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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert-Td1EMuHUCqxL1ZNQvxDV9g@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven
	<geert+renesas-gXvu3+zWzMSzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-spi <linux-spi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux-sh list <linux-sh-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	dmaengine-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Guennadi Liakhovetski
	<g.liakhovetski-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] [RFC] spi: rspi: Handle dmaengine_prep_slave_sg() failures gracefully
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:06:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2693636.GN1F3EeRMO@avalon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdWw6BZn5HnvkxbEbbG+j52YcJhtxHoL=PVjUC0kag=-tw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

Hi Geert,

On Friday 11 July 2014 15:58:07 Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> >> >> AFAIK, descriptors are cleaned up automatically after use, and the
> >> >> only function that takes a dma_async_tx_descriptor is
> >> >> dmaengine_submit(). But indeed, if you don't use them, that doesn't
> >> >> happen. So calling dmaengine_terminate_all() seems appropriate to fix
> >> >> this.
> >> >> 
> >> >> But, Documentation/dmaengine.txt says:
> >> >>         desc = dmaengine_prep_slave_sg(chan, sgl, nr_sg, direction,
> >> >>         flags);
> >> >>    
> >> >>    Once a descriptor has been obtained, the callback information can
> >> >>    be added and the descriptor must then be submitted.  Some DMA
> >> >>    engine drivers may hold a spinlock between a successful preparation
> >> >>    and submission so it is important that these two operations are
> >> >>    closely paired.
> >> >> 
> >> >> W.r.t. the spinlock, is it safe to call dmaengine_terminate_all() for
> >> >> a prepared but not submitted transfer?
> >> >> Is there another/better way?
> >> > 
> >> > Basically, I have no idea. I'm pretty sure some drivers will support
> >> > it, others won't. Reading the code won't help much, as there's no
> >> > available information regarding what the expected behaviour is. Welcome
> >> > to the wonderful world of the undocumented DMA engine API :-)
> >> 
> >> I did dive a bit into the code...
> >> 
> >> 1.  The spinlock comment seems to apply to INTEL_IOATDMA only.
> >> 
> >>     This driver doesn't implement dma_device.device_control(), so
> >>     dmaengine_terminate_all() is a no-op there, and there doesn't seem to
> >>     be a way to release a descriptor without submitting it first.
> >> 
> >> 2.  While I thought dmaengine_terminate_all() would release all
> >>     descriptors on shdma, as it calls shdma_chan_ld_cleanup(), it only
> >>     releases the descriptors that are at least in submitted state.
> >>     Hence after a while, you get
> >>     
> >>         sh-dma-engine e6700020.dma-controller: No free link descriptor
> >>         available
> >>     
> >>     Interestingly, this contradicts with the comment in
> >>     shdma_free_chan_resources():
> >>     
> >>         /* Prepared and not submitted descriptors can still be on the
> >>         queue */
> >>         if (!list_empty(&schan->ld_queue))
> >>                 shdma_chan_ld_cleanup(schan, true);
> >> 
> >> As dmaengine_submit() will not start the DMA operation, but merely add it
> >> to the pending queue (starting needs a call to
> >> dma_async_issue_pending()),it seems the right solution is to continue
> >> submitting the request for which preparation succeeded, and then aborting
> >> everything using dmaengine_terminate_all().
> >> 
> >> Note that this also means that if submitting the RX request failed, you
> >> should still submit the TX request, as it has been prepared.
> >> 
> >> Alternatively, you can interleave prep and submit for both channels,
> >> which
> >> makes the error recovery code less convoluted.
> > 
> > How about fixing the DMA API to allow cleaning up a prepared request
> > without submitting it ?
> 
> That's another option. But that would require updating all drivers.

Isn't it worth it if the API can be made simpler and more robust ? Even though 
the number of drivers to change isn't small, the update could be rolled out 
gradually.

I wonder what the rationale for the DMA engine cookie system was, and if it 
still applies today. Wouldn't it be easier if slave drivers stored pointers to 
the async_tx descriptors instead of storing cookies, and used them in place of 
cookies through the whole API ? Slaves would then need to release the 
descriptors explicitly, which could occur at any point of time if they were 
reference counted.

> Note that only ioat, iop-adma, mv_xor, and ppc4xx do not implement
> .device_control() and/or DMA_TERMINATE_ALL.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart


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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert-Td1EMuHUCqxL1ZNQvxDV9g@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven
	<geert+renesas-gXvu3+zWzMSzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-spi <linux-spi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux-sh list <linux-sh-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	dmaengine-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Guennadi Liakhovetski
	<g.liakhovetski-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] [RFC] spi: rspi: Handle dmaengine_prep_slave_sg() failures gracefully
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2693636.GN1F3EeRMO@avalon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdWw6BZn5HnvkxbEbbG+j52YcJhtxHoL=PVjUC0kag=-tw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

