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From: Frode Isaksen <fisaksen@baylibre.com>
To: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>,
	Vignesh R <vigneshr@ti.com>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Cyrille Pitchen <cyrille.pitchen@atmel.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
	Marek Vasut <marek.vasut@gmail.com>,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, linux-spi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] mtd: devices: m25p80: Enable spi-nor bounce buffer support
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:03:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <341ef45d-bad5-fd7c-aa05-807041c35f42@baylibre.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170302152921.1c031b57@bbrezillon>



On 02/03/2017 15:29, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 19:24:43 +0530
> Vignesh R <vigneshr@ti.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>     
>>>>> Not really, I am debugging another issue with UBIFS on DRA74 EVM (ARM
>>>>> cortex-a15) wherein pages allocated by vmalloc are in highmem region
>>>>> that are not addressable using 32 bit addresses and is backed by LPAE.
>>>>> So, a 32 bit DMA cannot access these buffers at all.
>>>>> When dma_map_sg() is called to map these pages by spi_map_buf() the
>>>>> physical address is just truncated to 32 bit in pfn_to_dma() (as part of
>>>>> dma_map_sg() call). This results in random crashes as DMA starts
>>>>> accessing random memory during SPI read.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO, there may be more undiscovered caveat with using dma_map_sg() for
>>>>> non kmalloc'd buffers and its better that spi-nor starts handling these
>>>>> buffers instead of relying on spi_map_msg() and working around every
>>>>> time something pops up.
>>>>>  
>>>> Ok, I had a closer look at the SPI framework, and it seems there's a
>>>> way to tell to the core that a specific transfer cannot use DMA
>>>> (->can_dam()). The first thing you should do is fix the spi-davinci
>>>> driver:
>>>>
>>>> 1/ implement ->can_dma()
>>>> 2/ patch davinci_spi_bufs() to take the decision to do DMA or not on a
>>>>    per-xfer basis and not on a per-device basis
>>>>  
>> This would lead to poor perf defeating entire purpose of using DMA.
> Hm, that's not really true. For all cases where you have a DMA-able
> buffer it would still use DMA. For other cases (like the UBI+SPI-NOR
> case we're talking about here), yes, it will be slower, but slower is
> still better than buggy.
> So, in any case, I think the fixes pointed by Frode are needed.
Also, I think the UBIFS layer only uses vmalloc'ed buffers during mount/unmount and not for read/write, so the performance hit is not that big. In most cases the buffer is the size of the erase block, but I've seen vmalloc'ed buffer of size only 11 bytes ! So, to optimize this, the best solution is probably to change how the UBIFS layer is using vmalloc'ed vs kmalloc'ed buffers, since vmalloc'ed should only be used for large (> 128K) buffers.

Frode
>
>>>> Then we can start thinking about how to improve perfs by using a bounce
>>>> buffer for large transfers, but I'm still not sure this should be done
>>>> at the MTD level...  
>> If its at SPI level, then I guess each individual drivers which cannot
>> handle vmalloc'd buffers will have to implement bounce buffer logic.
> Well, that's my opinion. The only one that can decide when to do
> PIO, when to use DMA or when to use a bounce buffer+DMA is the SPI
> controller.
> If you move this logic to the SPI NOR layer, you'll have to guess what
> is the best approach, and I fear the decision will be wrong on some
> platforms (leading to perf degradation).
>
> You're mentioning code duplication in each SPI controller, I agree,
> this is far from ideal, but what you're suggesting is not necessarily
> better. What if another SPI user starts passing vmalloc-ed buffers to
> the SPI controller? You'll have to duplicate the bounce-buffer logic in
> this user as well.
>
>> Or SPI core can be extended in a way similar to this RFC. That is, SPI
>> master driver will set a flag to request SPI core to use of bounce
>> buffer for vmalloc'd buffers. And spi_map_buf() just uses bounce buffer
>> in case buf does not belong to kmalloc region based on the flag.
> That's a better approach IMHO. Note that the decision should not only
> be based on the buffer type, but also on the transfer length and/or
> whether the controller supports transferring non physically contiguous
> buffers.
>
> Maybe we should just extend ->can_dma() to let the core know if it
> should use a bounce buffer.
>
> Regarding the bounce buffer allocation logic, I'm not sure how it
> should be done. The SPI user should be able to determine a max transfer
> len (at least this is the case for SPI NORs) and inform the SPI layer
> about this boundary so that the SPI core can allocate a bounce buffer
> of this size. But we also have limitations at the SPI master level
> (->max_transfer_size(), ->max_message_size()).
>
>

