[parisc-linux] List of packages for hppa ISO release version 2

[parisc-linux] List of packages for hppa ISO release version 2

[Matt Taggart]

Hi binary-hppa addicts,

Here's version 2 of the list of packages for the ISO release. First the 
changes,

Added
-----
apt/apt-utils (thanks to Paul Bame)
binutils-hppa64
gcc-hppa64
gdb-hppa
autoconf2.13
ipmasqadm
iptables
libft-perl
libttf2
python-newt
sirc
strace
task-c++-dev
task-c-dev
task-devel-common

Removed
-------
ssh (I accidentally forgot to remove it from the last list)

Obsolete/local (installed but not in the archive)
--------------
libstdc++2.1 (known, ok)
libstdc++3.0 (known, ok) 
man-db  (?)
apt/apt-utils (needs to be uploaded to debian)
binutils-hppa64  \
gcc-hppa64        - unofficial debs, on pehc
gdb-hppa         /
termwrap (Richard's alien'd hack)

Dependency issues
-----------------
debconf pre-depends on perl-base (>= 5.6.1)
perl-modules depends on perl-base (= 5.6.1-3)
perl-modules depends on perl-base (= 5.6.1-3)
perl depends on perl-modules (= 5.6.0-21)

lwresd recommends libnss-lwres
libnss-lwres does not appear to be available


The list of packages is at,

http://puffin.external.hp.com/~taggart/selections.20010529

Thanks,

-- 
Matt Taggart        Linux Development Lab
taggart@fc.hp.com   HP Linux Systems Operation

[parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release version 2

[Pete]

> ssh (I accidentally forgot to remove it from the last list)

Can I ask the reason why this is being taken out?



Pete.

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release version 2

[Grant Grundler]

"Pete" wrote:
> Can I ask the reason why this is being taken out?

ssh is subject to US export restrictions. We can't export
a CD image with it either.
Debian has it in "non-us" section for the same reason - so it can be
built/distributed "off-shore". Stupid, but that's the law here, now.

grant

Grant Grundler
parisc-linux {PCI|IOMMU|SMP} hacker
+1.408.447.7253

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release version 2

[Alan Cox]

> ssh is subject to US export restrictions. We can't export
> a CD image with it either.

US export rules were significantly relaxed over the past year. The bad days
are mostly gone providing you dont ship from the USA directly to Cuba, Iraq
and other countries the US doesnt like (eg Afghanistan, except when the US
govt is sending them huge amounts of money)

Alan

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release version 2

[Grant Grundler]

Alan Cox wrote:
> US export rules were significantly relaxed over the past year.

I can only speculate how much of that is pressure from US SW industry
vs RSA patent expiring changing the influence of lobbyists.

>  The bad days
> are mostly gone providing you dont ship from the USA directly to Cuba, Iraq
> and other countries the US doesnt like (eg Afghanistan, except when the US
> govt is sending them huge amounts of money)

Well, internet still doesn't know where Cuba begins or ends exactly...
and the USA gov knows where to find me. :^(

grant

Grant Grundler
parisc-linux {PCI|IOMMU|SMP} hacker
+1.408.447.7253

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release version 2

[Alan Cox]

> Well, internet still doesn't know where Cuba begins or ends exactly...
> and the USA gov knows where to find me. :^(

Talk to hpa@transmeta.com and quinlan@transmeta.com

They did the paperwork needed to throw crypto up on ftp.kernel.org and probably
know the right contacts

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release version 2

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 04:16:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> US export rules were significantly relaxed over the past year. The bad days
> are mostly gone providing you dont ship from the USA directly to Cuba, Iraq
> and other countries the US doesnt like (eg Afghanistan, except when the US
> govt is sending them huge amounts of money)

Debian still make the distinction (though a lawyer is being consulted
imminently, I hear).  We don't have the inclination to go through all
the lawyering ourselves at this point, so we decided to not ship non-us
packages on the CD.  There's nothing to stop anyone accessing the debian
non-us archive, where you will find ssh, ircii, krb5, lynx-ssl, apache-ssl,
gnupg, postgres and many other good things.

-- 
Revolutions do not require corporate support.

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release version 2

[herrold]

On Wed, 30 May 2001, Grant Grundler wrote:

> "Pete" wrote:
> > Can I ask the reason why this is being taken out?
>
> ssh is subject to US export restrictions. We can't export
> a CD image with it either.
> Debian has it in "non-us" section for the same reason - so it can be
> built/distributed "off-shore". Stupid, but that's the law here, now.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the US ITAR regulations were
relaxed over a year ago for non-commercial distribution after a
single notification.  The relevant RSA patent is expired for six
months.  Please contact me offlist if any questions -- the OpenSSH
and OpenSSL packages seem like no-brainers ...

(I am a lawyer, although not _your_ lawyer, and 'read and write
this "code" proficiently)

-- Russ

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release version 2

[Matt Taggart]

herrold writes...

> On Wed, 30 May 2001, Grant Grundler wrote:
> 
> > "Pete" wrote:
> > > Can I ask the reason why this is being taken out?
> >
> > ssh is subject to US export restrictions. We can't export
> > a CD image with it either.
> > Debian has it in "non-us" section for the same reason - so it can be
> > built/distributed "off-shore". Stupid, but that's the law here, now.
> 
> Not to put too fine a point on it, but the US ITAR regulations were
> relaxed over a year ago for non-commercial distribution after a
> single notification.  The relevant RSA patent is expired for six
> months.  Please contact me offlist if any questions -- the OpenSSH
> and OpenSSL packages seem like no-brainers ...

My, non-legal-word-of-mouth-only, understanding is that the BXA still need to 
be contacted for each release. I'm not sure what that entails but it doesn't 
sound like freedom to me. IMHO, there's something to be said for following the 
letter of the law to make a political point.

FYI- we did decide to ship bind9 which is also in non-US because bind upstream 
has gone through the effort required for export.

Anyway given that we plan to release in the next day or so, we don't have time 
to deal with it anyway. Maybe we'll have figured it out for the next release, 
and hopefully Debian will have solved it for us before then. For now point at 
non-US.

-- 
Matt Taggart        Linux Development Lab
taggart@fc.hp.com   HP Linux Systems Operation