Hi Geert,

On Friday 11 July 2014 15:58:07 Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> >> >> AFAIK, descriptors are cleaned up automatically after use, and the
> >> >> only function that takes a dma_async_tx_descriptor is
> >> >> dmaengine_submit(). But indeed, if you don't use them, that doesn't
> >> >> happen. So calling dmaengine_terminate_all() seems appropriate to fix
> >> >> this.
> >> >> 
> >> >> But, Documentation/dmaengine.txt says:
> >> >>         desc = dmaengine_prep_slave_sg(chan, sgl, nr_sg, direction,
> >> >>         flags);
> >> >>    
> >> >>    Once a descriptor has been obtained, the callback information can
> >> >>    be added and the descriptor must then be submitted.  Some DMA
> >> >>    engine drivers may hold a spinlock between a successful preparation
> >> >>    and submission so it is important that these two operations are
> >> >>    closely paired.
> >> >> 
> >> >> W.r.t. the spinlock, is it safe to call dmaengine_terminate_all() for
> >> >> a prepared but not submitted transfer?
> >> >> Is there another/better way?
> >> > 
> >> > Basically, I have no idea. I'm pretty sure some drivers will support
> >> > it, others won't. Reading the code won't help much, as there's no
> >> > available information regarding what the expected behaviour is. Welcome
> >> > to the wonderful world of the undocumented DMA engine API :-)
> >> 
> >> I did dive a bit into the code...
> >> 
> >> 1.  The spinlock comment seems to apply to INTEL_IOATDMA only.
> >> 
> >>     This driver doesn't implement dma_device.device_control(), so
> >>     dmaengine_terminate_all() is a no-op there, and there doesn't seem to
> >>     be a way to release a descriptor without submitting it first.
> >> 
> >> 2.  While I thought dmaengine_terminate_all() would release all
> >>     descriptors on shdma, as it calls shdma_chan_ld_cleanup(), it only
> >>     releases the descriptors that are at least in submitted state.
> >>     Hence after a while, you get
> >>     
> >>         sh-dma-engine e6700020.dma-controller: No free link descriptor
> >>         available
> >>     
> >>     Interestingly, this contradicts with the comment in
> >>     shdma_free_chan_resources():
> >>     
> >>         /* Prepared and not submitted descriptors can still be on the
> >>         queue */
> >>         if (!list_empty(&schan->ld_queue))
> >>                 shdma_chan_ld_cleanup(schan, true);
> >> 
> >> As dmaengine_submit() will not start the DMA operation, but merely add it
> >> to the pending queue (starting needs a call to
> >> dma_async_issue_pending()),it seems the right solution is to continue
> >> submitting the request for which preparation succeeded, and then aborting
> >> everything using dmaengine_terminate_all().
> >> 
> >> Note that this also means that if submitting the RX request failed, you
> >> should still submit the TX request, as it has been prepared.
> >> 
> >> Alternatively, you can interleave prep and submit for both channels,
> >> which
> >> makes the error recovery code less convoluted.
> > 
> > How about fixing the DMA API to allow cleaning up a prepared request
> > without submitting it ?
> 
> That's another option. But that would require updating all drivers.

Isn't it worth it if the API can be made simpler and more robust ? Even though 
the number of drivers to change isn't small, the update could be rolled out 
gradually.

I wonder what the rationale for the DMA engine cookie system was, and if it 
still applies today. Wouldn't it be easier if slave drivers stored pointers to 
the async_tx descriptors instead of storing cookies, and used them in place of 
cookies through the whole API ? Slaves would then need to release the 
descriptors explicitly, which could occur at any point of time if they were 
reference counted.

> Note that only ioat, iop-adma, mv_xor, and ppc4xx do not implement
> .device_control() and/or DMA_TERMINATE_ALL.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

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Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-09 10:26 [PATCH 1/2] [RFC] spi: rspi: Handle dmaengine_prep_slave_sg() failures gracefully Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-07-09 10:26 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found] ` <1404901583-31366-1-git-send-email-geert+renesas-gXvu3+zWzMSzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-09 10:26   ` [PATCH 2/2] [RFC] spi: sh-msiof: Handle dmaengine_prep_slave_single() " Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-07-09 10:26     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]     ` <1404901583-31366-2-git-send-email-geert+renesas-gXvu3+zWzMSzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-10 11:09       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-10 11:09         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-10 11:05   ` [PATCH 1/2] [RFC] spi: rspi: Handle dmaengine_prep_slave_sg() " Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-10 11:05     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-10 11:36     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-07-10 11:36       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-07-16 21:42   ` Mark Brown
2014-07-16 21:42     ` Mark Brown
2014-07-10 11:08 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-10 11:08   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-10 11:55   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-07-10 11:55     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]     ` <CAMuHMdXj=Y0w39iyY9GPjUJPXC7UgPyeqk7+G+zZeAvGoE1fGg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-10 23:47       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-10 23:47         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-11 13:22         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-07-11 13:22           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-07-11 13:27           ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-11 13:27             ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-11 13:58             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-07-11 13:58               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]               ` <CAMuHMdWw6BZn5HnvkxbEbbG+j52YcJhtxHoL=PVjUC0kag=-tw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-11 14:06                 ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2014-07-11 14:06                   ` Laurent Pinchart

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