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From: Frode Isaksen <fisaksen@baylibre.com>
To: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>,
	Vignesh R <vigneshr@ti.com>
Cc: linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-spi@vger.kernel.org,
	Marek Vasut <marek.vasut@gmail.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	Cyrille Pitchen <cyrille.pitchen@atmel.com>,
	Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] mtd: devices: m25p80: Enable spi-nor bounce buffer support
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:03:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <341ef45d-bad5-fd7c-aa05-807041c35f42@baylibre.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170302152921.1c031b57@bbrezillon>



On 02/03/2017 15:29, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 19:24:43 +0530
> Vignesh R <vigneshr@ti.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>     
>>>>> Not really, I am debugging another issue with UBIFS on DRA74 EVM (ARM
>>>>> cortex-a15) wherein pages allocated by vmalloc are in highmem region
>>>>> that are not addressable using 32 bit addresses and is backed by LPAE.
>>>>> So, a 32 bit DMA cannot access these buffers at all.
>>>>> When dma_map_sg() is called to map these pages by spi_map_buf() the
>>>>> physical address is just truncated to 32 bit in pfn_to_dma() (as part of
>>>>> dma_map_sg() call). This results in random crashes as DMA starts
>>>>> accessing random memory during SPI read.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO, there may be more undiscovered caveat with using dma_map_sg() for
>>>>> non kmalloc'd buffers and its better that spi-nor starts handling these
>>>>> buffers instead of relying on spi_map_msg() and working around every
>>>>> time something pops up.
>>>>>  
>>>> Ok, I had a closer look at the SPI framework, and it seems there's a
>>>> way to tell to the core that a specific transfer cannot use DMA
>>>> (->can_dam()). The first thing you should do is fix the spi-davinci
>>>> driver:
>>>>
>>>> 1/ implement ->can_dma()
>>>> 2/ patch davinci_spi_bufs() to take the decision to do DMA or not on a
>>>>    per-xfer basis and not on a per-device basis
>>>>  
>> This would lead to poor perf defeating entire purpose of using DMA.
> Hm, that's not really true. For all cases where you have a DMA-able
> buffer it would still use DMA. For other cases (like the UBI+SPI-NOR
> case we're talking about here), yes, it will be slower, but slower is
> still better than buggy.
> So, in any case, I think the fixes pointed by Frode are needed.
Also, I think the UBIFS layer only uses vmalloc'ed buffers during mount/unmount and not for read/write, so the performance hit is not that big. In most cases the buffer is the size of the erase block, but I've seen vmalloc'ed buffer of size only 11 bytes ! So, to optimize this, the best solution is probably to change how the UBIFS layer is using vmalloc'ed vs kmalloc'ed buffers, since vmalloc'ed should only be used for large (> 128K) buffers.

Frode
>
>>>> Then we can start thinking about how to improve perfs by using a bounce
>>>> buffer for large transfers, but I'm still not sure this should be done
>>>> at the MTD level...  
>> If its at SPI level, then I guess each individual drivers which cannot
>> handle vmalloc'd buffers will have to implement bounce buffer logic.
> Well, that's my opinion. The only one that can decide when to do
> PIO, when to use DMA or when to use a bounce buffer+DMA is the SPI
> controller.
> If you move this logic to the SPI NOR layer, you'll have to guess what
> is the best approach, and I fear the decision will be wrong on some
> platforms (leading to perf degradation).
>
> You're mentioning code duplication in each SPI controller, I agree,
> this is far from ideal, but what you're suggesting is not necessarily
> better. What if another SPI user starts passing vmalloc-ed buffers to
> the SPI controller? You'll have to duplicate the bounce-buffer logic in
> this user as well.
>
>> Or SPI core can be extended in a way similar to this RFC. That is, SPI
>> master driver will set a flag to request SPI core to use of bounce
>> buffer for vmalloc'd buffers. And spi_map_buf() just uses bounce buffer
>> in case buf does not belong to kmalloc region based on the flag.
> That's a better approach IMHO. Note that the decision should not only
> be based on the buffer type, but also on the transfer length and/or
> whether the controller supports transferring non physically contiguous
> buffers.
>
> Maybe we should just extend ->can_dma() to let the core know if it
> should use a bounce buffer.
>
> Regarding the bounce buffer allocation logic, I'm not sure how it
> should be done. The SPI user should be able to determine a max transfer
> len (at least this is the case for SPI NORs) and inform the SPI layer
> about this boundary so that the SPI core can allocate a bounce buffer
> of this size. But we also have limitations at the SPI master level
> (->max_transfer_size(), ->max_message_size()).
>
>


