Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Wayne Gowcher]

Dear All,

I was wondering if anyone has any experience in
configuring the PCI registers in a PCI Video Card on a
MIPS board that has no BIOS like in a PC.

At the moment when I have some "home grown" PCI
probing routines based on my best interpretation of
the PCI spec. But it's not working.

I can probe the Base Address Register successfully,
determine the cards memory requirement and that it is
memory rather than mapped IO. But when I try to write
the address I have allocated to the PCI card ( eg
0xC000 0000 ) the address will not latch in the base
address register.

The card is designed for x86 PCs and when the PC bios
configures the card, the base address register has the
value 0xF200 0000.

Any comments from anybody with any insight into what
is happening here / or how I might fix my probelm,
would be greatly appreciated.

Does anyone know of any code that carries out PCI
probing similar to that found on x86 PC's ?

TIA 

Wayne

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Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Keith M Wesolowski]

On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 10:55:12PM -0700, Wayne Gowcher wrote:

> I can probe the Base Address Register successfully,
> determine the cards memory requirement and that it is
> memory rather than mapped IO. But when I try to write
> the address I have allocated to the PCI card ( eg
> 0xC000 0000 ) the address will not latch in the base
> address register.

Is that a valid bus address on your system?

> Does anyone know of any code that carries out PCI
> probing similar to that found on x86 PC's ?

Look in drivers/pci - that can scan the bus and such - it's generic
code used on many architectures.  Many systems lack "bios" and work
fine in linux.

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Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Geert Uytterhoeven]

On Wed, 9 May 2001, Wayne Gowcher wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has any experience in
> configuring the PCI registers in a PCI Video Card on a
> MIPS board that has no BIOS like in a PC.
> 
> At the moment when I have some "home grown" PCI
> probing routines based on my best interpretation of
> the PCI spec. But it's not working.
> 
> I can probe the Base Address Register successfully,
> determine the cards memory requirement and that it is
> memory rather than mapped IO. But when I try to write
> the address I have allocated to the PCI card ( eg
> 0xC000 0000 ) the address will not latch in the base
> address register.
> 
> The card is designed for x86 PCs and when the PC bios
> configures the card, the base address register has the
> value 0xF200 0000.
> 
> Any comments from anybody with any insight into what
> is happening here / or how I might fix my probelm,
> would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Does anyone know of any code that carries out PCI
> probing similar to that found on x86 PC's ?

Initialising video cards is a real PITA. The simplest method is to use a x86
BIOS emulator to execute the code in the video BIOS on the card.

Note that some cards (mostly older cards) power up in VGA legacy mode. They
will not respond to PCI memory space as specified by the BAR before you tell
them to do so (in a card-specific way :-(

Most modern cards power up in PCI mode. However, to use them, you still have to
know the card-specific initialization sequence.

BTW, what video card do you have? If you're lucky and have a Matrox Millennium,
you can use matroxfb, which knows how to initialize uninitialized cards.

Good luck!

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

						Geert

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Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Pete Popov]

Wayne Gowcher wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has any experience in
> configuring the PCI registers in a PCI Video Card on a
> MIPS board that has no BIOS like in a PC.
> 
> At the moment when I have some "home grown" PCI
> probing routines based on my best interpretation of
> the PCI spec. But it's not working.
> 
> I can probe the Base Address Register successfully,
> determine the cards memory requirement and that it is
> memory rather than mapped IO. But when I try to write
> the address I have allocated to the PCI card ( eg
> 0xC000 0000 ) the address will not latch in the base
> address register.
> 
> The card is designed for x86 PCs and when the PC bios
> configures the card, the base address register has the
> value 0xF200 0000.
> 
> Any comments from anybody with any insight into what
> is happening here / or how I might fix my probelm,
> would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Does anyone know of any code that carries out PCI
> probing similar to that found on x86 PC's ?

