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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@timpanogas.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:29:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A0C76C0.CAC8B9D4@timpanogas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3A0C3F30.F5EB076E@timpanogas.org> <3A0C6B7C.110902B4@timpanogas.org> <3A0C6E01.EFA10590@timpanogas.org> <26054.973893835@euclid.cs.niu.edu> <8uhs7c$2hr$1@cesium.transmeta.com>



"H. Peter Anvin" wrote:
> 
> Followup to:  <26054.973893835@euclid.cs.niu.edu>
> By author:    Neil W Rickert <sendmail+rickert@sendmail.org>
> In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
> >
> > "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@timpanogas.org> wrote:
> >
> > >The problem of dropping connections on 2.4 was related to the O RefuseLA
> > >settings.  The defaults  in the RedHat, Suse, and OpenLinux RPMs are
> > >clearly set too low for modern Linux kernels.  You may want them cranked
> > >up to 100 or something if you want sendmail to always work.
> >
> > If a modern Linux kernel requires high load average defaults, I will
> > stop using Linux.
> >
> 
> Numerically high load averages aren't inherently a bad thing.  There
> isn't anything bad about a system with a loadavg of 20 if it does what
> it should in the time you'd expect.  However, if your daemons start
> blocking because they assume this number means badness, than that is
> the problem, not the loadavg in itself.

Well, here's what the sendmail folks **REAL** opinion of Linux is and
the way load average is calculated (senders name removed)

[... sendmail person ...]

 Ok, here's my blunt answer: Linux sucks.  Why does it have a load
> average of 10 if there are two processes running? Let's check the
> man page:
> 
>             and the three load averages for the system.  The load
>             averages  are  the average number of process ready to
>             run during the last 1, 5 and 15 minutes.   This  line
>             is  just  like  the  output of uptime(1).
> 
> So: Linux load average on these systems is broken.

So I guess we know where we stand with the sendmail folks.  If the US
post office delivered mail at Christmas time using a size based priority
the way sendmail does, folks would all get their Christmas presents
about mid-February unless O NumberOfPostalWorkers=20 was set high
enough.  

Jeff


> 
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> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-10 22:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <3A0C427A.E015E58A@timpanogas.org>
     [not found] ` <20001110095227.A15010@sendmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <3A0C37FF.23D7B69@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]     ` <20001110101138.A15087@sendmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <3A0C3F30.F5EB076E@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]         ` <20001110133431.A16169@sendmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <3A0C6B7C.110902B4@timpanogas.org>
2000-11-10 21:52             ` sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:03               ` Neil W Rickert
2000-11-10 22:05                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:18                   ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-10 22:22                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:32                       ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 22:31                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:23                   ` Richard A Nelson
2000-11-11 13:45                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-10 22:18                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-10 22:29                   ` Jeff V. Merkey [this message]
2000-11-11  1:44                     ` Ralf Baechle
2000-11-11  1:46                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11  3:16                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 11:54                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 18:03                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11  1:35                   ` Ralf Baechle
2000-11-11  1:42                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11  1:47                     ` Mohammad A. Haque
2000-11-10 23:25                 ` Davide Libenzi
2000-11-11 12:23                 ` (non)importance of loadaverages bert hubert
2000-11-10 22:52               ` sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue David Lang
2000-11-10 22:07                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:25                 ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 23:01                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11  7:57                     ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-11  8:23                   ` [OFF] Load avarage (Re: sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue) Kari E. Hurtta
2000-11-11  0:28               ` Wild thangs, was: sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue David Ford
2000-11-11  0:27                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11  0:46                   ` David Ford
2000-11-11  3:25                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11  2:41                       ` David Ford
2000-11-11  2:45                       ` Andrew Morton
2000-11-11  3:09                         ` Andrew Morton
2000-11-11  1:18                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-13 16:34                 ` [OT] " Bruce Guenter
2000-11-11 13:40               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-11 18:11                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 19:12                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-11 19:38                   ` J Sloan
2000-11-13  6:22                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-12  4:44                   ` Jesse Pollard
     [not found] <200011102251.eAAMp1I232107@saturn.cs.uml.edu>
2000-11-10 22:51 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 18:45 [Fwd: sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue] Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 18:52 ` William F. Maton
2000-11-10 18:52   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:05     ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-10 19:04       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:30         ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-10 19:46           ` Tim Walberg
2000-11-11 11:33             ` Dominik Kubla
2000-11-11 13:35               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-10 23:41         ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-11-10 22:34           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11  0:45             ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-11-10 23:40       ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-11-10 19:08     ` Richard A Nelson
2000-11-10 19:10       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:15       ` William F. Maton
2000-11-10 23:37     ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-11-10 19:34   ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-10 19:33     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 13:24       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-11 18:05         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:02 ` Richard A Nelson
2000-11-10 19:00   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:11     ` Richard A Nelson
2000-11-10 19:13       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:25         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-10 19:34   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 19:51     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-10 20:07       ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-10 20:21         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-10 20:27           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 20:36             ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-10 21:09             ` William F. Maton
2000-11-10 21:10               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 20:42           ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-11-10 20:47             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 20:59               ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 22:28                 ` Davide Libenzi
2000-11-10 21:16                   ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 22:19                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11  0:14               ` Igmar Palsenberg
2000-11-10 23:12                 ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 23:13                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11  1:15                     ` Steve VanDevender
2000-11-11  2:02                       ` David Ford
2000-11-11  3:20                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11  3:14                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 13:29                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-10 20:31         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-12  1:39         ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-13  2:58           ` David Ford
2000-11-11 13:20 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen

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