* System clock loses time at approx 17 secs per two hours
@ 2001-04-02 3:58 Eric Gillespie
2001-04-02 9:33 ` A.Sajjad Zaidi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Eric Gillespie @ 2001-04-02 3:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel
First off, CC: back to me, as my machine can't handle an estimated 200
messages a day for me to sign up to the list 8-( - Anyway..
I updated my kernel to 2.4.3 when the patch was released. (Tarballs -
wonderful things!)
However, I noticed that the kernel timer loses seconds over time with both the
2.4.2 and 2.4.3 kernels (seems to be at a steady rate...), and the rate of
loss is NOT related to the CMOS clock. I compared against a 2.2.18 kernel,
which lost about 1 second in 14 hours - about what I'd expect with my
machine).
Now, has anybody else noticed their 2.4.x kernel losing time? If so, and
anyone knows how I can fix it so it behaves like 2.2.18, I'd be grateful.
<offtopic>
Can't say I like the April Fools release on "behalf" of Linus.
</offtopic>
===================
Some relevant data:
Linux version 2.4.3 (root@brick.flying-brick.caverock.net.nz)
(gcc version 2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)) #2 Sat Mar 31 09:52:39 NZST 2001
Software present (among others)
Gnu C 2.95.3 Gnu make 3.77
binutils 2.9.5.0.31 Linux C Library 2.2.2
Dynamic linker (ldd) 2.2.2
Processor information (from /proc/cpuinfo) for a Cyrix-M II-300:
processor : 0
vendor_id : CyrixInstead
cpu family : 6
model : 2
model name : M II 3.5x Core/Bus Clock
stepping : 8
cpu MHz : 233.030
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags : fpu de tsc msr cx8 pge cmov mmx cyrix_arr
bogomips : 465.30
Loaded driver and hardware information (/proc/ioports, /proc/iomem)
==Drivers==
0000-001f : dma1
0020-003f : pic1
0040-005f : timer
0060-006f : keyboard
0080-008f : dma page reg
00a0-00bf : pic2
00c0-00df : dma2
00f0-00ff : fpu
0170-0177 : ide1
01f0-01f7 : ide0
0213-0213 : isapnp read
0220-022f : soundblaster
02f8-02ff : serial(auto)
0300-031f : eth0
0376-0376 : ide1
0388-038b : Yamaha OPL3
03c0-03df : vesafb
03f6-03f6 : ide0
0a79-0a79 : isapnp write
0cf8-0cff : PCI conf1
4000-400f : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE]
4000-4007 : ide0
4008-400f : ide1
e000-e07f : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA
==memory info==
00000000-0009efff : System RAM
000a0000-000bffff : Video RAM area
000c0000-000c7fff : Video ROM
000f0000-000fffff : System ROM
00100000-01cfffff : System RAM
00100000-001e9c4f : Kernel code
001e9c50-002445d7 : Kernel data
08000000-082fffff : vesafb
e1000000-e13fffff : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA
e1400000-e140ffff : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA
e1410000-e141ffff : Rockwell International HCF 56k V90 FaxModem
[7.5.] PCI information ('lspci -vvv' as root)
==PCI Information==
00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597 [SiS5582] (rev 10)
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort+ >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 64 set
00:01.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 85C503/5513 (rev 01)
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 0 set
00:01.1 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev d0) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 64 set
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 14
Region 0: I/O ports at <ignored>
Region 1: I/O ports at <ignored>
Region 2: I/O ports at <ignored>
Region 3: I/O ports at <ignored>
Region 4: I/O ports at 4000 [size=16]
00:0b.0 Serial controller: Rockwell International HCF 56k V90 FaxModem (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [8250])
Subsystem: Aztech System Ltd MDP3858SP-A SVD Modem
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 64 set
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11
Region 0: Memory at e1410000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 1
Flags: PMEClk- AuxPwr+ DSI+ D1+ D2+ PME+
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=3 PME-
00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA (rev 68) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
Subsystem: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0200
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 0
Region 0: Memory at e1000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4M]
Region 1: Memory at e1400000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Region 2: I/O ports at e000 [size=128]
Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=32K]
--
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* Re: System clock loses time at approx 17 secs per two hours
2001-04-02 3:58 System clock loses time at approx 17 secs per two hours Eric Gillespie
@ 2001-04-02 9:33 ` A.Sajjad Zaidi
2001-04-02 15:57 ` Gerhard Mack
0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: A.Sajjad Zaidi @ 2001-04-02 9:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric Gillespie; +Cc: linux-kernel
Have you considered using NTP (Network Time Protocol)?
