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From: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>
To: Patrick Mochel <mochel@osdl.org>
Cc: benh@kernel.crashing.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Padraig Brady <padraig@antefacto.com>,
	Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cantab.net>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:18:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CD8DF5A.9070402@evision-ventures.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0205071053070.6307-100000@segfault.osdl.org>

Uz.ytkownik Patrick Mochel napisa?:
> On Tue, 7 May 2002 benh@kernel.crashing.org wrote:
> 
> 
>>>	/driverfs/root/pci0/00:1f.4/usb_bus/000/
>>>
>>>and it wouldn't be impossible (or even necessarily very hard) to make an
>>>IDE controller export the "IDE device tree" the same way a USB controller
>>>now exports the "USB device tree".
>>>
>>>For things like hotplug etc, I think driverfs is eventually the only way
>>>to go, simply because it gives you the full (and unambiguous) path to
>>>_any_ device, and is completely bus-agnostic.
>>>
>>>But there is definitely a potential backwards-compatibility-issue.
>>
>>One interesting thing here would be to have some optional link between
>>the bus-oriented device tree and the function-oriented tree (ie. devfs
>>or simply /dev). For example, an IDE node in driverfs could eventually
>>hold symlinks to the entries it provides in /dev when using devfs (or
>>just provide major/minor when not using devfs).
> 
> 
> I agree with such a concept, but as Linus said, it should go the other 
> way, from the functional interface to physical interface. There are many 
> details involved in doing such a thing, but it should work something like 
> this:
> 
> The logical subystems (ide disks, networking, etc) would register with the 
> device model core and get a directory in driverfs:
> 
> /driverfs/class/ide/
> 
> Devices would be discovered and get a driverfs directory representing the 
> physical location of the device:
> 
> /driverfs/root/pci0/07.2/
> 
> Note that no drivers have been bound to the device. When the driver is 
> bound, it registers the device with the subsystem, passing in a 
> subsystem-specific structure. These can be made to point in some way to 
> the generic struct device of the device (from which the physical path can 
> be inferred).
> 
> When this happens, the subsystem creates a directory underneath its 
> driverfs directory, so you get:
> 
> /driverfs/class/ide/0/
> 
> And, a symlink is created to point to the directory in the physical path. 
> As the driver discovers partitions on the device, it can create special 
> nodes in its class directory. 
> 
> At this point, userspace can be notified (via /sbin/hotplug). That can 
> create symlinks in /dev to the nodes that were just created, emulating 
> current /dev behavior. 
> 
> So, what does this do? To an extent, it reengineers the funtionality of 
> devfs. I'll be the first to admit it. However, it centers less around the 
> filesystem, and more on the device model core. 
> 
> Most devices already register with their subsystems, so having the 
> subsystesm pass device info onto the core is relatively easy. 
> 
> As partitions are discovered, you get paths like:
> 
> /driverfs/class/ide/0/2

Just a side note...
Please please name it /devices/ Some old boys like me (age 30)
can gain from similarities with some quite common "legacy" systems.
We don't have to "invent" for the sake of it.

