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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas@ndufresne.ca>
Cc: Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>,
	Derek Barbosa <debarbos@redhat.com>,
	Matthieu Baerts <matttbe@kernel.org>,
	Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	users@kernel.org,
	Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stephen Finucane <stephenfin@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Linking Patchwork with Sashiko?
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2026 23:03:17 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260715200317.GA1824265@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8061fd3d27432ba0b42fb398d70f56fabc2ee586.camel@ndufresne.ca>

On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 03:27:46PM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> Le mercredi 15 juillet 2026 à 22:12 +0300, Laurent Pinchart a écrit :
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 02:13:12PM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> > > Le mercredi 15 juillet 2026 à 14:21 +0200, Jori Koolstra a écrit :
> > > > While there is some truly ridiculous anti-LLM brigading in some open
> > > > source projects, I feel like saying it is just another tool does not do
> > > > justice to some of the harm that is done by that industry. Also,
> > > > precisely because of the usefulness of LLMs, I worry about creating an
> > > > uneven playing field, where new contributors can't keep up if they can't
> > > > afford the needed tools (something that is not as much the case with
> > > > compilers.)
> > > 
> > > So "fairness" is likely one of the numerous ethical concerns that can drive
> > > activist against LLM (in the sense of people actively avoiding it, boycotting
> > > for the real extreme one, but I want to include mild cases too) in contrast to
> > > luddite, that just don't accept the technology to provide any meaningful result.
> > > I'm personally interested in learning more about each and every ethical
> > > concerns, as this is needed to either fixi or mitigate the social issues this
> > > technology is creating.
> > > 
> > > On this aspect specifically, Sashiko is provided equally to the Linux community.
> > > This is very unlike coding agent, which capabilities and performance are highly
> > > tailored to your capability to pay. In that sense, fairness is minimally
> > > mitigated. I say mitigated considering someone have to pay for the compute and
> > > because its currently running off proprietary owned models, also require paying
> > > for extra royalties (which is an interesting ethical discussion in itself I
> > > suppose). Smaller projects may not have that level of donation or budget.
> > 
> > Or will to pay money to companies with dubious ethics (a strong
> > understatement).
> 
> Though, let's accept to cut this sub-thread here,

Sure.

> since we got off the
> "technical merit", meaning we are off-topic now.

I haven't argued much, if at all, about the technical merit in this mail
thread though.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-15 20:03 UTC|newest]

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2026-05-30  8:30         ` Linking Patchwork with Sashiko? Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 15:57           ` Roman Gushchin
2026-05-30 18:00             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 18:49               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 18:53                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 15:51                   ` Derek Barbosa
2026-06-02 16:51                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 18:39                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-02 20:29                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 20:13                     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-02 20:39                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 20:44                         ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-02 23:50                         ` Matthieu Baerts
2026-06-03  3:35                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-03  3:49                             ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-04  6:52                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-07 17:56                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-30 20:32                               ` Derek Barbosa
2026-07-10  5:45                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-10  6:39                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-11  1:01                                     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-13  7:55                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-13  9:41                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-13 20:04                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-14 22:55                                             ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15  0:59                                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15  2:00                                                 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15  3:06                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 12:21                                                     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-15 16:50                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-15 18:13                                                       ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-15 19:12                                                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:27                                                           ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-15 20:03                                                             ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2026-07-15 16:43                                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15  7:59                                                   ` Jacopo Mondi
2026-07-15  8:40                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 17:31                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15 12:38                                                   ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 16:28                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 21:08                                                     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15  3:54                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15  7:13                                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 12:42                                                     ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 16:18                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:53                                                         ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 17:09                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:11                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 17:00                                                     ` Jan Kara
2026-07-15 20:28                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 20:36                                                         ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 20:42                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 17:14                                                     ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15 17:35                                                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-07-15 17:41                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 18:18                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 18:51                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:14                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 20:13                                                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:28                                                 ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 16:39                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 17:12                                                     ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 17:35                                                       ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 18:39                                                         ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 20:32                                                           ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 19:06                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 21:13                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15 17:41                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-15 19:10                                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:55                                                         ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 19:38                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-07-15 21:27 voste62ocr

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