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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: yodaiken@fsmlabs.com
Cc: Lincoln Dale <ltd@cisco.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Gerrit Huizenga <gh@us.ibm.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>,
	Padraig Brady <padraig@antefacto.com>,
	Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cantab.net>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE  56)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:40:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CDDD614.FA8A4AB9@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020511111935.B30126@work.bitmover.com> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205111130080.879-100000@home.transmeta.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020512092751.02bcca40@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com> <20020511183616.A10381@hq.fsmlabs.com>

yodaiken@fsmlabs.com wrote:
> 
> We did some i/o profiling about 6 years ago on a big scientific
>  app that had started in fortran and had been rewritten in c++
> the fortran code used r/w on files and used temp files
> the c++ did memmaps and had big data structures - taking advantage of
> memory management.
> one thing I thought was interesting is that it was easy to see how a smart
> algorithm, not even such a smart one, could adapt i/o to the patterns of
> i/o in the fortran code, but the c++ i/o patters were really complex.
> 
> when everything goes into the page cache, it seems like you will loose
> information.
> 

That is certainly the case.  If the application is seekily writing
to a file then we currently lay the file out on-disk in the order
in which the application seeked.  So reading the file back
linearly is very slow.

Now this is not necessarily a bad thing - if the file was created
seekily then it will probably be _used_ seekily so no big
loss probably.

This problem is pretty unsolvable for filesystems which map blocks
to their disk address at write(2) time.  It can be solved for
allocate-on-flush filesystems via a sort of the dirty page list,
or by maintaining ->dirty_pages in a tree or whatever.

There is one "file" where this problem really does matter - the
blockdev mapping "/dev/hda1".  It is both highly fragmented and
poorly sorted on the dirty_pages list.

It's pretty trivial to perform a sillysort at writeout time:
if we just wrote page N and the next page isn't N+1 then do a
pagecache probe for "N+1".   That's probably sufficient.  If
not, there's a simple little sort routine over at 
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/algorithms/listsort.html
which is appropriate to our lists.

I'll be taking a look at the sillysort option once I've cleared away
some other I/O scheduling glitches.