The boot code on our mips boards, whether some version of pmon or yamon
does that initialization.  The powerpc guys have implemented pci
scanning scheme that allows the kernel to complete initialize pretty
much arbitrarily complex pci bus systems with pci-to-pci bridges etc.  I
hope I'll have time to someday port that to mips. I don't think you can
wait till then :-)

Are you really trying to assign 0xC000 0000 to the card or was that just
an example address?  Unless your pci to memory window is such that
there's a translation that occurs, that address is incorrect.  If the
window is 1:1, the physical address 0xC000 0000 does not exist.  You
need to assign the card a real physical address; if your system has 32MB
of memory, than that address would have to be between 0 and 0x2000000. 
(well, you can't give it address "0" because of interrupt vectors, but
you get the point). I can point you to some examples if you have
problems. 

Pete

Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Geert Uytterhoeven]

On Thu, 10 May 2001, Pete Popov wrote:
> Are you really trying to assign 0xC000 0000 to the card or was that just
> an example address?  Unless your pci to memory window is such that
> there's a translation that occurs, that address is incorrect.  If the
> window is 1:1, the physical address 0xC000 0000 does not exist.  You
> need to assign the card a real physical address; if your system has 32MB
> of memory, than that address would have to be between 0 and 0x2000000. 
> (well, you can't give it address "0" because of interrupt vectors, but
> you get the point). I can point you to some examples if you have
> problems. 

If you have 32 MB of RAM and you put a PCI card at an address between 0 and
0x2000000 you'll have a problem! PCI cards must not overlap with real memory.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

						Geert

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Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Pete Popov]

Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 10 May 2001, Pete Popov wrote:
> > Are you really trying to assign 0xC000 0000 to the card or was that just
> > an example address?  Unless your pci to memory window is such that
> > there's a translation that occurs, that address is incorrect.  If the
> > window is 1:1, the physical address 0xC000 0000 does not exist.  You
> > need to assign the card a real physical address; if your system has 32MB
> > of memory, than that address would have to be between 0 and 0x2000000.
> > (well, you can't give it address "0" because of interrupt vectors, but
> > you get the point). I can point you to some examples if you have
> > problems.
> 
> If you have 32 MB of RAM and you put a PCI card at an address between 0 and
> 0x2000000 you'll have a problem! PCI cards must not overlap with real memory.

Sorry Wayne, I'm working on an ethernet driver and was thinking of
descriptors and data buffers for PCI ethernet cards, which have to be in
real physical memory. Geert is right, but 0xC000 0000 still seems
suspicious.  That's a very high physical address and pci devices are
usually mapped at lower addresses. Something like 0x2000 0000 is more
reasonable and makes accessing the card through kseg1 possible. 

Pete

Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Wayne Gowcher]

Geert, Pete,

Thanks for your input, it makes me question things I
should have questioned before.

0xC000 0000 is the actual address I am trying to use.
I used it because another PCI card that I have a
driver for was using it and so I just carried on its
use. I didnt really question the value or its use. But
obviously it works for that card.

After your emails I revisited that code and now I
partially understand why it works. The chip has an
internal bus that translates address requests
internally. So when i write to 0xC000 0000 it would
never make to the actual address lines of the chip and
instead be routed to the PCI controller ( I think :) )

The original card i had a problem had an ATI Rage
chip. I am now experimenting with a VGA card with a
Cirrus Logic chip. I've got this card to accept the
programmed base address and am in teh process of
studying clgenfb.c to see if I can modify it to my
needs. 
On first inspection clgenfb.c is written for the
Amiga??? and so I am trying to weed out the
dependencies. If anyone knows of a more generic driver
it would be much appreciated.

Wayne

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Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Pete Popov]

Wayne Gowcher wrote:
> 
> Geert, Pete,
> 
> Thanks for your input, it makes me question things I
> should have questioned before.

> 0xC000 0000 is the actual address I am trying to use.
> I used it because another PCI card that I have a
> driver for was using it and so I just carried on its
> use. I didnt really question the value or its use. But
> obviously it works for that card.

