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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@timpanogas.org>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sendmail-bugs@sendmail.org
Subject: Re: sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:51:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A0C7BFA.7042E3CD@timpanogas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200011102251.eAAMp1I232107@saturn.cs.uml.edu>



[ ... named redacted by request ... ] wrote:
> 
> > Well, here's what the sendmail folks **REAL** opinion of Linux is and
> > the way load average is calculated (senders name removed)
> >
> > [... sendmail person ...]
> >
> >> Ok, here's my blunt answer: Linux sucks.  Why does it have a load
> >> average of 10 if there are two processes running? Let's check the
> >> man page:
> >>
> >>             and the three load averages for the system.  The load
> >>             averages  are  the average number of process ready to
> >>             run during the last 1, 5 and 15 minutes.   This  line
> >>             is  just  like  the  output of uptime(1).
> >>
> >> So: Linux load average on these systems is broken.
> 
> If that is _our_ man page, it is broken. (well, old) Otherwise,
> this is just a case of not mindlessly obeying the BSD "standard".
> 
> Linux 2.4.xx includes some blocked processes in the load average
> calculation. This is because the BSD load average calculation
> could give a load of 0.0 when the system is severely overloaded
> by IO. I think only uninterruptable processes got added in.
> 
> Maybe this isn't the best solution... there could have been
> a second load average for IO maybe.
> 
> Feel free to forward this to the sendmail people, to the BSD people
> in case they'd like to "standardize" the new calculation, or to the
> linux-kernel mailing list for discussion -- w/o my name please.

Forwarded at the request of a tier 1 Linux person after redacting their
name.

Jeff
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       reply	other threads:[~2000-11-10 22:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200011102251.eAAMp1I232107@saturn.cs.uml.edu>
2000-11-10 22:51 ` Jeff V. Merkey [this message]
     [not found] <3A0C427A.E015E58A@timpanogas.org>
     [not found] ` <20001110095227.A15010@sendmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <3A0C37FF.23D7B69@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]     ` <20001110101138.A15087@sendmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <3A0C3F30.F5EB076E@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]         ` <20001110133431.A16169@sendmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <3A0C6B7C.110902B4@timpanogas.org>
2000-11-10 21:52             ` sendmail fails to deliver mail with attachments in /var/spool/mqueue Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:03               ` Neil W Rickert
2000-11-10 22:05                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:18                   ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-10 22:22                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:32                       ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 22:31                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:23                   ` Richard A Nelson
2000-11-11 13:45                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-10 22:18                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-10 22:29                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11  1:44                     ` Ralf Baechle
2000-11-11  1:46                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11  3:16                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 11:54                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 18:03                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11  1:35                   ` Ralf Baechle
2000-11-11  1:42                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11  1:47                     ` Mohammad A. Haque
2000-11-10 23:25                 ` Davide Libenzi
2000-11-10 22:52               ` David Lang
2000-11-10 22:07                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-10 22:25                 ` Claus Assmann
2000-11-10 23:01                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-11  7:57                     ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-11 13:40               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-11 18:11                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-11 19:12                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2000-11-11 19:38                   ` J Sloan
2000-11-13  6:22                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-12  4:44                   ` Jesse Pollard

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