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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-27 12:08 [RFC PATCH 0/2] mtd: spi-nor: Handle vmalloc'd buffers Vignesh R
2017-02-27 12:08 ` Vignesh R
2017-02-27 12:08 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mtd: spi-nor: Introduce bounce buffer to handle " Vignesh R
2017-02-27 12:08   ` Vignesh R
2017-02-28 21:39   ` Richard Weinberger
2017-02-28 21:39     ` Richard Weinberger
2017-03-01  5:13     ` Vignesh R
2017-03-01  5:13       ` Vignesh R
2017-03-01 10:09     ` Cyrille Pitchen
2017-03-01 10:09       ` Cyrille Pitchen
2017-03-01 10:18       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 10:18         ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 11:18         ` Frode Isaksen
2017-03-01 11:18           ` Frode Isaksen
2017-03-01 12:12           ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 12:12             ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 11:50       ` Vignesh R
2017-03-01 11:50         ` Vignesh R
2017-02-27 12:08 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mtd: devices: m25p80: Enable spi-nor bounce buffer support Vignesh R
2017-02-27 12:08   ` Vignesh R
2017-02-28 21:41   ` Richard Weinberger
2017-03-01  4:54     ` Vignesh R
2017-03-01  4:54       ` Vignesh R
2017-03-01 10:43       ` Cyrille Pitchen
2017-03-01 10:43         ` Cyrille Pitchen
2017-03-01 11:14         ` Frode Isaksen
2017-03-01 11:14           ` Frode Isaksen
2017-03-01 11:46         ` Vignesh R
2017-03-01 11:46           ` Vignesh R
2017-03-01 11:46           ` Vignesh R
2017-03-01 12:23           ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 12:23             ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 14:21           ` Cyrille Pitchen
2017-03-01 14:21             ` Cyrille Pitchen
2017-03-01 14:28             ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 14:28               ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 14:28               ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 14:30               ` Cyrille Pitchen
2017-03-01 14:30                 ` Cyrille Pitchen
2017-03-01 14:30                 ` Cyrille Pitchen
2017-03-01 15:52             ` Mark Brown
2017-03-01 16:04           ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 16:04             ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 16:55           ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-01 16:55             ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-02  9:06             ` Frode Isaksen
2017-03-02  9:06               ` Frode Isaksen
2017-03-02 13:54               ` Vignesh R
2017-03-02 13:54                 ` Vignesh R
2017-03-02 14:29                 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-02 14:29                   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-02 15:03                   ` Frode Isaksen [this message]
2017-03-02 15:03                     ` Frode Isaksen
2017-03-02 15:25                     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-02 15:25                       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-03  9:02                       ` Frode Isaksen
2017-03-03  9:02                         ` Frode Isaksen
2017-03-02 16:45                   ` Cyrille Pitchen
2017-03-02 16:45                     ` Cyrille Pitchen
2017-03-02 17:00                   ` Mark Brown
2017-03-02 17:00                     ` Mark Brown
2017-03-02 19:49                     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-02 19:49                       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-03 12:50                       ` Mark Brown
2017-03-03 12:50                         ` Mark Brown
2017-03-06 11:47                   ` Vignesh R
2017-03-06 11:47                     ` Vignesh R
2017-03-14 13:21                     ` Vignesh R
2017-02-27 14:03 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] mtd: spi-nor: Handle vmalloc'd buffers Frode Isaksen
2017-02-27 14:03   ` Frode Isaksen

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