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From: Alex Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>
To: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>
Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren@nvidia.com>,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@avionic-design.de>,
	Simon Glass <sjg@chromium.org>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring@calxeda.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Anton Vorontsov <cbou@mail.ru>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Leela Krishna Amudala <l.krishna@samsung.com>,
	"linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org" <linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org"
	<devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/4] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:36:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2689722.93BQTh4lSC@percival> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1347517377.7471.23.camel@lappyti>

On Thursday 13 September 2012 14:22:57 Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
> * PGP Signed by an unknown key
> 
> On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 15:08 +0900, Alex Courbot wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday 13 September 2012 13:45:39 Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
> > 
> > > > Old Signed by an unknown key
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 2012-09-12 at 18:57 +0900, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Some device drivers (panel backlights especially) need to follow
> > > > precise
> > > > sequences for powering on and off, involving gpios, regulators, PWMs
> > > > with a precise powering order and delays to respect between each
> > > > steps.
> > > > These sequences are board-specific, and do not belong to a particular
> > > > driver - therefore they have been performed by board-specific hook
> > > > functions to far.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The sequences are not board-specific, they are device (backlight, etc.)
> > > specific. The sequences have been handled in board-specific hook
> > > functions so far because there hasn't been proper drivers for the
> > > devices.
> > > 
> > > If I were to take the same panel (and backlight) you have and install
> > > it
> > > on my board, I would need the same power sequence.
> > 
> > 
> > You could also have power sequences that control a set of GPIOs for an 
> > external interface (and would then be more board-specific), but you are
> > right 
> 
> What do you mean with "external interface"?

Any crazy circuit design that would make the regular power sequence not usable 
on a specific board. Sorry, I don't have any concrete example in mind, the 
above is just speculation.

> But it's true that there can always be interesting board specific
> hardware designs, and they truly are board specific. In my experience
> these are quite rare, though, but perhaps not so rare that we wouldn't
> need to care about them.
> 
> However, I fear these board specific things may be quite a bit anything,
> so it may well be pwm, gpios and regulators are not enough for them. For
> example, there could be an FPGA on the board which requires some
> configuration to accomplish the task at hand. It could be rather
> difficult to handle it with a generic power sequence.

Right. Note that this framework is supposed to be extended - I would like to 
at least add regulator voltage setting, and maybe even support for clocks and 
pinmux (but that might be out of place).

> So I guess what I'm saying is that mostly these issues are device
> specific, and when they are not, they may be rather complex/strange and
> require c code.

You're definitely right about the powering issue being a device issue 99% of 
the time. For the rest I do not have enough insight to emit an opinion.

Alex.


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alex Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>
To: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>
Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren@nvidia.com>,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@avionic-design.de>,
	Simon Glass <sjg@chromium.org>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring@calxeda.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Anton Vorontsov <cbou@mail.ru>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Leela Krishna Amudala <l.krishna@samsung.com>,
	"linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org" <linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org"
	<devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/4] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:36:23 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2689722.93BQTh4lSC@percival> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1347517377.7471.23.camel@lappyti>

On Thursday 13 September 2012 14:22:57 Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
> * PGP Signed by an unknown key
> 
> On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 15:08 +0900, Alex Courbot wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday 13 September 2012 13:45:39 Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
> > 
> > > > Old Signed by an unknown key
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 2012-09-12 at 18:57 +0900, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Some device drivers (panel backlights especially) need to follow
> > > > precise
> > > > sequences for powering on and off, involving gpios, regulators, PWMs
> > > > with a precise powering order and delays to respect between each
> > > > steps.
> > > > These sequences are board-specific, and do not belong to a particular
> > > > driver - therefore they have been performed by board-specific hook
> > > > functions to far.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The sequences are not board-specific, they are device (backlight, etc.)
> > > specific. The sequences have been handled in board-specific hook
> > > functions so far because there hasn't been proper drivers for the
> > > devices.
> > > 
> > > If I were to take the same panel (and backlight) you have and install
> > > it
> > > on my board, I would need the same power sequence.
> > 
> > 
> > You could also have power sequences that control a set of GPIOs for an 
> > external interface (and would then be more board-specific), but you are
> > right 
> 
> What do you mean with "external interface"?

Any crazy circuit design that would make the regular power sequence not usable 
on a specific board. Sorry, I don't have any concrete example in mind, the 
above is just speculation.

> But it's true that there can always be interesting board specific
> hardware designs, and they truly are board specific. In my experience
> these are quite rare, though, but perhaps not so rare that we wouldn't
> need to care about them.
> 
> However, I fear these board specific things may be quite a bit anything,
> so it may well be pwm, gpios and regulators are not enough for them. For
> example, there could be an FPGA on the board which requires some
> configuration to accomplish the task at hand. It could be rather
> difficult to handle it with a generic power sequence.

