RE: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release vers ion 2

RE: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release vers ion 2

[CARSON,KEVIN (HP-Canada,ex1)]

Howabout having the master archive in another country (like France) and all
sites in the US being mirrors of the site?  Import of cryptology into the US
is legal.  Debian has this structure as there are mirrors of non-US in the
US and Canada.

I believe this puts the burden of maintaining the ssh stuff on the master
site.  Is that untenable?

Kevin

All opinions are mine and are no way even vaguely related to my employer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Grant Grundler [mailto:grundler@puffin.external.hp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:19 AM
To: Alan Cox
Cc: parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org
Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release
version 2 


Alan Cox wrote:
> US export rules were significantly relaxed over the past year.

I can only speculate how much of that is pressure from US SW industry
vs RSA patent expiring changing the influence of lobbyists.

>  The bad days
> are mostly gone providing you dont ship from the USA directly to Cuba,
Iraq
> and other countries the US doesnt like (eg Afghanistan, except when the US
> govt is sending them huge amounts of money)

Well, internet still doesn't know where Cuba begins or ends exactly...
and the USA gov knows where to find me. :^(

grant

Grant Grundler
parisc-linux {PCI|IOMMU|SMP} hacker
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Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release vers ion 2

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 12:00:36PM -0400, CARSON,KEVIN (HP-Canada,ex1) wrote:
> Howabout having the master archive in another country (like France) and all
> sites in the US being mirrors of the site?  Import of cryptology into the US
> is legal.  Debian has this structure as there are mirrors of non-US in the
> US and Canada.

The price of bandwidth is an important factor.  ftp-master takes in 300MB
over the course of a day and then pulses that 300MB to 6 other servers
once a day.  This option has been discussed before; if you think you have
a solution, I'm sure there's an appropriate debian mailing list for it
(not sure which one though).

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Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release vers ion 2

[Andrew Shugg]

Matthew Wilcox said:
> The price of bandwidth is an important factor.  ftp-master takes in 300MB
> over the course of a day and then pulses that 300MB to 6 other servers
> once a day.  This option has been discussed before; if you think you have
> a solution, I'm sure there's an appropriate debian mailing list for it
> (not sure which one though).

... and this year has already seen the death of one major node (Canada)
due to bandwidth costs.  =(

On www.debian.org there are the details of all the mailing lists, and
there is at least one dedicated to the maintenance of FTP mirrors - I
think it's called debian-mirror or something equally imaginative.

Andrew.

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Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release vers ion 2

[Bdale Garbee]

kevin_carson@hp.com (CARSON,KEVIN HP-Canada,ex1) writes:

> Howabout having the master archive in another country (like France) 

France reportedly has some of the most evil crypto laws on the planet.  It
would not be a good country to host in.

The Debian project in general goes around and around about this, there's a
team seeking explicit legal guidance right now which may resolve the issue
for good.

Bdale

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: List of packages for hppa ISO release vers ion 2

[Matthieu Delahaye]

Bdale Garbee wrote:
> France reportedly has some of the most evil crypto laws on the planet.  It
> would not be a good country to host in.

You're right. To give an overview:
France signed Wassenaar accords. As an implementation of it,
France began to completely forgive using of cryptographics tools
in 1995. Then, in 1999, using  of cryptographic tools were completely
allowed to use as an authentification means. But if you want to use them
in order to keep confidential your documents/sessions, it become quite
complicated... France makes distinction between importing, exporting,
using and giving a such tool. More over law change if you use it for
private
use or for your work. So, nobody knows really what we can really can do
with
these tools but lawyers, but I haven't one.
The current debate in France is that now french government want to
certificate 
tools release by release. If it could be a great issue for commercial
software,
it is not for free software, which version numbers are changing almost
every time. 

I just give here an overview. It's more complicated than it, but it's
the essential.
If someone think US law is too restrictive, just have a look on french
law ;-)
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Matthieu Delahaye
ESIEE Team
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