developing with devshell and effect of the bitbake.conf file

developing with devshell and effect of the bitbake.conf file

[Rifenbark, Scott M]

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Hi,

I want to throw this out for discussion.  I recently was looking at a section in the YP Reference manual (http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.html#platdev-appdev-devshell) where it talks about developing using devshell.  I asked Darren Hart if this was a valid development model and he says it is.  There is a part of the section though that talks about the bitbake.conf file.  That section in the conf file does not seem to exist anymore.  And, Darren (after some testing) doesn't see how what is in the bitbake.conf file affects development with devshell.  Any comments welcome.

Thanks,
ScottR

From: Scott Rifenbark [mailto:srifenbark@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:42 AM
To: Rifenbark, Scott M
Subject: Fwd: Next question regarding development practices....


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From: Darren Hart <darren.hart@intel.com<mailto:darren.hart@intel.com>>
Date: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Next question regarding development practices....
To: Scott Rifenbark <srifenbark@gmail.com<mailto:srifenbark@gmail.com>>

On 06/12/2012 11:34 AM, Scott Rifenbark wrote:
> Hi Darren,
>
> So check out section
> http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.html#platdev-appdev-devshell.
> This talks about the whole devshell model.  One thing in this section is
> not current and that is the UI/Interfaces Configuration section
> reference in bitbake.conf file.  Regarding the section though, is this
> still a valid development model?  Is it worth keeping around in the docs?
>
> As you can tell, I value your opinions greatly :)
As I understand it, this is still a perfectly valid working model.
Someone was just recommending it this week on the list.

As for the bitbake.conf file... I'm not sure. I thought this would have
been controlled by the following in local.conf.

# If you do not use (or have installed) gnome-terminal you will need to
# uncomment these variables and set them to the terminal you wish to use
# when resolving patches which cannot be applied
# Supported shell prefixes for *_TERMCMD and *_TERMCMDRUN ARE:
# GNOME, SCREEN, XTERM and SCREEN
TERMCMD = "${SCREEN_TERMCMD}"
TERMCMDRUN = "${SCREEN_TERMCMDRUN}"

But... it clearly is not after some testing. Hrm... I don't see anything
matching in bitbake.conf either. Where this has migrated off to would be
a good question for the list, hopefully someone like Paul E. can answer
this quickly.

--
Darren Hart
Intel Open Source Technology Center
Yocto Project - Linux Kernel



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developing with devshell and effect of the bitbake.conf file

[Rifenbark, Scott M]

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Hi,
I want to throw this out for discussion.  I recently was looking at a section in the YP Reference manual (http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.html#platdev-appdev-devshell) where it talks about developing using devshell.  I asked Darren Hart if this was a valid development model and he says it is.  There is a part of the section though that talks about the bitbake.conf file.  That section in the conf file does not seem to exist anymore.  And, Darren (after some testing) doesn't see how what is in the bitbake.conf file affects development with devshell.  Any comments welcome.
Thanks,
ScottR

From: Scott Rifenbark [mailto:srifenbark@gmail.com<mailto:srifenbark@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:42 AM
To: Rifenbark, Scott M
Subject: Fwd: Next question regarding development practices....


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Darren Hart <darren.hart@intel.com<mailto:darren.hart@intel.com>>
Date: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Next question regarding development practices....
To: Scott Rifenbark <srifenbark@gmail.com<mailto:srifenbark@gmail.com>>
On 06/12/2012 11:34 AM, Scott Rifenbark wrote:
> Hi Darren,
>
> So check out section
> http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.html#platdev-appdev-devshell.
> This talks about the whole devshell model.  One thing in this section is
> not current and that is the UI/Interfaces Configuration section
> reference in bitbake.conf file.  Regarding the section though, is this
> still a valid development model?  Is it worth keeping around in the docs?
>
> As you can tell, I value your opinions greatly :)
As I understand it, this is still a perfectly valid working model.
Someone was just recommending it this week on the list.

As for the bitbake.conf file... I'm not sure. I thought this would have
been controlled by the following in local.conf.

# If you do not use (or have installed) gnome-terminal you will need to
# uncomment these variables and set them to the terminal you wish to use
# when resolving patches which cannot be applied
# Supported shell prefixes for *_TERMCMD and *_TERMCMDRUN ARE:
# GNOME, SCREEN, XTERM and SCREEN
TERMCMD = "${SCREEN_TERMCMD}"
TERMCMDRUN = "${SCREEN_TERMCMDRUN}"

But... it clearly is not after some testing. Hrm... I don't see anything
matching in bitbake.conf either. Where this has migrated off to would be
a good question for the list, hopefully someone like Paul E. can answer
this quickly.

--
Darren Hart
Intel Open Source Technology Center
Yocto Project - Linux Kernel



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Re: developing with devshell and effect of the bitbake.conf file

[Stewart, David C]

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Is anybody using devshell actively who can recreate this section of bitbake.conf?

From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org [mailto:yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Rifenbark, Scott M
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:14 AM
To: Yocto discussion list
Subject: [yocto] developing with devshell and effect of the bitbake.conf file

Hi,
I want to throw this out for discussion.  I recently was looking at a section in the YP Reference manual (http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.html#platdev-appdev-devshell) where it talks about developing using devshell.  I asked Darren Hart if this was a valid development model and he says it is.  There is a part of the section though that talks about the bitbake.conf file.  That section in the conf file does not seem to exist anymore.  And, Darren (after some testing) doesn't see how what is in the bitbake.conf file affects development with devshell.  Any comments welcome.
Thanks,
ScottR

From: Scott Rifenbark [mailto:srifenbark@gmail.com<mailto:srifenbark@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:42 AM
To: Rifenbark, Scott M
Subject: Fwd: Next question regarding development practices....