Right. Note that this framework is supposed to be extended - I would like to 
at least add regulator voltage setting, and maybe even support for clocks and 
pinmux (but that might be out of place).

> So I guess what I'm saying is that mostly these issues are device
> specific, and when they are not, they may be rather complex/strange and
> require c code.

You're definitely right about the powering issue being a device issue 99% of 
the time. For the rest I do not have enough insight to emit an opinion.

Alex.


  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-13  6:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-12  9:57 [PATCH v6 0/4] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57 ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57 ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] pwm_backlight: use power sequences Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12 22:15   ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-12 22:15     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found] ` <1347443867-18868-1-git-send-email-acourbot-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-12  9:57   ` [PATCH v6 1/4] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57     ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57     ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12 22:07     ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-12 22:07       ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-13  6:02       ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  6:02         ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13 15:44         ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-13 15:44           ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-13 15:44           ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]     ` <1347443867-18868-2-git-send-email-acourbot-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-13  5:45       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  5:45         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  5:45         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  6:08         ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  6:08           ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  6:22           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  6:22             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  6:36             ` Alex Courbot [this message]
2012-09-13  6:36               ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  6:54               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  6:54                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  6:54                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  7:00                 ` Sascha Hauer
2012-09-13  7:00                   ` Sascha Hauer
2012-09-13  7:00                   ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                   ` <20120913070012.GC6180-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-13  7:03                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  7:03                       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  7:03                       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  7:18                       ` Sascha Hauer
2012-09-13  7:18                         ` Sascha Hauer
2012-09-13  7:18                         ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                         ` <20120913071829.GE6180-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-13  7:27                           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  7:27                             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  7:27                             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  7:21                       ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  7:21                         ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  7:29                       ` Thierry Reding
2012-09-13  7:29                         ` Thierry Reding
2012-09-13  7:29                         ` Thierry Reding
2012-09-13  7:50                         ` Sascha Hauer
2012-09-13  7:50                           ` Sascha Hauer
2012-09-13  8:21                           ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  8:21                             ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  8:26                             ` Thierry Reding
2012-09-13  8:26                               ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                         ` <20120913072920.GA11459-RM9K5IK7kjIQXX3q8xo1gnVAuStQJXxyR5q1nwbD4aMs9pC9oP6+/A@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-13  8:00                           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  8:00                             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  8:00                             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  8:32                             ` Thierry Reding
2012-09-13  8:32                               ` Thierry Reding
2012-09-13  8:32                               ` Thierry Reding
2012-09-13  7:08                 ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  7:08                   ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  7:08                   ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13 15:37                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-13 15:37                     ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-13  8:09     ` Mark Brown
2012-09-13  8:09       ` Mark Brown
2012-09-12  9:57   ` [PATCH v6 3/4] tegra: dt: add label to tegra20's PWM Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57     ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57     ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57 ` [PATCH v6 4/4] tegra: ventana: add pwm backlight DT nodes Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57   ` Alexandre Courbot
2012-09-12  9:57   ` Alexandre Courbot
     [not found]   ` <1347443867-18868-5-git-send-email-acourbot-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-12 21:23     ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-12 21:23       ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-12 21:23       ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-12 21:27 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] Runtime Interpreted Power Sequences Stephen Warren
2012-09-12 21:27   ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]   ` <5050FE28.2080502-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-12 21:33     ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-09-12 21:33       ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-09-12 21:33       ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-09-13  5:53       ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  5:53         ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  5:50 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  5:50   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  6:23   ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  6:23     ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  6:25     ` Mark Brown
2012-09-13  6:25       ` Mark Brown
2012-09-13  6:42       ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  6:42         ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  7:19         ` Mark Brown
2012-09-13  7:19           ` Mark Brown
2012-09-13  7:19           ` Mark Brown
2012-09-13  7:26           ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  7:26             ` Alex Courbot
2012-09-13  7:29             ` Mark Brown
2012-09-13  7:29               ` Mark Brown
2012-09-13  7:29               ` Mark Brown
2012-09-13 15:24               ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-13 15:24                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-19  3:01                 ` Mark Brown
2012-09-19  3:01                   ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                 ` <5051FAC5.40501-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-03  8:24                   ` Alex Courbot
2012-10-03  8:24                     ` Alex Courbot
2012-10-03  8:24                     ` Alex Courbot
     [not found]                     ` <506BF62F.6040308-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-03 15:30                       ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-03 15:30                         ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-03 15:30                         ` Stephen Warren
2012-09-13  6:42     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  6:42       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  6:48     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-09-13  6:48       ` Tomi Valkeinen

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