A.Sajjad Zaidi
Eric Gillespie wrote:
> First off, CC: back to me, as my machine can't handle an estimated 200
> messages a day for me to sign up to the list 8-( - Anyway..
>
> I updated my kernel to 2.4.3 when the patch was released. (Tarballs -
> wonderful things!)
>
> However, I noticed that the kernel timer loses seconds over time with both the
> 2.4.2 and 2.4.3 kernels (seems to be at a steady rate...), and the rate of
> loss is NOT related to the CMOS clock. I compared against a 2.2.18 kernel,
> which lost about 1 second in 14 hours - about what I'd expect with my
> machine).
>
> Now, has anybody else noticed their 2.4.x kernel losing time? If so, and
> anyone knows how I can fix it so it behaves like 2.2.18, I'd be grateful.
>
> <offtopic>
> Can't say I like the April Fools release on "behalf" of Linus.
> </offtopic>
>
> ===================
> Some relevant data:
> Linux version 2.4.3 (root@brick.flying-brick.caverock.net.nz)
> (gcc version 2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)) #2 Sat Mar 31 09:52:39 NZST 2001
>
> Software present (among others)
> Gnu C 2.95.3 Gnu make 3.77
> binutils 2.9.5.0.31 Linux C Library 2.2.2
> Dynamic linker (ldd) 2.2.2
>
> Processor information (from /proc/cpuinfo) for a Cyrix-M II-300:
> processor : 0
> vendor_id : CyrixInstead
> cpu family : 6
> model : 2
> model name : M II 3.5x Core/Bus Clock
> stepping : 8
> cpu MHz : 233.030
> fdiv_bug : no
> hlt_bug : no
> f00f_bug : no
> coma_bug : no
> fpu : yes
> fpu_exception : yes
> cpuid level : 1
> wp : yes
> flags : fpu de tsc msr cx8 pge cmov mmx cyrix_arr
> bogomips : 465.30
>
> Loaded driver and hardware information (/proc/ioports, /proc/iomem)
> ==Drivers==
> 0000-001f : dma1
> 0020-003f : pic1
> 0040-005f : timer
> 0060-006f : keyboard
> 0080-008f : dma page reg
> 00a0-00bf : pic2
> 00c0-00df : dma2
> 00f0-00ff : fpu
> 0170-0177 : ide1
> 01f0-01f7 : ide0
> 0213-0213 : isapnp read
> 0220-022f : soundblaster
> 02f8-02ff : serial(auto)
> 0300-031f : eth0
> 0376-0376 : ide1
> 0388-038b : Yamaha OPL3
> 03c0-03df : vesafb
> 03f6-03f6 : ide0
> 0a79-0a79 : isapnp write
> 0cf8-0cff : PCI conf1
> 4000-400f : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE]
> 4000-4007 : ide0
> 4008-400f : ide1
> e000-e07f : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA
> ==memory info==
> 00000000-0009efff : System RAM
> 000a0000-000bffff : Video RAM area
> 000c0000-000c7fff : Video ROM
> 000f0000-000fffff : System ROM
> 00100000-01cfffff : System RAM
> 00100000-001e9c4f : Kernel code
> 001e9c50-002445d7 : Kernel data
> 08000000-082fffff : vesafb
> e1000000-e13fffff : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA
> e1400000-e140ffff : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA
> e1410000-e141ffff : Rockwell International HCF 56k V90 FaxModem
> [7.5.] PCI information ('lspci -vvv' as root)
> ==PCI Information==
>
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597 [SiS5582] (rev 10)
> Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
> Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort+ >SERR- <PERR-
> Latency: 64 set
>
> 00:01.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 85C503/5513 (rev 01)
> Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
> Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
> Latency: 0 set
>
