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From: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
To: Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
	Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v6 2/8] ipc, msg: Account msg_msg allocations with GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT again
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2026 20:18:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202610092014.AAB20B81@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ask5kpMS4mpI8Api@thinkpad>

On Fri, Oct 09, 2026 at 09:39:48PM +0200, Harry Yoo wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 09, 2026 at 04:22:03PM +0200, Harry Yoo wrote:
> > And now I see the initial kmem_buckets design did not sufficiently
> > tackle the question "How this should work when kmem_buckets falls back
> > to kmalloc?"
> > 
> > I suppose the kmem_buckets' abstraction should not be too tightly
> > coupled with kmalloc caches. Creating a kmem_buckets should be
> > conceptually equivalent to creating a set of caches with speicifc
> > slab flags, size, align, useroffset/size. (for variable size allocation).
> 
> Just to clarify... I have a few concerns on this area.
> 
> 1. Complexity.
> 
> It's very counter-intuitive to understand how it works when
> SLAB_BUCKETS is not compiled. My brain cannot easily process two
> different implementations w/ and w/o SLAB_BUCKETS.
> 
> A "compatibility layer" allows us to assume certain expectations
> and ignore all implementation details when SLAB_BUCKETS is not compiled.

I'd rather make kmem_buckets not have a SLAB_BUCKETS option. :)

> 2. Making kmem_buckets tightly coupled with kmalloc's implementation
>    details is not reasonable.
> 
> Let's say, at some point we make SLAB_BUCKETS always enabled and drop
> the config option. Then all kmem_buckets users will now have certain
> assumptions inherted from kmalloc (e.g. alignment), which is not
> reasonable.

Until it's always enabled, I don't see a reasonable way to separate
those assumptions.

> 3. __GFP_ACCOUNT and __GFP_DMA should be applied to all allocations
> in the slab cache. For kmalloc, these flags are only used to select
> the kmalloc cache (which has equivalent SLAB_* flags for __GFP_ACCOUNT
> or __GFP_DMA) to serve the allocation.
> 
> Specifying it on individual allocations (rather than as SLAB_ flags)
> makes it easy to break the assumption.

As in, you don't want a "pass-through" mode for __GFP_DMA?

It's a lot of overhead for __GFP_DMA to have multiple providers, so I'd
rather allow kmem_buckets to allow pass-through (perhaps explicitly
opt-in) where then the other options (e.g. alignment) must match the
general kmalloc caches so that pass-through is consistent.

> > When it falls back to kmalloc, kmem_buckets itself should provide a
> > compatibility layer when falling back to kmalloc.
> 
> For example, calculate_sizes() converts certain SLAB_* flags into
> GFP flags (s->allocflags) for allocation. We can have a similar
> logic when falling back to kmalloc.
> 
> Though current implementation does not allow this and requires
> some rework.

I think the current series does everything correctly in the sense that
nothing is allowing for mismatched fallbacks/passthrus. We could iterate
from there once we have a need for this where a non-kmalloc-alignment is
wanted, etc?

-- 
Kees Cook


  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-10  3:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-06  9:20 [PATCH net-next v6 0/8] net: skb: isolate skb data area allocations into a separate bucket Kees Cook
2026-10-06  9:20 ` [PATCH net-next v6 1/8] mm/slab: Mark the kmem_buckets_create() context as a Context: section Kees Cook
2026-10-12 16:55   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-10-06  9:20 ` [PATCH net-next v6 2/8] ipc, msg: Account msg_msg allocations with GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT again Kees Cook
2026-10-09 14:22   ` Harry Yoo
2026-10-09 19:39     ` Harry Yoo
2026-10-10  3:18       ` Kees Cook [this message]
2026-10-12 21:05         ` Harry Yoo
2026-10-12 21:19         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-10-13  8:52           ` Kees Cook
2026-10-13  9:48             ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-10-10  3:14     ` Kees Cook
2026-10-10 22:37       ` Andrew Morton
2026-10-12 16:46         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-10-13  3:40           ` Kees Cook
2026-10-12 17:55   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-10-12 21:03     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-10-13  3:46       ` Kees Cook
2026-10-06  9:20 ` [PATCH net-next v6 3/8] mm/slab: Drop the ctor and flags arguments from kmem_buckets_create() Kees Cook
2026-10-06  9:20 ` [PATCH net-next v6 4/8] mm/slab: Give bucket caches the alignment of the caches they mirror Kees Cook
2026-10-06  9:20 ` [PATCH net-next v6 5/8] mm/slab: Add kmem_buckets_destroy() Kees Cook
2026-10-06  9:20 ` [PATCH net-next v6 6/8] mm/slab: Add tests for the existing kmem_buckets behaviour Kees Cook
2026-10-06  9:20 ` [PATCH net-next v6 7/8] mm/slab: Provide kmalloc type fallback for bucket allocations Kees Cook
2026-10-06  9:20 ` [PATCH net-next v6 8/8] net: skb: isolate skb data area allocations into a separate bucket Kees Cook
2026-10-08 21:25 ` [PATCH net-next v6 0/8] " Harry Yoo
2026-10-09  6:36   ` Kees Cook
2026-10-09  7:02   ` Vlastimil Babka

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