* ee1004: DDR4 SPD cannot be read, decode-dimms fails, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)”
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@ 2026-08-25 0:31 ` Al Ma
2026-08-30 11:07 ` Jean Delvare
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From: Al Ma @ 2026-08-25 0:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 1110749; +Cc: linux-i2c, Jean Delvare
Control: found 1110749 6.12.101
Control: retitle 1110749 ee1004: DDR4 SPD cannot be read, decode-dimms fails, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)”
Control: X-Debbugs-CC: linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, jdelvare@suse.de
thanks
Now tested with two equal 32 GB RDIMMs Samsung M393A4K40CB2-CVF installed in DIMM_A1 and DIMM_C1 on ASUS WS C422 PRO/SE with BIOS 4801 with kernel 6.12.101+deb13-amd64. The SPD EEPROM is detected and the ee1004 driver is bound to it, but the driver's attempt to select page 0 fails with -ENXIO. Consequently, the driver's sysfs eeprom attribute cannot be read, and decode-dimms fails. Here is the excerpt from boot time:
[ 8.550652] ipmi_si: Trying ACPI-specified kcs state machine at i/o address 0xca2, slave address 0x20, irq 0
[ 8.596883] input: PC Speaker as /devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input5
[ 8.608418] ee1004 0-0056: Failed to select page 0 (-6)
[ 8.608532] ee1004 0-0056: 512 byte EE1004-compliant SPD EEPROM, read-only
[ 8.774836] videodev: Linux video capture interface: v2.00
# decode-dimms
Cannot read /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/ee1004/0-0056/eeprom at /usr/bin/decode-dimms line 2455.
The SPD device is instantiated at 0x56:
# dmesg | grep "i2c"| head -1
[ 3.138736] i2c i2c-0: Successfully instantiated SPD at 0x56
The device at 0x56 is claimed by ee1004 (“UU” below):
# i2cdetect -y 0
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f
00: 08 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
10: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
20: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
30: -- -- -- -- -- -- UU UU -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
40: -- -- -- -- 44 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
50: -- -- -- -- -- -- UU -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
60: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
70: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Direct access to the page-selection addresses 0x36/0x37 fails:
# i2cget -f -y 0 0x36
Error: Read failed
# i2cget -f -y 0 0x37
Error: Read failed
i2cdump returns 0xff for every byte, although the device is claimed by ee1004:
# i2cdump -f -y 0 0x56
No size specified (using byte-data access)
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f 0123456789abcdef
00: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
10: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
20: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
30: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
40: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
50: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
60: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
70: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
80: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
90: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
a0: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
b0: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
c0: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
d0: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
e0: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
f0: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ................
Could this be related to the way ee1004 attempts to select the SPD page on this particular I2C adapter/controller? In particular, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)” appears to occur before the actual SPD contents can be read.
The SMBus adapter is as follows:
# readlink -f /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-0
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.4/i2c-0
# lspci -nn -s 00:1f.4
00:1f.4 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation 200 Series/Z370 Chipset Family SMBus Controller [8086:a2a3]
Gratefully,
Alma
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* Re: ee1004: DDR4 SPD cannot be read, decode-dimms fails, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)”
2026-08-25 0:31 ` ee1004: DDR4 SPD cannot be read, decode-dimms fails, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)” Al Ma
@ 2026-08-30 11:07 ` Jean Delvare
2026-08-30 15:35 ` Al Ma
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jean Delvare @ 2026-08-30 11:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Al Ma, 1110749; +Cc: linux-i2c
Hi Alma,
On Tue, 2026-08-25 at 02:31 +0200, Al Ma wrote:
> Control: found 1110749 6.12.101
> Control: retitle 1110749 ee1004: DDR4 SPD cannot be read, decode-dimms fails, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)”
> Control: X-Debbugs-CC: linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org, jdelvare@suse.de
> thanks
>
>
> Now tested with two equal 32 GB RDIMMs Samsung M393A4K40CB2-CVF installed in DIMM_A1 and DIMM_C1 on ASUS WS C422 PRO/SE with BIOS 4801 with kernel 6.12.101+deb13-amd64. The SPD EEPROM is detected and the ee1004 driver is bound to it, but the driver's attempt to select page 0 fails with -ENXIO. Consequently, the driver's sysfs eeprom attribute cannot be read, and decode-dimms fails. Here is the excerpt from boot time:
>
> [ 8.550652] ipmi_si: Trying ACPI-specified kcs state machine at i/o address 0xca2, slave address 0x20, irq 0
> [ 8.596883] input: PC Speaker as /devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input5
> [ 8.608418] ee1004 0-0056: Failed to select page 0 (-6)
> [ 8.608532] ee1004 0-0056: 512 byte EE1004-compliant SPD EEPROM, read-only
> [ 8.774836] videodev: Linux video capture interface: v2.00
>
> # decode-dimms
> Cannot read /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/ee1004/0-0056/eeprom at /usr/bin/decode-dimms line 2455.
