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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2026 09:55:20 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261020125520.GN14213@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <atdeH3nA_gkLwPLM@FV6GYCPJ69>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2026 at 02:28:55PM +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Tue, Oct 20, 2026 at 01:29:45AM +0200, jgg@nvidia.com wrote:
> >> [ ... 238 lines skipped ... ]
> >> --- /dev/null
> >> +++ b/Documentation/ctlv/families.yaml
> >> @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@
> >> +# SPDX-License-Identifier: ((GPL-2.0 WITH Linux-syscall-note) OR BSD-3-Clause)
> >> +%YAML 1.2
> >> +---
> >> +# Append-only registry of CTLV family names, indexed by family ID: the entry at
> >> +# index N has family ID N, up to 65535. The root family owns ID 0 and heads the
> >> +# list, and every other entry comes after the entry of the family it inherits.
> >> +# An entry may be marked deprecated, but never reordered, removed, renamed or
> >> +# reused, its position being its wire identity. Every entry must have a
> >> +# specification in specs/<name>.yaml, and is added by the change that adds the
> >> +# implementation. Fixtures under tools/ctlv/tests/ are not registered.
> >> +
> >> +families:
> >> +  - ctlv
> >
> >I see where you are coming from with this, but it is going to be
> >problematic from a global kernel perspective. Given CTLV is imagined
> >as a general tool for any subsystem we cannot control the tree that
> >things merge through. It will not be like netdev where there is one
> >authoritative tree with a linear history.
> >
> >So if Bob and Jane maintainers both add their own subsystems by the
> >time it gets to Linus the IDs will get scrambled, and bisection will
> >be lost. 
> >
> >Either changes to this file must be strictly done in a single tree
> >with shared branches (which is going to be a bit hard process wise)
> >
> >Or we need to put the ID #s here and have some simple process to
> >coordinate them during the development process. Since new families are
> >probably rare it shouldn't be a big deal
> 
> Exactly. Collision is not very likely. Explicit ID or implicit, scramble
> would still happen. And in that case it is resolvable.

I think because of process if it is kept like this we will have to
merge 'dead code' to reserve spots for people doing new work..

But at a minimum this comment above needs a big fat warning not to
change this file without consulting with XYZ to coordinate merging.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-20 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-15 14:50 [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 01/20] ctlv: Add the schema language and generator Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:58   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:26     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:28     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 12:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-10-20 14:07         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:06     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:06   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:14   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:14   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:22   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:28   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:20   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/20] attestation: Add the base family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/20] attestation: Prepare provider and instance core Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:30   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 16/20] attestation: Prepare measurement register journal Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:33   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 18/20] tdx-guest: Expose the native attestation service API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:40   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 19/20] attestation: Add the TDX family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 20/20] attestation: Add the TDX family implementation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 15:40   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-16 23:43 ` [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 18:16   ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-17 19:06     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:22         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 21:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:34     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 23:10         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-18 23:53           ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 12:08             ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 16:10               ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 22:56                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20  9:26                 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 13:45                 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 14:06                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 15:22                     ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 16:11                       ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-19 12:40             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-19 23:11             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:49       ` James Bottomley
2026-10-20 13:13         ` Jason Gunthorpe

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