18:32     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 20/23] cgroup/cpuset: Enable runtime update of HK_TYPE_{KERNEL_NOISE,MANAGED_IRQ} cpumasks Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:09   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 21/23] cgroup/cpuset: Limit the side effect of using CPU hotplug on isolated partition Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:09   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 22/23] cgroup/cpuset: Prevent offline_disabled CPUs from being used in " Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:09   ` sashiko-bot
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 23/23] cgroup/cpuset: Documentation and kselftest updates Waiman Long
2026-04-22  3:09   ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-24  6:34 ` [PATCH-next 00/23] cgroup/cpuset: Enable runtime update of nohz_full and managed_irq CPUs Jing Wu
2026-06-25  5:27   ` Waiman Long
2026-07-01 14:22     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-01 18:56       ` Waiman Long
2026-07-02  3:39         ` Jing Wu
2026-07-09  2:32           ` Jing Wu [this message]
2026-07-03 13:19         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-02 15:00       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-07-02 23:07         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-03  6:11           ` Jing Wu
2026-07-03 17:25             ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-03 13:45         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-03 20:50           ` Thomas Gleixner

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