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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Sabrina Dubroca <sd@queasysnail.net>
Cc: Chuck Lever <cel@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>,
	Olga Kornievskaia <okorniev@redhat.com>,
	Dai Ngo <Dai.Ngo@oracle.com>, Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, kernel-tls-handshake@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 2/6] net: Introduce read_sock_rectype proto_ops for control record delivery
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2026 14:35:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260730143556.4a8463fd@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <amtcwSO24GGq_qd0@krikkit>

On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 16:16:33 +0200 Sabrina Dubroca wrote:
> 2026-07-29, 16:31:42 -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 22:51:30 -0400 Chuck Lever wrote:  
> > > No-one is asking you to roll over. Review means you get to steer
> > > us in the right direction, and I promise to do the leg work. Terse
> > > rejection doesn’t move the discussion forward. It stops it cold.  
> > 
> > With LLMs tho, the entire human effort is in finding the right design,
> > rather than the code. So asking maintainers to hand hold everyone thru
> > their features is unrealistic.
> > 
> > Off the top of my head I think a setsockopt which pre-seeds the content
> > type so that the read returns an errno if the queued content type is
> > different could be a simple fix. You'd configure that on your sockets
> > to DATA and once you see a EWHATEVER you'd assume that some special
> > record arrived and the socket has to be handed back over to the TLS
> > control path. This is literally the first thing that comes to mind,
> > IDK how ugly it will look in reality so no promises.  
> 
> But then you're back to "read_sock stopped, caller has to take some
> special action to handle the next bit of payload". It's not better
> than "read_sock, and do a recvmsg when read_sock says it's not DATA".

My bad, I replied without looking at the code.
We already constrain control records in the way I proposed.
rcvmsg (w/o cmsg) and read_sock will error out if the next
record is control.

I guess I don't understand what Chuck meant when he said that
he has control data leaking into page cache ;/

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-30 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-20 14:27 [PATCH net-next v2 0/6] Deliver TLS control records to kernel read_sock consumers Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/6] net/tls: Bound consecutive no-data records in tls_sw_read_sock() Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:11   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-23 13:24     ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-23 14:23       ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-23 14:29         ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-23 22:05           ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-29  1:47   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  3:17     ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/6] net: Introduce read_sock_rectype proto_ops for control record delivery Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:14   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-29  1:51   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  1:57     ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29  2:30       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  2:51         ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29 12:23           ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-29 13:13             ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29 23:31           ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-30 14:16             ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-30 21:35               ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2026-07-30 23:09                 ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-30 23:34                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-30 23:40                     ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-31  0:12                 ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/6] tls: Implement read_sock_rectype for kTLS software path Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:14   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 4/6] selftests/tls: Add tests for data/control record interleaving Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 5/6] SUNRPC: Use read_sock_rectype for svcsock TCP receives Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:28 ` [PATCH net-next v2 6/6] SUNRPC: Remove sock_recvmsg path from " Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:19 ` [PATCH net-next v2 0/6] Deliver TLS control records to kernel read_sock consumers Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-29  1:43 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  1:46   ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29  1:55     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  2:16       ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29  2:24         ` Jakub Kicinski

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