>
> The SPD device is instantiated at 0x56:
>
> # dmesg | grep "i2c"| head -1
> [ 3.138736] i2c i2c-0: Successfully instantiated SPD at 0x56
>
>
> The device at 0x56 is claimed by ee1004 (“UU” below):
>
> # i2cdetect -y 0
> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f
> 00: 08 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 10: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 20: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 30: -- -- -- -- -- -- UU UU -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 40: -- -- -- -- 44 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 50: -- -- -- -- -- -- UU -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 60: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 70: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
It is unusual for the EEPROM to live at address 0x56. The valid address
range is 0x50-0x57 but they are usually populated in order, so if you
installed your memory modules following the recommended order, they
would show at 0x50 and either 0x51, 0x52 or 0x54.
I see that your motherboard has 8 memory slots, so it is possible that
the whole address range is used, however, considering that you
installed 2 memory sticks and only one address in the range responded
to the probe, I am reasonably certain that the device at address 0x56
is NOT your memory's SPD EEPROM.
I have some SMBus development experience with Asus server boards and my
bet is that the SPD EEPROMs are not connected directly, but instead are
behind an I2C multiplexer. The first set of memory modules would be on
a first segment behind the multiplexer, at addresses 0x50-0x53, and the
other set of memory modules would be on a second segment behind the
multiplexer, also at addresses 0x50-0x53.
> Direct access to the page-selection addresses 0x36/0x37 fails:
>
> # i2cget -f -y 0 0x36
> Error: Read failed
> # i2cget -f -y 0 0x37
> Error: Read failed
>
> (...)
> Could this be related to the way ee1004 attempts to select the SPD
> page on this particular I2C adapter/controller? In particular,
> “Failed to select page 0 (-6)” appears to occur before the actual
> SPD contents can be read.
I believe this is an incorrect detection and the ee1004 driver should
not bind to address 0x56 on i2c-0 in the first place.
Please try unloading the ee1004 driver, then running i2cdetect again.
If addresses 0x36 and 0x37 do not show on the map, this would confirm
my theory.
--
Jean Delvare
SUSE L3 Support
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* Re: ee1004: DDR4 SPD cannot be read, decode-dimms fails, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)”
2026-08-30 11:07 ` Jean Delvare
@ 2026-08-30 15:35 ` Al Ma
2026-09-11 11:56 ` Jean Delvare
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Al Ma @ 2026-08-30 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jean Delvare, 1110749; +Cc: linux-i2c
> if you installed your memory modules following the recommended order
According to page 1-5 of my motherboard manual, dated 2019-10-28, the slots DIMM_A1 and DIMM_C1 should be used when installing two modules (and indeed, they are used as per `dmidecode -t memory` and from what I recall).
> Please try unloading the ee1004 driver, then running i2cdetect again.
Here we go:
# modprobe -r ee1004 && i2cdetect -y 0 && modprobe ee1004
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f
00: 08 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
10: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
20: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
30: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
40: -- -- -- -- 44 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
50: -- -- -- -- -- -- 56 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
60: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
70: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
What next?
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* Re: ee1004: DDR4 SPD cannot be read, decode-dimms fails, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)”
2026-08-30 15:35 ` Al Ma
@ 2026-09-11 11:56 ` Jean Delvare
2026-09-11 20:33 ` Al Ma
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jean Delvare @ 2026-09-11 11:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Al Ma; +Cc: 1110749, linux-i2c
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 17:35:57 +0200, Al Ma wrote:
> > Please try unloading the ee1004 driver, then running i2cdetect again.