And /devices/ is the way I have named it in the corresponding
documentation.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-05-08  9:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 221+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-06  3:53 Linux-2.5.14 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-06  6:30 ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-06  6:51   ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-06 15:13   ` Linux-2.5.14 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07  4:28     ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-09  3:53     ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-09  4:34       ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-09  6:02         ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-06  6:47 ` Linux-2.5.14 bert hubert
2002-05-06  7:07   ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-06 14:00     ` Linux-2.5.14 Rik van Riel
2002-05-06  9:09 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 55 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-06 17:48   ` David Lang
2002-05-06 22:40   ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:10     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:31       ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:31         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 10:34           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:48             ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 11:19               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:35                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 12:36                 ` Andrey Panin
2002-05-07 11:32                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:38                 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07  0:03   ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:12     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:39       ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:40         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:42           ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 11:22 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:02   ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 13:15     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:30       ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 15:08       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 15:36         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 16:20           ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-07 15:26             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 21:36               ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-08  0:25                 ` Guest section DW
2002-05-08  3:03                   ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-08  9:03                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:10                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 10:51                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 16:29           ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 16:51             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:29               ` Kai Henningsen
2002-05-08  7:48               ` Juan Quintela
2002-05-08 16:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:08             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-07 17:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:19                 ` benh
2002-05-07 17:24                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:30                     ` benh
2002-05-10  1:45                       ` Mike Fedyk
2002-05-07 17:43                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:05                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:26                         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-07 18:16                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:40                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:46                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 23:54                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-08  6:57                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-05-08  9:37                                   ` Ian Molton
2002-05-09 13:58                                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-08  8:21                               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 17:27                   ` Jauder Ho
2002-05-08  8:13                     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 18:29                   ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 18:02                     ` Greg KH
2002-05-07 18:44                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:44                       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 19:21                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 19:58                           ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 18:49                     ` Thunder from the hill
2002-05-07 19:47                       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 22:03                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-08  8:14                           ` Russell King
2002-05-08 16:07                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-08 17:07                               ` Russell King
2002-05-08  8:18                     ` Martin Dalecki [this message]
2002-05-08  8:07                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08  7:58                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:18                   ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 11:09                     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:42                       ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 11:23                         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-09  2:37                         ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09  3:10                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-09 10:05                             ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09 18:50                               ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-10  0:33                                 ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-10  0:48                                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-10  1:06                                     ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-13 17:51                                       ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-14 21:44                                         ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-10  6:50                                 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-10  7:15                                   ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14IDE 56) Andrew Morton
2002-05-10  7:21                                     ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-10  8:12                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-10 10:14                                     ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-10 12:36                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-11  3:23                                         ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-13 11:19                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-13 23:58                                             ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-14  0:22                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-14  2:43                                                 ` O_DIRECT on 2.4.19pre8aa2 md device Lincoln Dale
2002-05-21 15:51                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-22  1:18                                                     ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-22  2:51                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-06-03  4:53                                                         ` high-end i/o performance of 2.4.19pre8aa2 (was: Re: O_DIRECT on 2.4.19pre8aa2 device) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-12 11:23                                         ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14IDE 56) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-13 11:37                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-10 15:55                                   ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11  1:01                                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 18:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:19                                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-11 18:35                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:37                                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-11 18:56                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 21:42                                                 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 18:43                                             ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-05-11 23:38                                             ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-12  0:36                                               ` yodaiken
2002-05-12  2:40                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-11 18:26                                         ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 Alan Cox
2002-05-11 18:09                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:45                                         ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) yodaiken
2002-05-11 19:55                                         ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 Bernd Eckenfels
2002-05-11 14:18                                     ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-05-11 14:24                                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-11 18:25                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 20:17                                           ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-11 22:27                                             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 23:17                                       ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09  4:16                           ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56 Andre Hedrick
2002-05-09 13:32                             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-09 14:58                           ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 18:21                     ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-08 18:59                       ` Dave Jones
2002-05-08 19:31                       ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 21:16                         ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-08 22:14                           ` Alan Cox
2002-05-09 13:13                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-09 19:22                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-10 12:01                   ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-09 13:18                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-07 17:10             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-05-08  7:36             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 17:22               ` Greg KH
2002-05-08 18:46   ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-07 11:27 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 57 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 13:16   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 12:34     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 13:56       ` Mikael Pettersson
2002-05-07 14:04         ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 13:57       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 14:08         ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 13:11           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:29           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 13:36             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 15:08               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 16:51             ` Dave Jones
2002-05-08  3:38               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-08 11:47                 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 15:07           ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 17:21           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-11 14:09   ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-05-07 15:03 ` [PATCH] IDE 58 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08  6:42   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-05-08  8:53     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 10:37       ` Bjorn Wesen
2002-05-08 10:16         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 19:06           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-08 19:10             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-08 20:31               ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 19:49                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-08 20:44                   ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 20:04                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 20:20                       ` Ian Molton
2002-05-08 20:36                     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-08 20:29                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-08 20:06                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 12:14                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-09 15:19               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-05-09 20:20               ` Ian Molton
2002-05-08 11:00         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 19:58 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 59 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-11  4:16   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-11 16:59 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 60 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-11 18:47   ` Pierre Rousselet
2002-05-11 19:12     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-11 19:52       ` Pierre Rousselet
2002-05-11 23:48         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-12 19:19   ` pdc202xx.c fails to compile in 2.5.15 Zlatko Calusic
2002-05-12 19:40     ` Jurriaan on Alpha
2002-05-12 22:00     ` Petr Vandrovec
2002-05-13 12:03       ` Alan Cox
2002-05-13  9:48 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 61 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 12:17 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 62 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 13:48   ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 13:02     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 15:38       ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 15:45         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 16:54           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-13 16:55             ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 16:00               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 18:02             ` benh
2002-05-13 15:50         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 17:52         ` benh
2002-05-13 15:55           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 19:13             ` benh
2002-05-14  8:48               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-17 11:40               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-17  2:27                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-13 15:36   ` Tom Rini
2002-05-14 10:26 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 62a Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 10:28 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 63 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 12:04 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 64 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 13:12   ` Russell King
2002-05-15 12:14     ` Martin Dalecki
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-08 21:14 [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56 Andries.Brouwer

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