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From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
To: Sarika Sharma <quic_sarishar@quicinc.com>, johannes@sipsolutions.net
Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/7] wifi: cfg80211/mac80211: add support to handle per link statistics of multi-link station
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 09:02:31 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <31d7e5e7-2290-76fc-2440-16d6e5df3dca@candelatech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d5b4723-95a2-41c1-be26-534bb5ff1abe@quicinc.com>

On 1/14/25 21:11, Sarika Sharma wrote:
> On 1/10/2025 10:23 PM, Ben Greear wrote:
>> On 1/9/25 20:24, Sarika Sharma wrote:
>>> Current implementation of NL80211_CMD_GET_STATION does not work
>>> for multi-link operation(MLO) since in case of MLO only deflink
>>> (or one of the links) is considered and not all links.
>>>
>>> Hence, add the link_sinfo structure to provide infrastructure
>>> for link-level station statistics for multi-link operation(MLO).
>>>
>>> Additionally, accumulated stats for MLO are included in a concise
>>> manner to provide a comprehensive overview of the ML stations.
>>>
>>> NOTE:
>>>     1. Current code changes are done to get an early feedback on design.
>>>     2. Once RFC patches are approved will add the required driver changes.
>>>     3. Ath12k changes are included in this series for reference to other
>>>        driver changes.
>>
>>> Alternate approach:
>>>     - Keep sinfo structure as it is and use this for non-ML or
>>>       accumulated statistics for ML station.
>>>     - Add link sinfo for links with only certain link specific statistics.
>>>     - Keep mac_op_sta_statistics at MLD level and let driver fill the
>>>       MLO and link level data, if driver not filling let mac80211 fill
>>>       the data.
>>>     - Corresponding changes done to embed statistics into the NL message
>>>       based on the sinfo/link_sinfo.
>>
>> My suggestions for general approach to this:
>>
>> 1)  current sinfo stats should report totals for all links,
>> but it should not sum them up at query time because links come
>> and go.  So driver/firmware/mac80211 or whatever is keeping count
>> of the stats needs to count the total tx/rx/ packets/bytes/whatever
>> as it happens.
> 
> Alternate approach is not considered here, because some fields at station level could not be much meaningful like rx_beacon, pertid ,etc.
> I believe the total count is better to do from links data in cfg80211/mac80211, as if link's data is provided it is easy to aggregate them, during query time.
> 
> Also removed link_data is maintained in implemented approach, so that could be helpful if any link go down.
> 
>>
>> 2)  Per-link stats can be over duration of the link object.
>>
>> 3)  For sinfo logic that currently reports tx/rx mcs rate and such that cannot
>> be summed, use 'best' link's for those values.  Effectively, this probably means highest
>> frequency is 'best' link.
> 
> Every fields have it's own way of best, so based on field need to check what is best for this field value? but some parameters not have much meaning at MLO 
> level like rx_beacon, pertid, etc. So keeping best of it, will be useful here?
> 
> or you mean need to check for best frequency link and take this link data as MLO data? if yes? will it be useful here?

My goal is to allow legacy user-space to report something useful for MLO netdevs, and in my opinion, reporting
tx/rx mcs rates in this case should use the highest frequency link that is active.


>> 4) Add per-link stats data that looks very much like 'sinfo' data struct and user-space
>> that can support that could then get detailed per-link stats at same time it is getting
>> per netdev 'sinfo' stats.
> 
> Again, some fields that are in sinfo structure could not be very useful at link level like generation, sta_info, etc. So keeping same structure for station 
> level and link level is not very useful, instead better to split the structure, fields for station level and some fields at link level.
> 
>>
>> 5) Assuming there will never be more than 3 links for any radios supported by Linux in the near future,
>> embed the 3 link's 'sinfo-like' stats data structure in the per-netdev sinfo stats struct
>> so that we can get all 3 link's data at same time that we are getting the other stats.
>> That should save calls into the driver and ensure that per-links stats can be gathered
>> at exactly the same time.
> 
> Yes, I agree currently it's 3 only, but everywhere we are using max-15, so explicitly keeping it 3 here isn't questionable? In future also it will not be useful.

Changing a 3 to a 4 is easy future change, and should not affect user-space API one
way or another.  If we can simplify code and stats memory allocation by using a smaller
link count for stats gathering, I think we should do that.  As soon as something supporting
more than 3 links exists, we can increase it.

But, it is not a big deal to me, so if you like the other approach, I'll not
argue further.

Thanks,
Ben

> 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ben
>>
> 
> Currently, addressing the comments on current implemented approach.
> 
> 

-- 
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com



      reply	other threads:[~2025-01-15 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-10  4:24 [PATCH RFC 0/7] wifi: cfg80211/mac80211: add support to handle per link statistics of multi-link station Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10  4:24 ` [PATCH RFC 1/7] wifi: cfg80211: reorg sinfo structure elements for mesh Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10  9:15   ` Johannes Berg
2025-01-12  8:08     ` Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10  4:24 ` [PATCH RFC 2/7] wifi: cfg80211: reorg sinfo structure elements for MLO Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10  9:19   ` Johannes Berg
2025-01-12  8:10     ` Sarika Sharma
2025-01-14 11:19       ` Johannes Berg
2025-01-15  6:40         ` Sarika Sharma
2025-01-11  6:51   ` kernel test robot
2025-01-11  7:25   ` kernel test robot
2025-01-10  4:24 ` [PATCH RFC 3/7] wifi: cfg80211: extend statistics for link level in sinfo Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10  9:20   ` Johannes Berg
2025-01-12  8:10     ` Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10  9:21   ` Johannes Berg
2025-01-12  8:14     ` Sarika Sharma
2025-01-11  9:49   ` kernel test robot
2025-01-10  4:24 ` [PATCH RFC 4/7] wifi: cfg80211: add accumulated statistics for MLO links Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10  4:24 ` [PATCH RFC 5/7] wifi: mac80211: add support to accumulate removed link statistics Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10  9:22   ` Johannes Berg
2025-01-12  8:15     ` Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10  4:24 ` [PATCH RFC 6/7] wifi: cfg80211: add additional MLO statistics Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10  4:24 ` [PATCH RFC 7/7] wifi: ath12k: correctly fetch arsta for MLO Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10  9:45 ` [PATCH RFC 0/7] wifi: cfg80211/mac80211: add support to handle per link statistics of multi-link station Johannes Berg
2025-01-12  8:17   ` Sarika Sharma
2025-01-10 16:53 ` Ben Greear
2025-01-15  5:11   ` Sarika Sharma
2025-01-15 17:02     ` Ben Greear [this message]

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