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From: "Günther Noack" <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
To: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] man/man7/unix.7: SCM_SECURITY: Generalize to other LSMs, not just SELinux
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2026 07:19:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261028.e5b1e67d24b5@gnoack.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <auEr3XGMrHXiVZjs@devuan>

Hello Alejandro!

On Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 11:59:15PM +0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> > Date: 2026-10-27 23:30:59+0100
> > From: Günther Noack <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2026 at 10:46:14PM +0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> > > > Date: 2026-10-27 09:54:51+0100
> > > > From: Günther Noack <gnoack3000@gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2026 at 11:41:13PM +0100, Günther Noack wrote:
> > > > > I'm still leaning towards documenting it as a buffer with
> > > > > implementation-defined contents which are provided by a LSM.  How
> > > > > these buffer contents are interpreted is depending on the LSM in use
> > > > > anyway.
> > > > 
> > > > To make a more concrete and constructive wording proposal:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > SCM_SECURITY
> > > > 
> > > >   Receive the security context (the security label) of the peer
> > > >   socket, as provided by the active Linux Security Module (LSM).  The
> > > >   received ancillary data is a byte buffer.
> > > > 
> > > >   The exact format of the security context buffer is defined by the
> > > >   active major LSM.  For example, SELinux returns a SELinux label as a
> > > >   string (including a terminating null byte).
> > > 
> > > Let's pause the discussion of the specific text for now.
> > > 
> > > I have questions about the exact format used by each LSM.  For example,
> > > you say that SELinux guarantees a string.  Does it count the '\0' as
> > > part of the data size?  Or is it guaranteed to exist but not counted?
> > > 
> > > Same question for the other LSMs.
> > 
> > Yes, SELinux counts the '\0' as part of the buffer size for the
> > SCM_SECURITY security context.
> 
> Ok.
> 
> > 
> > Examples:
> > * If the label is "foo", it'll return {'f', 'o', 'o', '\0'} with payload size 4.
> > * If the reader calls recvmsg() but preallocates too little space in
> >   the msg_control buffer, this can get truncated though, and then it
> >   won't end with '\0':
> >   {'e', 'x', 'a', 'm', 'p'} with payload size 5 (truncated)
> 
> Ouch!  So, no string guarantees here either, actually.

Correct.  Callers have to deal with the possibility of truncation,
which strips away the null byte.


> > Other LSMs:
> > 
> > * Smack excludes the null byte for SCM_SECURITY (smack_to_secctx())
> >   (but irritatingly it does count the null byte when a label is
> >   returned through SO_PEERSEC (smack_socket_getpeersec_stream()).
> >   Both functions are in security/smack/smack_lsm.c.
> 
> And as we've seen, no string guarantees, IIUC.

Correct.

> > 
> > * AppArmor excludes the null byte for SCM_SECURITY as well.
> >   Implementation is in apparmor_label_to_secctx(), where it populates
> >   the struct lsm_context *cp using:
> > 
> >     len = aa_label_asxprint(&cp->context...)
> > 
> >   and then sets
> > 
> >     cp->len = len;
> > 
> >   The function aa_label_asxprint() returns the length without trailing
> >   null byte, as can be seen in its implementation.
> 
> How does it behave if there's not enough space?  Does AppArmor guarantee
> a string?

The truncation case always strips off the null byte at the end of the
buffer.  This is handled **independent of the LSM** in the common
net/core/scm.c layer one level above - it *always* kicks in when
truncation happens.

To sum it all up in a table: The only case where the null byte is
included in the buffer is in SELinux, when the generic SCM layer does
not need to do truncation:

                normal case                truncation case
  --------------------------------------------------------------
  SELinux       has trailing null byte     no trailing null byte
  AppArmor      no trailing null byte      no trailing null byte
  Smack         no trailing null byte      no trailing null byte

  (other LSMs don't have the feature at all)

–Günther

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-28  6:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-21 21:22 [PATCH 0/7] unix.7: Socket Options and SCM_* fixes Günther Noack
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 1/7] man/man7/unix.7: ERRORS: ETOOMANYREFS: Fix the conditions Günther Noack
2026-10-22 21:14   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 16:50     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-24  4:45   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 2/7] man/man7/unix.7: Multiple same-typed SCM_* messages may be sent in one message Günther Noack
2026-10-22 21:28   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 17:09     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 3/7] man/man7/unix.7: Autobind: Clarify when it happens, and mention SO_PASSPIDFD Günther Noack
2026-10-24  4:57   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-26 21:55     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  5:04       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 4/7] man/man7/unix.7: SCM_SECURITY: Generalize to other LSMs, not just SELinux Günther Noack
2026-10-23  9:57   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-23 17:57     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-23 18:13       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-26 22:41         ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  8:54           ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 21:46             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-27 22:30               ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27 22:59                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-28  6:19                   ` Günther Noack [this message]
2026-10-28 12:45                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-27 16:32           ` Casey Schaufler
2026-10-27 21:52             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 5/7] man/man7/unix.7: SO_PASSSEC: wfix Günther Noack
2026-10-24  5:02   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-24  8:36     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-10-26 22:42       ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  5:05         ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 6/7] man/man7/unix.7: Document SO_PASSPIDFD, SO_PEERPIDFD, and SCM_PIDFD Günther Noack
2026-10-24  5:22   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-26 23:02     ` Günther Noack
2026-10-27  5:06       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2026-10-21 21:22 ` [PATCH 7/7] man/man7/unix.7: Document SO_PASSRIGHTS Günther Noack

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