[parisc-linux] HP 9000 e25

[parisc-linux] HP 9000 e25

[Christian Knoch]

hi. 
i need information about how to install linux on hp
9000 e25
what version on linux
what distribution ?
how many memoty i need in this machine
how many space on disk i need in this machine
howto boot machine for install linux


Thanks


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Re: [parisc-linux] HP 9000 e25

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 03:40:14PM -0800, Christian Knoch wrote:
> hi. 
> i need information about how to install linux on hp
> 9000 e25

*sigh*.  This is in the FAQ.  Where do we need to put links to the FAQ
to persuade people to read it?  Where did you find this mailing list
address, do we need to put a link to the FAQ there?

The answer given in the FAQ is:

The earliest PA-RISC servers have proprietary HP devices attached to
proprietary HP bus architectures. It is unlikely that documentation
on these busses and devices will ever become available, since so few
people are interested in spending any effort finding and releasing the
docs. Machines in this category are the E, F, G, H, I class (aka Nova)
and T500 series (Emerald) machines as well as some earlier, unlettered
servers.


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Re: [parisc-linux] HP 9000 e25

[Andrew Shugg]

Matthew Wilcox said:
> On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 03:40:14PM -0800, Christian Knoch wrote:
> > hi. 
> > i need information about how to install linux on hp
> > 9000 e25
> 
> *sigh*.  This is in the FAQ.  Where do we need to put links to the FAQ
> to persuade people to read it?  Where did you find this mailing list
> address, do we need to put a link to the FAQ there?

I think the fault lies in the "Contact" page, new (!) URL being:

	http://parisc-linux.org/contact.html

"Most questions about the port should be addressed to the developer
mailing list parisc-linux@thepuffingroup.com"

I would suggest this page be changed a bit, like stick the mailing list
down the bottom and change it to a link to the mailing list subscribe
and browse-the-archives page, rather than simply the address of the
list.  Also a comment about reading the FAQ.  Yes, the FAQ is in the
left-hand side-bar but you can never over-do the help.  =)

One of my favourite comments along that line was on the windowmaker.org
home page (sadly it has been removed).  It was something like "Please
bear in mind that asking questions on the mailing list that are answered
in the FAQ is NOT A GOOD IDEA."  <grin>

The FAQ on parisc-linux.org is also missing the all-important Q/A pair:

Q. I have a question that isn't answered in this FAQ?
A. Please subscribe to the [mailing list] and ask.  Politely.  Preferably
   in English, or (failing that) in a recognisable pidgin.  Don't hold back
   on the relevant information either.  "It won't boot" is not good.

Andrew.

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Re: [parisc-linux] HP 9000 e25

[Jane Vinet]

Good advice...will notify the web design folks.

Jane
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Andrew Shugg wrote:

> I would suggest this page be changed a bit, like stick the mailing list
> down the bottom and change it to a link to the mailing list subscribe
> and browse-the-archives page, rather than simply the address of the
> list.  Also a comment about reading the FAQ.  Yes, the FAQ is in the
> left-hand side-bar but you can never over-do the help.  =)
> 
> One of my favourite comments along that line was on the windowmaker.org
> home page (sadly it has been removed).  It was something like "Please
> bear in mind that asking questions on the mailing list that are answered
> in the FAQ is NOT A GOOD IDEA."  <grin>
> 
> The FAQ on parisc-linux.org is also missing the all-important Q/A pair:
> 
> Q. I have a question that isn't answered in this FAQ?
> A. Please subscribe to the [mailing list] and ask.  Politely.  Preferably
>    in English, or (failing that) in a recognisable pidgin.  Don't hold back
>    on the relevant information either.  "It won't boot" is not good.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> --
> Andrew Shugg <andrew@neep.com.au>                   http://www.neep.com.au/
> 
> "Just remember, Mr Fawlty, there's always someone worse off than yourself."
> "Is there?  Well I'd like to meet him.  I could do with a good laugh."
> 
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Re: [parisc-linux] HP 9000 e25

[crypt]

Considering how often this question comes up is there anyone out there
that is interested in tracking down the info to port linux to this class
of box.

Server boxes may be classed as boring to some but there seem to be a
large number of people who have at least one of them sitting about doing
nothing.

Joe.

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Re: [parisc-linux] HP 9000 e25

[Andrew Shugg]

> Considering how often this question comes up is there anyone out there
> that is interested in tracking down the info to port linux to this class
> of box.
> 
> Server boxes may be classed as boring to some but there seem to be a
> large number of people who have at least one of them sitting about doing
> nothing.
> 
> Joe.

I don't perceive the problem to be a lack of willingness, or interest, but
has already been stated the older systems contain a lot of proprietry stuff
that isn't sufficiently documented for people to work on.

Maybe as the parisc port grows more popular and attracts more resources,
some enthusiastic people will get it happening.  =)

Andrew.

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"Is there?  Well I'd like to meet him.  I could do with a good laugh."

Re: [parisc-linux] HP 9000 e25

[Grant Grundler]

Andrew Shugg wrote:
> > Considering how often this question comes up is there anyone out there
> > that is interested in tracking down the info to port linux to this class
> > of box.
> > 
> > Server boxes may be classed as boring to some but there seem to be a
> > large number of people who have at least one of them sitting about doing
> > nothing.
> > 
> > Joe.
> 
> I don't perceive the problem to be a lack of willingness, or interest, but
> has already been stated the older systems contain a lot of proprietry stuff
> that isn't sufficiently documented for people to work on.

AFIAK, the chipsets for I/O devices in E25 have plenty of documentation.
The issue is someone has to clean them up and get a lawyer to approve
their publication. It's all about IP and avoiding lawsuits. This has
been discussed before.  Any HP employees interested in doing this "on
their own time" can contact me and I'll help locate unpublished docs.

Note that PDC is the same for Nova-Class (EFGHI-class) boxes as for
the workstations for the most part. So someone could start by just
trying to boot those boxes and see how far it gets before dying.


> Maybe as the parisc port grows more popular and attracts more resources,
> some enthusiastic people will get it happening.  =)

Having worked on the HPUX SCSI driver (scsi3 and scsi1) for E25 and
similar boxes, I question anyone's sanity who volunteers to write
drivers for SPIFI chips - even with full documentation. I would rather
give folks that interested in contributing a 715/33! (or my gosh /50's!)

Yes - I know folks who collect PDP's and keep them running in their
garage...'nuf said.

grant

Grant Grundler
Unix Systems Enablement Lab
+1.408.447.7253

Re: [parisc-linux] HP 9000 e25

[Andrew Shugg]

Grant Grundler said:
> AFIAK, the chipsets for I/O devices in E25 have plenty of
> documentation.  The issue is someone has to clean them up and get a
> lawyer to approve their publication.

My bad, I should've said "public documentation".  =)

*prods LC FAQ maintainers*

Andrew.

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"Is there?  Well I'd like to meet him.  I could do with a good laugh."