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Darren Hart <darren.hart@intel.com<mailto:darren.hart@intel.com>>
Date: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Next question regarding development practices....
To: Scott Rifenbark <srifenbark@gmail.com<mailto:srifenbark@gmail.com>>
On 06/12/2012 11:34 AM, Scott Rifenbark wrote:
> Hi Darren,
>
> So check out section
> http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.html#platdev-appdev-devshell.
> This talks about the whole devshell model.  One thing in this section is
> not current and that is the UI/Interfaces Configuration section
> reference in bitbake.conf file.  Regarding the section though, is this
> still a valid development model?  Is it worth keeping around in the docs?
>
> As you can tell, I value your opinions greatly :)
As I understand it, this is still a perfectly valid working model.
Someone was just recommending it this week on the list.

As for the bitbake.conf file... I'm not sure. I thought this would have
been controlled by the following in local.conf.

# If you do not use (or have installed) gnome-terminal you will need to
# uncomment these variables and set them to the terminal you wish to use
# when resolving patches which cannot be applied
# Supported shell prefixes for *_TERMCMD and *_TERMCMDRUN ARE:
# GNOME, SCREEN, XTERM and SCREEN
TERMCMD = "${SCREEN_TERMCMD}"
TERMCMDRUN = "${SCREEN_TERMCMDRUN}"

But... it clearly is not after some testing. Hrm... I don't see anything
matching in bitbake.conf either. Where this has migrated off to would be
a good question for the list, hopefully someone like Paul E. can answer
this quickly.

--
Darren Hart
Intel Open Source Technology Center
Yocto Project - Linux Kernel



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Re: developing with devshell and effect of the bitbake.conf file

[Tomas Frydrych]

Hi Scott,

On 19/06/12 19:13, Rifenbark, Scott M wrote:
> Hi, I want to throw this out for discussion.  I recently was looking
> at a section in the YP Reference manual
> (http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.html#platdev-appdev-devshell)
> where it talks about developing using devshell.  I asked Darren Hart
> if this was a valid development model and he says it is.

Absolutely, without devshell poky would be just a distro image builder,
devshell makes into a proper development tool, e.g. devshell is by far
the easiest way to develop/maintain patches (together with quilt) or to
tweak applications when debugging and testing.


> There is a
> part of the section though that talks about the bitbake.conf file.
> That section in the conf file does not seem to exist anymore.  And,
> Darren (after some testing) doesn't see how what is in the
> bitbake.conf file affects development with devshell.  Any comments
> welcome.

I think that bit of the manual is leftover from days of distant past.
The terminal selection it mentions generally happens automatically, but
can be forced by the OE_TERMINAL variable from local.conf, where it is
also documented.

Tomas

Re: developing with devshell and effect of the bitbake.conf file

[Paul Eggleton]

On Thursday 14 June 2012 15:46:51 Rifenbark, Scott M wrote:
> I want to throw this out for discussion.  I recently was looking at a
> section in the YP Reference manual
> (http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.h
> tml#platdev-appdev-devshell) where it talks about developing using devshell.
>  I asked Darren Hart if this was a valid development model and he says it
> is.  There is a part of the section though that talks about the
> bitbake.conf file.  That section in the conf file does not seem to exist
> anymore.  And, Darren (after some testing) doesn't see how what is in the
> bitbake.conf file affects development with devshell.  Any comments welcome.
> 
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Darren Hart wrote:
>> On 06/12/2012 11:34 AM, Scott Rifenbark wrote:
>> > Hi Darren,
>> > 
>> > So check out section
>> > http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/poky-ref-manual/poky-ref-manual.h
>> > tml#platdev-appdev-devshell. This talks about the whole devshell model. 
>> > One thing in this section is not current and that is the UI/Interfaces
>> > Configuration section
>> > reference in bitbake.conf file.  Regarding the section though, is this
>> > still a valid development model?  Is it worth keeping around in the docs?
>> > 
>> > As you can tell, I value your opinions greatly :)
>> 
>> As I understand it, this is still a perfectly valid working model.
>> Someone was just recommending it this week on the list.
>> 
>> As for the bitbake.conf file... I'm not sure. I thought this would have
>> been controlled by the following in local.conf.
>> 
>> # If you do not use (or have installed) gnome-terminal you will need to
>> # uncomment these variables and set them to the terminal you wish to use
>> # when resolving patches which cannot be applied
>> # Supported shell prefixes for *_TERMCMD and *_TERMCMDRUN ARE:
>> # GNOME, SCREEN, XTERM and SCREEN
>> TERMCMD = "${SCREEN_TERMCMD}"
>> TERMCMDRUN = "${SCREEN_TERMCMDRUN}"
>> 
>> But... it clearly is not after some testing. Hrm... I don't see anything
>> matching in bitbake.conf either. Where this has migrated off to would be
>> a good question for the list, hopefully someone like Paul E. can answer
>> this quickly.

Hmm, apparently I didn't - sorry about that! TERMCMD* were replaced by
OE_TERMINAL some time ago. I see we don't have any references to TERMCMD* so
I guess you removed these already. FYI there is a short reference to the
available options for the new OE_TERMINAL in the example config file which
you should be able to copy and adapt:

http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/tree/meta-yocto/conf/local.conf.sample

Please let me know if you need any more info.

Cheers,
Paul

-- 

Paul Eggleton
Intel Open Source Technology Centre