> 00:01.1 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev d0) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
> Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
> Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
> Latency: 64 set
> Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 14
> Region 0: I/O ports at <ignored>
> Region 1: I/O ports at <ignored>
> Region 2: I/O ports at <ignored>
> Region 3: I/O ports at <ignored>
> Region 4: I/O ports at 4000 [size=16]
>
> 00:0b.0 Serial controller: Rockwell International HCF 56k V90 FaxModem (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [8250])
> Subsystem: Aztech System Ltd MDP3858SP-A SVD Modem
> Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
> Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
> Latency: 64 set
> Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11
> Region 0: Memory at e1410000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
> Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 1
> Flags: PMEClk- AuxPwr+ DSI+ D1+ D2+ PME+
> Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=3 PME-
>
> 00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA (rev 68) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
> Subsystem: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0200
> Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
> Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
> Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 0
> Region 0: Memory at e1000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4M]
> Region 1: Memory at e1400000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
> Region 2: I/O ports at e000 [size=128]
> Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=32K]
>
> --
> /| _,.:*^*:., |\ Cheers from the Viking family,
> | |_/' viking@ `\_| | including Pippin, our cat
> | flying-brick | $FunnyMail Bilbo : Now far ahead the Road has gone,
> \_.caverock.net.nz_/ 5.39 in LOTR : Let others follow it who can!
>
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* Re: System clock loses time at approx 17 secs per two hours
2001-04-02 9:33 ` A.Sajjad Zaidi
@ 2001-04-02 15:57 ` Gerhard Mack
0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Gerhard Mack @ 2001-04-02 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: A.Sajjad Zaidi; +Cc: Eric Gillespie, linux-kernel
My system loses time while I use the framebuffer.
Gerhard
On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, A.Sajjad Zaidi wrote:
> Have you considered using NTP (Network Time Protocol)?
>
> A.Sajjad Zaidi
>
>
> Eric Gillespie wrote:
>
> > First off, CC: back to me, as my machine can't handle an estimated 200
> > messages a day for me to sign up to the list 8-( - Anyway..
> >
> > I updated my kernel to 2.4.3 when the patch was released. (Tarballs -
> > wonderful things!)
> >
> > However, I noticed that the kernel timer loses seconds over time with both the
> > 2.4.2 and 2.4.3 kernels (seems to be at a steady rate...), and the rate of
> > loss is NOT related to the CMOS clock. I compared against a 2.2.18 kernel,
> > which lost about 1 second in 14 hours - about what I'd expect with my
> > machine).
> >
> > Now, has anybody else noticed their 2.4.x kernel losing time? If so, and
> > anyone knows how I can fix it so it behaves like 2.2.18, I'd be grateful.
> >
> > <offtopic>
> > Can't say I like the April Fools release on "behalf" of Linus.