>
> Here we go:
>
> # modprobe -r ee1004 && i2cdetect -y 0 && modprobe ee1004
> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f
> 00: 08 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 10: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 20: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 30: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 40: -- -- -- -- 44 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 50: -- -- -- -- -- -- 56 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 60: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> 70: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>
> What next?
This confirms my guess that the device at 0x56 is not an SPD EEPROM.
Next steps would be as follows:
* Short term, you want to blacklist the ee1004 driver on your system.
It is not a good idea to load a driver which binds to the wrong
device.
* Still short term, we should look into the ee1004 auto-detection logic
and see it it can be made more reliable.
* Mid term, we may want to add a kernel option to disable automatic
probing of SPD EEPROMs. I seem to recall some proposals but it looks
like they never made it into the upstream kernel. I'm not sure if
this should be a system-wide switch (handled by the i2c core) or a
per-driver setting (e.g. a new flag in i2c-i801's disable_features
parameter).
* Still mid term, we probably want to blacklist SPD probing explicitly
for your motherboard (we'll need to know the contents of
/sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/board_vendor and
/sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/board_name on your system). Maybe this
can be implemented as an empty entry in mux_dmi_table (as in, we know
the board requires multiplexing, but we don't know yet to implement
it on that board).
* Long term, we need the hardware vendor to provide technical
information about the board so that we can implement SMBus
multiplexing support in the i2c-i801 driver (if that's really how
things are implemented on your board - that's only a guess from me at
this point). Asus provided information about their Z8 series long ago
and I was able to add support for it back then. It would be wonderful
if they could provide similar information about the WS C422 PRO/SE so
that a kernel developer can add support.
--
Jean Delvare
SUSE L3 Support
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* Re: ee1004: DDR4 SPD cannot be read, decode-dimms fails, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)”
2026-09-11 11:56 ` Jean Delvare
@ 2026-09-11 20:33 ` Al Ma
2026-09-23 14:06 ` Bug#1110749: " Uwe Kleine-König
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Al Ma @ 2026-09-11 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jean Delvare; +Cc: 1110749, linux-i2c
Awesome!
Below, I'll comment on whatever I can meaningfully comment.
> * Short term, you want to blacklist the ee1004 driver on your system.
> It is not a good idea to load a driver which binds to the wrong
> device.
Here we go, following https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting:
$ echo "blacklist ee1004" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/ee1004.conf
blacklist ee1004
$ sudo depmod -ae
depmod: WARNING: -e needs -E or -F
$ sudo update-initramfs -u
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.12.107+deb13-amd64
Can the above warning be ignored?
> * Still mid term, we probably want to blacklist SPD probing explicitly
> for your motherboard (we'll need to know the contents of
> /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/board_vendor and
> /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/board_name on your system). Maybe this
> can be implemented as an empty entry in mux_dmi_table (as in, we know
> the board requires multiplexing, but we don't know yet to implement
> it on that board).
Here we go:
$ cat /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/board_vendor
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
$ cat /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/board_name
WS C422 PRO_SE
> * Long term, we need the hardware vendor to provide technical
> information about the board so that we can implement SMBus
> multiplexing support in the i2c-i801 driver (if that's really how
> things are implemented on your board - that's only a guess from me at
> this point). Asus provided information about their Z8 series long ago
> and I was able to add support for it back then. It would be wonderful
> if they could provide similar information about the WS C422 PRO/SE so
> that a kernel developer can add support.
>
The user manuals for the board lie at https://www.asus.com/de/motherboards-components/motherboards/workstation/ws-c422-pro-se/helpdesk_manual?model2Name=WS-C422-PRO-SE .
As for anything deeper, it would be better if you, as a developer, contacted them directly. (In fact, the last time I actually succeeded in issuing a ticket was a long time ago, before the warranty ran out.) An ASUS support contact form lies at https://www.asus.com/support/product/contactus/services/questionform .
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* Re: Bug#1110749: ee1004: DDR4 SPD cannot be read, decode-dimms fails, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)”
2026-09-11 20:33 ` Al Ma
@ 2026-09-23 14:06 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2026-09-26 13:59 ` Al Ma
2026-09-26 14:04 ` Typo correction: " Al Ma
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From: Uwe Kleine-König @ 2026-09-23 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Al Ma, 1110749; +Cc: Jean Delvare, linux-i2c
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2026 at 10:33:07PM +0200, Al Ma wrote:
> Awesome!
>
> Below, I'll comment on whatever I can meaningfully comment.