And this driver works on mips?  When you read the base mem register from
this card that works, it says "0xC0000000"?

> After your emails I revisited that code and now I
> partially understand why it works. The chip has an
> internal bus that translates address requests
> internally. So when i write to 0xC000 0000 it would
> never make to the actual address lines of the chip and
> instead be routed to the PCI controller ( I think :) )

I'm not clear on how this works with the good driver. If you write to
0xC000 0000, that's a mips virtual address in the kseg2 region, which is
a mapped region.  So what physical address you put on the bus when you
write to 0xC000 0000 depends on the tlb entry you've setup.  If 0xC000
0000 is truly a PCI memory physical address, then you need to setup a
tlb entry that maps some virtual address to the physical address 0xC000
0000.  I doubt you want to muck with that and would suggest you redo
your PCI bus memory map so that the PCI bus is at a lower address, like
0x1000 0000. You can then access physical 0x1000 0000 through virtual
address 0xB000 0000 (kseg1). I think you already told me, but what
board/CPU are you working with?

Pete

Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Wayne Gowcher]

Pete,

I think I am in "dopey" mode this morning. 

The 0xC000 0000 I was talking about comes from another
board I was working on recently that mapped a
comapnion chip into kseg2 space. It seems it's been
burnt into my brain :(

The working PCI card is actually mapped to 0xA200
0000, and I am using that for the VGA card. My
comments about the address translation were totally
wrong. Sorry for any confusion.

Time for a coffee and a long rethink :)



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Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Keith M Wesolowski]

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:12:57AM -0700, Pete Popov wrote:

> I'm not clear on how this works with the good driver. If you write to
> 0xC000 0000, that's a mips virtual address in the kseg2 region, which is
> a mapped region.  So what physical address you put on the bus when you
> write to 0xC000 0000 depends on the tlb entry you've setup.  If 0xC000
> 0000 is truly a PCI memory physical address, then you need to setup a

Repeat after me until done: BAR values have nothing to do with CPU
addresses.  If your PCI bus happens to map PCI memory location 0 onto
physical address 0, then they are the same.  That's almost certainly
not the case.  Otherwise, an address in a BAR is the *PCI bus
address*, NOT a CPU physical address.

A simple example: a PCI bridge exists in a system.  It is wired into
the CPU address bus such that it responds to 0x18000000-0x19ffffff
physical.  On the other side of the bridge, it maps
0x00000000-0x7fffffff bus addresses onto physical memory (for DMA),
and 0x80000000-0xffffffff onto PCI memory space (for PIO).  The bridge
translates addresses such that:

bus_address_for_BARs == 0x80000000 + (cpu_physical_address - 0x18000000)
bus_address_for_DMA == cpu_physical_address

and, of course,

cpu_virtual_address_for_pointers == KSEG[01]ADDR (cpu_physical_address)

In the example above, the PCI bus is mapped into CPU memory such that
it can be accessed via ksegX, which is normal.  If it were mapped at,
for example, 0x40000000, that would not be the case and you would need
a TLB entry.  Note that for mips64, you can use KPHYS to access any
physical address; ie it need not be below 0x20000000.

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Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Pete Popov]

Keith M Wesolowski wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:12:57AM -0700, Pete Popov wrote:
> 
> > I'm not clear on how this works with the good driver. If you write to
> > 0xC000 0000, that's a mips virtual address in the kseg2 region, which is
> > a mapped region.  So what physical address you put on the bus when you
> > write to 0xC000 0000 depends on the tlb entry you've setup.  If 0xC000
> > 0000 is truly a PCI memory physical address, then you need to setup a

> Repeat after me until done: BAR values have nothing to do with CPU
> addresses.  If your PCI bus happens to map PCI memory location 0 onto
> physical address 0, then they are the same.  That's almost certainly
> not the case.  Otherwise, an address in a BAR is the *PCI bus
> address*, NOT a CPU physical address.

