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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@kernel.org>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes" <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	"Vlastimil Babka" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	"Mike Rapoport" <rppt@kernel.org>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	"Clark Williams" <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Simona Vetter" <simona.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	"Sean Christopherson" <seanjc@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/mmu_notifier: Remove non_block_start/end() from notifier invocation
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2026 10:55:37 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260811135537.GC544626@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a247c49dd61af1df7ddc4dcb1cccbcb36b04d9d5.camel@infradead.org>

On Tue, Aug 11, 2026 at 09:58:44AM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> As Michal Hocko put it when the
> annotation was first proposed (quoted in commit 312364f3534c
> ("kernel.h: Add non_block_start/end()")), the OOM reaper "shouldn't
> depend on any locks or sleepable conditionals" and checking for
> sleepable context was "the best thing we could come up with that would
> describe these demands at least partially". 

Sure, but we translated this into the notifier must run in an atomic
context and everyone has been happy with this.

> That distinction now matters in both directions:
> 
>  - On PREEMPT_RT, spinning locks become sleeping locks, and perfectly
>    legitimate spinlock/rwlock usage in notifier implementations (e.g.
>    KVM's mn_invalidate_lock and gfn_to_pfn_cache locks) triggers the
>    splat despite having no allocator dependency whatsoever. This is
>    reproducible today on a PREEMPT_RT kernel: KVM takes
>    kvm->mn_invalidate_lock in kvm_mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_start(),
>    and if the OOM reaper reaps a KVM process the result is a "BUG:
>    sleeping function called from invalid context" from
>    rt_spin_lock().

I don't know anything about PREEEMPT_RT, but this seems like an issue
with RT if a traditionally atomic safe functions are now triggering
might sleep failures?

>  - A notifier implementation may legitimately need to wait for an RCU
>    grace period before allowing the caller to proceed with unmapping

That's not allowed. We really want to forbid that, it is not an
acceptable way to implement a driver using these APIs due to
performance.

Maybe change this to #ifdef it around PREEMPT_RT.

Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-11 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-11  8:58 [PATCH] mm/mmu_notifier: Remove non_block_start/end() from notifier invocation David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 13:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-08-11 14:21   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 14:27     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 14:33       ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 14:42         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-11 15:24           ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 15:30             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 15:29         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 15:15       ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 15:24         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 15:29           ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 16:24             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 17:22               ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 17:26                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 17:59                   ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 18:19                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-11 20:06                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-11 20:21                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-08-11 21:14                           ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 22:58                             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-11 23:50                               ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 20:29                         ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-11 15:12 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)

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