>
> > * Short term, you want to blacklist the ee1004 driver on your system.
> > It is not a good idea to load a driver which binds to the wrong
> > device.
>
> Here we go, following https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting:
>
> $ echo "blacklist ee1004" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/ee1004.conf
> blacklist ee1004
> $ sudo depmod -ae
> depmod: WARNING: -e needs -E or -F
> $ sudo update-initramfs -u
> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.12.107+deb13-amd64
>
> Can the above warning be ignored?
I think yes. AFAIK that depmod step isn't needed and the wiki should be
fixed.
Does that help?
> > * Still mid term, we probably want to blacklist SPD probing explicitly
> > for your motherboard (we'll need to know the contents of
> > /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/board_vendor and
> > /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/board_name on your system). Maybe this
> > can be implemented as an empty entry in mux_dmi_table (as in, we know
> > the board requires multiplexing, but we don't know yet to implement
> > it on that board).
>
> Here we go:
>
> $ cat /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/board_vendor
> ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
> $ cat /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/board_name
> WS C422 PRO_SE
If the above is confirmed to help, I think we have everything to
implement a quirk with the same effect as blacklisting manually.
Best regards
Uwe
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* Re: Bug#1110749: ee1004: DDR4 SPD cannot be read, decode-dimms fails, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)”
2026-09-23 14:06 ` Bug#1110749: " Uwe Kleine-König
@ 2026-09-26 13:59 ` Al Ma
2026-09-26 14:04 ` Typo correction: " Al Ma
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Al Ma @ 2026-09-26 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Uwe Kleine-König, 1110749; +Cc: Jean Delvare, linux-i2c
>> $ echo "blacklist ee1004" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/ee1004.conf
>> blacklist ee1004
>> $ sudo depmod -ae
>> depmod: WARNING: -e needs -E or -F
>> $ sudo update-initramfs -u
>> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.12.107+deb13-amd64
>>
>> Can the above warning be ignored?
>
> I think yes. AFAIK that depmod step isn't needed and the wiki should be
> fixed.
>
> Does that help?
>
Here we go (after many reboots):
$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/ee1004.conf
blacklist ee1004
$ lsmod | grep ee1004
$ sudo dmesg | egrep "i2c|ee1004"
$ sudo decode-dimms
No EEPROM found, try loading the eeprom, at24 or or ee1004 module
$ sudo i2cdetect -y 0
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f
00: 08 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
10: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
20: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
30: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
40: -- -- -- -- 44 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
50: -- -- -- -- -- -- 56 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
60: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
70: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
$
It helps in the sense that the error messages are gone. Is doesn't help in the sense that I still don't know how to programmatically read SPD-EEPROM of the modules installed on my system.
Alma
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* Typo correction: Re: Bug#1110749: ee1004: DDR4 SPD cannot be read, decode-dimms fails, “Failed to select page 0 (-6)”
2026-09-23 14:06 ` Bug#1110749: " Uwe Kleine-König
2026-09-26 13:59 ` Al Ma
@ 2026-09-26 14:04 ` Al Ma
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Al Ma @ 2026-09-26 14:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Uwe Kleine-König, 1110749; +Cc: Jean Delvare, linux-i2c
>> $ echo "blacklist ee1004" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/ee1004.conf
>> blacklist ee1004
>> $ sudo depmod -ae
>> depmod: WARNING: -e needs -E or -F
>> $ sudo update-initramfs -u
>> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.12.107+deb13-amd64
>>
>> Can the above warning be ignored?
>
> I think yes. AFAIK that depmod step isn't needed and the wiki should be
> fixed.
>
> Does that help?
>
Here we go (after many reboots):
$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/ee1004.conf
blacklist ee1004
$ lsmod | grep ee1004
$ sudo dmesg | egrep "i2c|ee1004"
$ sudo decode-dimms
No EEPROM found, try loading the eeprom, at24 or or ee1004 module
$ sudo i2cdetect -y 0
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f
00: 08 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
10: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
20: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
30: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
40: -- -- -- -- 44 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
50: -- -- -- -- -- -- 56 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
60: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
70: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
$
It helps in the sense that the error message “ee1004 0-0056: Failed to select page 0 (-6)” is gone. It doesn't help in the sense that I still don't know how to programmatically read SPD-EEPROM of the modules installed on my system.
Alma
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