Wayne's email indicated, if I understood it correctly, that he is trying
to access the card's registers by writing to 0xC000 0000, after he has
written 0xC000 0000 to the BAR. That address cannot be an address that
the host to pci controller understands as PCI memory address because it
overlaps with kseg2. So if 0xC000 0000 is the correct address to write
in the BAR, then he needs to access the card's registers through the PCI
mem region that looks something like your example below.  But if his
memory map is 1:1, then 0xC000 0000 is the wrong value to write to that
register.

> A simple example: a PCI bridge exists in a system.  It is wired into
> the CPU address bus such that it responds to 0x18000000-0x19ffffff
> physical.  On the other side of the bridge, it maps
> 0x00000000-0x7fffffff bus addresses onto physical memory (for DMA),
> and 0x80000000-0xffffffff onto PCI memory space (for PIO).  The bridge
> translates addresses such that:

> bus_address_for_BARs == 0x80000000 + (cpu_physical_address - 0x18000000)
> bus_address_for_DMA == cpu_physical_address

> and, of course,

> cpu_virtual_address_for_pointers == KSEG[01]ADDR (cpu_physical_address)

> In the example above, the PCI bus is mapped into CPU memory such that
> it can be accessed via ksegX, which is normal.  If it were mapped at,
> for example, 0x40000000, that would not be the case and you would need
> a TLB entry.  Note that for mips64, you can use KPHYS to access any
> physical address; ie it need not be below 0x20000000.

Netscape on linux-mipsel ??

[Wayne Gowcher]

Dear All,

Does anyone know if Netscape or any other browser has
been compiled to run on linux mipsel ? All I can find
so far are "x86" source for netscape.

If it has, care to tell me the links where I may get
it ?

Alternatively, if no one knows of anyone having a
working linux mipsel Netscape binary / rpm. Anyone
care to guess the scope of attempting to modify the
x86 or mips-sgi-irix sources to run on mips ?

TIA

Wayne



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Re: Netscape on linux-mipsel ??

[Pete Popov]

Wayne Gowcher wrote:

>Dear All,
>
>Does anyone know if Netscape or any other browser has
>been compiled to run on linux mipsel ? All I can find
>so far are "x86" source for netscape.
>
>If it has, care to tell me the links where I may get
>it ?
>
>Alternatively, if no one knows of anyone having a
>working linux mipsel Netscape binary / rpm. Anyone
>care to guess the scope of attempting to modify the
>x86 or mips-sgi-irix sources to run on mips ?
>
We're pretty close on having both, be and le mips binaries.  You'll need 
a graphics card which has frame buffer driver support so that X can run 
on top of the FBdev driver.  Check with me again "later".

Pete

Re: Netscape on linux-mipsel ??

[Ralf Baechle]

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:23:42PM -0700, Wayne Gowcher wrote:

> Does anyone know if Netscape or any other browser has
> been compiled to run on linux mipsel ? All I can find
> so far are "x86" source for netscape.
> 
> If it has, care to tell me the links where I may get
> it ?
> 
> Alternatively, if no one knows of anyone having a
> working linux mipsel Netscape binary / rpm. Anyone
> care to guess the scope of attempting to modify the
> x86 or mips-sgi-irix sources to run on mips ?

If you check more exactly you'll find that all the sources are actually
binaries ...

I had Mozilla running on Linux/MIPS three years ago but didn't continue
to debug it.  Getting it to work shouldn't be rocket science.  The text
mode browsers lynx, w3m or link just work.

  Ralf

Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Jun Sun]

Keith M Wesolowski wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:12:57AM -0700, Pete Popov wrote:
> 
> > I'm not clear on how this works with the good driver. If you write to
> > 0xC000 0000, that's a mips virtual address in the kseg2 region, which is
> > a mapped region.  So what physical address you put on the bus when you
> > write to 0xC000 0000 depends on the tlb entry you've setup.  If 0xC000
> > 0000 is truly a PCI memory physical address, then you need to setup a
> 
> Repeat after me until done: BAR values have nothing to do with CPU
> addresses.  If your PCI bus happens to map PCI memory location 0 onto
> physical address 0, then they are the same.  That's almost certainly
> not the case.  Otherwise, an address in a BAR is the *PCI bus
> address*, NOT a CPU physical address.
> 

Keith,

What you said is right in theory.  However not correct in practice.

