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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
To: y2038-cunTk1MwBs8s++Sfvej+rw@public.gmane.org
Cc: Pingbo Wen <pingbo.wen-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Dmitry Torokhov
	<dmitry.torokhov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	aksgarg1989-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	linux-input-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Y2038] [PATCH 0/3] introduce new evdev interface type
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:54:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3471947.HA9TBa0js5@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1BB6B3AD-F547-49F8-886A-56EF80CE62FE-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>

On Thursday 03 December 2015 20:49:06 Pingbo Wen wrote:
> > 在 2015年12月1日,18:47,Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org> 写道:
> > On Tuesday 01 December 2015 16:34:00 Pingbo Wen wrote:
> >> We can force kernel using monotonic time in EV_IF_LEGACY interface, and
> >> making input_event independent from time_t(after evdev has converted to
> >> input_value, it’s easy to do that), but that also imply userspace
> >> must change their code to fit this change. If changing userspace code is
> >> a mandatory option, why not to force them do a complete conversion?
> > 
> > Most user space programs won't care, as they don't even look at the tv_sec
> > portion, and the goal is to avoid having to change them.
> > 
> > There is still an open question to how exactly we want to get user space
> > to change.
> > 
> > We could do some compile-time trick by having a union in struct input_event
> > and mark the existing timeval part as deprecated, so we flag any use of the
> > 32-bit tv_sec member, such as:
> > 
> > struct input_event {
> > #if !defined(__KERNEL__) && __TIME_T_BITS == __BITS_PER_LONG
> >        struct timeval time;
> 
> > #else
> > 	struct {
> > 		union {
> > 			__u32 tv_sec __attribute__((deprecated));
> > 			__u32 tv_sec_monotonic;
> > 		};
> > 		__s32 tv_usec;
> > 	} time;
> > #endif
> >        __u16 type;
> >        __u16 code;
> >        __s32 value;
> > };
> 
> I have one question here, if userspace use this structure, all helper functions
> of timeval will not work. And userspace need to write extra helper function for
> this fake timeval. This just create an another urgly time structure.

Correct, this is a useful side-effect of the change: any user space access to
the event->time member that assumes it's a timeval will cause a compile-time
warning or error (depending on the access), which helps us identify the
broken code and fix it to use monotonic times as well as access the right
struct members.

> And this method also forces most of old binaries to compile with new libc, adjust
> their codes with new fake time structure.
> 
> Besides, I get an idea to combine your structure with input_composite_event:
> 
> union {
> 	struct {
> 		__s32 tv_usec;
> 		__s32 tv_sec;
> 	};
> 	__s64 time;
> } time;
> 
> I prefer to use a single s64 timestamp, if our goal is to remove timeval from kernel.

We can't really remove this instance of timeval anyway, so adding an __s64 member
here is not all that helpful. We should use __s64 nanoseconds for new interfaces
like this, but I see no reason to change the one we have here.

	Arnd

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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: y2038@lists.linaro.org
Cc: Pingbo Wen <pingbo.wen@linaro.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, aksgarg1989@gmail.com,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Y2038] [PATCH 0/3] introduce new evdev interface type
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:54:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3471947.HA9TBa0js5@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1BB6B3AD-F547-49F8-886A-56EF80CE62FE@linaro.org>

On Thursday 03 December 2015 20:49:06 Pingbo Wen wrote:
> > 在 2015年12月1日,18:47,Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> 写道:
> > On Tuesday 01 December 2015 16:34:00 Pingbo Wen wrote:
> >> We can force kernel using monotonic time in EV_IF_LEGACY interface, and
> >> making input_event independent from time_t(after evdev has converted to
> >> input_value, it’s easy to do that), but that also imply userspace
> >> must change their code to fit this change. If changing userspace code is
> >> a mandatory option, why not to force them do a complete conversion?
> > 
> > Most user space programs won't care, as they don't even look at the tv_sec
> > portion, and the goal is to avoid having to change them.
> > 
> > There is still an open question to how exactly we want to get user space
> > to change.
> > 
> > We could do some compile-time trick by having a union in struct input_event
> > and mark the existing timeval part as deprecated, so we flag any use of the
> > 32-bit tv_sec member, such as:
> > 
> > struct input_event {
> > #if !defined(__KERNEL__) && __TIME_T_BITS == __BITS_PER_LONG
> >        struct timeval time;
> 
> > #else
> > 	struct {
> > 		union {
> > 			__u32 tv_sec __attribute__((deprecated));
> > 			__u32 tv_sec_monotonic;
> > 		};
> > 		__s32 tv_usec;
> > 	} time;
> > #endif
> >        __u16 type;
> >        __u16 code;
> >        __s32 value;
> > };
> 
> I have one question here, if userspace use this structure, all helper functions
> of timeval will not work. And userspace need to write extra helper function for
> this fake timeval. This just create an another urgly time structure.

Correct, this is a useful side-effect of the change: any user space access to
the event->time member that assumes it's a timeval will cause a compile-time
warning or error (depending on the access), which helps us identify the
broken code and fix it to use monotonic times as well as access the right
struct members.

> And this method also forces most of old binaries to compile with new libc, adjust
> their codes with new fake time structure.
> 
> Besides, I get an idea to combine your structure with input_composite_event:
> 
> union {
> 	struct {
> 		__s32 tv_usec;
> 		__s32 tv_sec;
> 	};
> 	__s64 time;
> } time;
> 
> I prefer to use a single s64 timestamp, if our goal is to remove timeval from kernel.

We can't really remove this instance of timeval anyway, so adding an __s64 member
here is not all that helpful. We should use __s64 nanoseconds for new interfaces
like this, but I see no reason to change the one we have here.

	Arnd

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-03 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-27 10:00 [PATCH 0/3] introduce new evdev interface type WEN Pingbo
2015-11-27 10:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] input: evdev: introduce new evdev interface WEN Pingbo
     [not found]   ` <1448618432-32357-2-git-send-email-pingbo.wen-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-27 10:37     ` kbuild test robot
2015-11-27 10:37       ` kbuild test robot
2015-11-27 10:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] input: evdev: add new ioctl EVIOCSIFTYPE / EVIOCGIFTYPE WEN Pingbo
2015-11-27 16:59   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-27 16:59     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-29  9:19     ` Pingbo Wen
2015-11-29  9:19       ` Pingbo Wen
2015-11-27 10:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] uinput: convert input_event to input_value WEN Pingbo
     [not found] ` <1448618432-32357-1-git-send-email-pingbo.wen-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-27 16:58   ` [PATCH 0/3] introduce new evdev interface type Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-27 16:58     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-29  9:13     ` Pingbo Wen
2015-11-29  9:13       ` Pingbo Wen
2015-11-30 15:13       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-01  8:34         ` Pingbo Wen
2015-12-01  8:34           ` Pingbo Wen
     [not found]           ` <CB4E5A6F-D514-4D3B-9C95-13A52C509EC9-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-01 10:47             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-01 10:47               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-03 12:49               ` Pingbo Wen
2015-12-03 12:49                 ` Pingbo Wen
     [not found]                 ` <1BB6B3AD-F547-49F8-886A-56EF80CE62FE-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-03 12:54                   ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2015-12-03 12:54                     ` [Y2038] " Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-03 12:56                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-03 12:56                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-01  8:34         ` Pingbo Wen
2015-12-01  8:34           ` Pingbo Wen

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