> > </offtopic>
> >
> > ===================
> > Some relevant data:
> > Linux version 2.4.3 (root@brick.flying-brick.caverock.net.nz)
> > (gcc version 2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)) #2 Sat Mar 31 09:52:39 NZST 2001
> >
> > Software present (among others)
> > Gnu C 2.95.3 Gnu make 3.77
> > binutils 2.9.5.0.31 Linux C Library 2.2.2
> > Dynamic linker (ldd) 2.2.2
> >
> > Processor information (from /proc/cpuinfo) for a Cyrix-M II-300:
> > processor : 0
> > vendor_id : CyrixInstead
> > cpu family : 6
> > model : 2
> > model name : M II 3.5x Core/Bus Clock
> > stepping : 8
> > cpu MHz : 233.030
> > fdiv_bug : no
> > hlt_bug : no
> > f00f_bug : no
> > coma_bug : no
> > fpu : yes
> > fpu_exception : yes
> > cpuid level : 1
> > wp : yes
> > flags : fpu de tsc msr cx8 pge cmov mmx cyrix_arr
> > bogomips : 465.30
> >
> > Loaded driver and hardware information (/proc/ioports, /proc/iomem)
> > ==Drivers==
> > 0000-001f : dma1
> > 0020-003f : pic1
> > 0040-005f : timer
> > 0060-006f : keyboard
> > 0080-008f : dma page reg
> > 00a0-00bf : pic2
> > 00c0-00df : dma2
> > 00f0-00ff : fpu
> > 0170-0177 : ide1
> > 01f0-01f7 : ide0
> > 0213-0213 : isapnp read
> > 0220-022f : soundblaster
> > 02f8-02ff : serial(auto)
> > 0300-031f : eth0
> > 0376-0376 : ide1
> > 0388-038b : Yamaha OPL3
> > 03c0-03df : vesafb
> > 03f6-03f6 : ide0
> > 0a79-0a79 : isapnp write
> > 0cf8-0cff : PCI conf1
> > 4000-400f : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE]
> > 4000-4007 : ide0
> > 4008-400f : ide1
> > e000-e07f : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA
> > ==memory info==
> > 00000000-0009efff : System RAM
> > 000a0000-000bffff : Video RAM area
> > 000c0000-000c7fff : Video ROM
> > 000f0000-000fffff : System ROM
> > 00100000-01cfffff : System RAM
> > 00100000-001e9c4f : Kernel code
> > 001e9c50-002445d7 : Kernel data
> > 08000000-082fffff : vesafb
> > e1000000-e13fffff : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA
> > e1400000-e140ffff : Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA
> > e1410000-e141ffff : Rockwell International HCF 56k V90 FaxModem
> > [7.5.] PCI information ('lspci -vvv' as root)
> > ==PCI Information==
> >
> > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597 [SiS5582] (rev 10)
> > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
> > Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort+ >SERR- <PERR-
> > Latency: 64 set
> >
> > 00:01.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 85C503/5513 (rev 01)
> > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
> > Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
> > Latency: 0 set
> >
> > 00:01.1 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev d0) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
> > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
> > Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
> > Latency: 64 set
> > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 14
> > Region 0: I/O ports at <ignored>
> > Region 1: I/O ports at <ignored>
> > Region 2: I/O ports at <ignored>
> > Region 3: I/O ports at <ignored>
> > Region 4: I/O ports at 4000 [size=16]
> >
> > 00:0b.0 Serial controller: Rockwell International HCF 56k V90 FaxModem (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [8250])
> > Subsystem: Aztech System Ltd MDP3858SP-A SVD Modem
> > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
> > Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
> > Latency: 64 set
> > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11
> > Region 0: Memory at e1410000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
> > Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 1
> > Flags: PMEClk- AuxPwr+ DSI+ D1+ D2+ PME+
> > Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=3 PME-
> >
> > 00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5597/5598 VGA (rev 68) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
> > Subsystem: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0200
> > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
> > Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
> > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 0
> > Region 0: Memory at e1000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4M]
> > Region 1: Memory at e1400000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
> > Region 2: I/O ports at e000 [size=128]
> > Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=32K]
> >
> > --
> > /| _,.:*^*:., |\ Cheers from the Viking family,
> > | |_/' viking@ `\_| | including Pippin, our cat
> > | flying-brick | $FunnyMail Bilbo : Now far ahead the Road has gone,
> > \_.caverock.net.nz_/ 5.39 in LOTR : Let others follow it who can!
> >
> > -
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<>< As a computer I find your faith in technology amusing.
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