Most drivers read BAR address (in PCI memory space) and do ioremap() to get
(usually uncached) virtual address to access the PCI memory region.  On mips,
the default ioremap() essentially does 1 to 1 mapping from PCI meory space to
physical address space and then further maps it into KSEG1.

That pretty much mandates each MIPS port must maintain 1:1 mapping between the
PCI memory space and CPU physical space - unless you enjoy the fun of hacking
with PCI fixups.


> A simple example: a PCI bridge exists in a system.  It is wired into
> the CPU address bus such that it responds to 0x18000000-0x19ffffff
> physical.  On the other side of the bridge, it maps
> 0x00000000-0x7fffffff bus addresses onto physical memory (for DMA),
> and 0x80000000-0xffffffff onto PCI memory space (for PIO).  The bridge
> translates addresses such that:
> 
> bus_address_for_BARs == 0x80000000 + (cpu_physical_address - 0x18000000)
> bus_address_for_DMA == cpu_physical_address
> 
> and, of course,
> 
> cpu_virtual_address_for_pointers == KSEG[01]ADDR (cpu_physical_address)
> 
> In the example above, the PCI bus is mapped into CPU memory such that
> it can be accessed via ksegX, which is normal.  If it were mapped at,
> for example, 0x40000000, that would not be the case and you would need
> a TLB entry.  Note that for mips64, you can use KPHYS to access any
> physical address; ie it need not be below 0x20000000.
> 
> --
> Keith M Wesolowski <wesolows@foobazco.org> http://foobazco.org/~wesolows
> ------(( Project Foobazco Coordinator and Network Administrator ))------
>         "Nothing motivates a man more than to see his boss put
>          in an honest day's work." -- The fortune file

Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Wayne Gowcher]

Guys,

Sorry for all the confusion, and subsequent traffic as
a result of my mistakes.

I'm still feeling my way with regards to programming
the PCI and have mixed up terms and addresses.

Just for the record :

In actual fact the PCI code is writing physical
addresses to the Base Address Register, eg 0x02000000.
Then later on when the driver is initialising itself
it reads the BAR and adds on KSEG1 :

dev->base_addr = KSEG1ADDR(base_addr);

It is this "dev->base_addr" that gets reported to me
on boot up ( 0xA2000000 ) as being the base address of
the device. The 0xC000 0000 I wrote in my first mail
was from another problem I had been working and was
somehow burned into my brain.

There is nothing like someone questioning one's
assumptions to make one re-evaluate those assumptions.
For this I am grateful to those people, for spotting
the gaping whole of my mistake and bringing it to my
attention. For me at least it has been very useful in
that respect.

I still would like to understand PCI issues more
particularly with respect to so called "legacy PCi
devices" VGA, sound card etc. So if anyone would like
to mail me off the list with tips / reading they have
found useful, it would be most appreciated.

Wayne

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Re: Configuration of PCI Video card on a BIOS-less board

[Geert Uytterhoeven]

On Thu, 10 May 2001, Wayne Gowcher wrote:
> The original card i had a problem had an ATI Rage
> chip. I am now experimenting with a VGA card with a
> Cirrus Logic chip. I've got this card to accept the
> programmed base address and am in teh process of
> studying clgenfb.c to see if I can modify it to my
> needs. 
> On first inspection clgenfb.c is written for the
> Amiga??? and so I am trying to weed out the
> dependencies. If anyone knows of a more generic driver
> it would be much appreciated.

Clgenfb supports both Amiga Zorro cards with a Cirrus Logic chip and PCI cards.
Note that it may depend on some chip initialisation already been done.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

						Geert

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