-

  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-12  2:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 220+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-06  3:53 Linux-2.5.14 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-06  6:30 ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-06  6:51   ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-06 15:13   ` Linux-2.5.14 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07  4:28     ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-09  3:53     ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-09  4:34       ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-09  6:02         ` Linux-2.5.14 Daniel Pittman
2002-05-06  6:47 ` Linux-2.5.14 bert hubert
2002-05-06  7:07   ` Linux-2.5.14 Andrew Morton
2002-05-06 14:00     ` Linux-2.5.14 Rik van Riel
2002-05-06  9:09 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 55 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-06 17:48   ` David Lang
2002-05-06 22:40   ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:10     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:31       ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:31         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 10:34           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:48             ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 11:19               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:35                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 12:36                 ` Andrey Panin
2002-05-07 11:32                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:38                 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07  0:03   ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:12     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 11:39       ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 10:40         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 12:42           ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-07 11:22 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:02   ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 13:15     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:30       ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 15:08       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 15:36         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 16:20           ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-07 15:26             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 21:36               ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-08  0:25                 ` Guest section DW
2002-05-08  3:03                   ` Jan Harkes
2002-05-08  9:03                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:10                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 10:51                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 16:29           ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 16:51             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:29               ` Kai Henningsen
2002-05-08  7:48               ` Juan Quintela
2002-05-08 16:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:08             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-07 17:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:19                 ` benh
2002-05-07 17:24                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 17:30                     ` benh
2002-05-10  1:45                       ` Mike Fedyk
2002-05-07 17:43                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:05                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:26                         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-07 18:16                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 18:40                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:46                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-07 23:54                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-08  6:57                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-05-08  9:37                                   ` Ian Molton
2002-05-09 13:58                                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-08  8:21                               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 17:27                   ` Jauder Ho
2002-05-08  8:13                     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 18:29                   ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 18:02                     ` Greg KH
2002-05-07 18:44                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 18:44                       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 19:21                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-07 19:58                           ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 18:49                     ` Thunder from the hill
2002-05-07 19:47                       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-05-07 22:03                         ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-08  8:14                           ` Russell King
2002-05-08 16:07                             ` Richard Gooch
2002-05-08 17:07                               ` Russell King
2002-05-08  8:18                     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08  8:07                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08  7:58                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:18                   ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 11:09                     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 12:42                       ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 11:23                         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-09  2:37                         ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09  3:10                           ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-09 10:05                             ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09 18:50                               ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-10  0:33                                 ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-10  0:48                                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-10  1:06                                     ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-13 17:51                                       ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-14 21:44                                         ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-10  6:50                                 ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-10  7:15                                   ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14IDE 56) Andrew Morton
2002-05-10  7:21                                     ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-10  8:12                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-10 10:14                                     ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-10 12:36                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-11  3:23                                         ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-13 11:19                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-13 23:58                                             ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-14  0:22                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-14  2:43                                                 ` O_DIRECT on 2.4.19pre8aa2 md device Lincoln Dale
2002-05-21 15:51                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-22  1:18                                                     ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-22  2:51                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-06-03  4:53                                                         ` high-end i/o performance of 2.4.19pre8aa2 (was: Re: O_DIRECT on 2.4.19pre8aa2 device) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-12 11:23                                         ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14IDE 56) Lincoln Dale
2002-05-13 11:37                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-10 15:55                                   ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11  1:01                                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 18:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:19                                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-11 18:35                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:37                                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-11 18:56                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 21:42                                                 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 18:43                                             ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-05-11 23:38                                             ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-12  0:36                                               ` yodaiken
2002-05-12  2:40                                                 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2002-05-11 18:26                                         ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 Alan Cox
2002-05-11 18:09                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-11 18:45                                         ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) yodaiken
2002-05-11 19:55                                         ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 Bernd Eckenfels
2002-05-11 14:18                                     ` O_DIRECT performance impact on 2.4.18 (was: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56) Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-05-11 14:24                                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-11 18:25                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 20:17                                           ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-11 22:27                                             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-05-11 23:17                                       ` Lincoln Dale
2002-05-09  4:16                           ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 56 Andre Hedrick
2002-05-09 13:32                             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-09 14:58                           ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 18:21                     ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-08 18:59                       ` Dave Jones
2002-05-08 19:31                       ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 21:16                         ` Erik Andersen
2002-05-08 22:14                           ` Alan Cox
2002-05-09 13:13                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-09 19:22                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-05-10 12:01                   ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-09 13:18                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-07 17:10             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-05-08  7:36             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 17:22               ` Greg KH
2002-05-08 18:46   ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-07 11:27 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 57 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 13:16   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 12:34     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 13:56       ` Mikael Pettersson
2002-05-07 14:04         ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 13:57       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 14:08         ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 13:11           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 14:29           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 13:36             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-07 15:08               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-07 16:51             ` Dave Jones
2002-05-08  3:38               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-08 11:47                 ` Dave Jones
2002-05-07 15:07           ` Padraig Brady
2002-05-07 17:21           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-11 14:09   ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-05-07 15:03 ` [PATCH] IDE 58 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08  6:42   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-05-08  8:53     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 10:37       ` Bjorn Wesen
2002-05-08 10:16         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-08 19:06           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-08 19:10             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-08 20:31               ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 19:49                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-08 20:44                   ` Alan Cox
2002-05-08 20:04                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 20:20                       ` Ian Molton
2002-05-08 20:36                     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-08 20:29                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-08 20:06                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 12:14                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-09 15:19               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-05-09 20:20               ` Ian Molton
2002-05-08 11:00         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-09 19:58 ` [PATCH] 2.5.14 IDE 59 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-11  4:16   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-11 16:59 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 60 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-11 18:47   ` Pierre Rousselet
2002-05-11 19:12     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-11 19:52       ` Pierre Rousselet
2002-05-11 23:48         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-12 19:19   ` pdc202xx.c fails to compile in 2.5.15 Zlatko Calusic
2002-05-12 19:40     ` Jurriaan on Alpha
2002-05-12 22:00     ` Petr Vandrovec
2002-05-13 12:03       ` Alan Cox
2002-05-13  9:48 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 61 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 12:17 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 62 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 13:48   ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 13:02     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 15:38       ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 15:45         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 16:54           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-13 16:55             ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-13 16:00               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 18:02             ` benh
2002-05-13 15:50         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 17:52         ` benh
2002-05-13 15:55           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-13 19:13             ` benh
2002-05-14  8:48               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-17 11:40               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-17  2:27                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-13 15:36   ` Tom Rini
2002-05-14 10:26 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 62a Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 10:28 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 63 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 12:04 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 64 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 13:12   ` Russell King
2002-05-15 12:14     ` Martin Dalecki

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