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From: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
	Kurt Garloff <garloff@suse.de>,
	Linux kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux SCSI list <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] /proc/scsi/map
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:36:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D124ADF.6030103@evision-ventures.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.44.0206201401010.8225-100000@home.transmeta.com

Użytkownik Linus Torvalds napisał:
> 
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Martin Dalecki wrote:
> 
>>>	/devices/disks/disk0 -> ../../pci0/00:02.0/02:1f.0/03:07.0/disk0
>>
>>                  ^^^^^^^^^^ You notice the redundancy in naming here :-).
> 
> 
> I'd rather have redundancy than have horrible names like just "0", thank
> you very much.
> 
> It takes up no space, all the dentries are virtual anyway, and a dentry
> embeds the storage for the first n characters (n ~16 or something like
> that).
> 
> 
>>Boah the chierachies are already deep enough. /devices/net/eth@XX
>>will cut it.
> 
> 
> There is _no_ excuse for being terse.

Yes indeed:

ls 	DIR
cp 	COPY
mv      REANME
cat     TYPE

Note: the VMS stuff was even longer. You ever used the "shell" there?

> Also, never EVER use special characters like "@" unless there is _reason_
> to use them. I don't see any reason to make a filesystem look like perl.

The reaons is that it is making the splitup betwen the enumeration
and naming part very easy. Not just for scripts but for C code as well.
Numbers get user quite frequently for versioning as well.
And I tought the above should be mainly used by programs?

> Please use sane names like "disknnn" over insane cryptographically secure
> filesystem contents like "sd@nnn".

I'm so used to sd@ :-). Don't invent where you can borrow - or you will
go the esperanto way.

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From: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
	Kurt Garloff <garloff@suse.de>,
	Linux kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux SCSI list <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] /proc/scsi/map
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:36:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D124ADF.6030103@evision-ventures.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.44.0206201401010.8225-100000@home.transmeta.com

Użytkownik Linus Torvalds napisał:
> 
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Martin Dalecki wrote:
> 
>>>	/devices/disks/disk0 -> ../../pci0/00:02.0/02:1f.0/03:07.0/disk0
>>
>>                  ^^^^^^^^^^ You notice the redundancy in naming here :-).
> 
> 
> I'd rather have redundancy than have horrible names like just "0", thank
> you very much.
> 
> It takes up no space, all the dentries are virtual anyway, and a dentry
> embeds the storage for the first n characters (n ~16 or something like
> that).
> 
> 
>>Boah the chierachies are already deep enough. /devices/net/eth@XX
>>will cut it.
> 
> 
> There is _no_ excuse for being terse.

Yes indeed:

ls 	DIR
cp 	COPY
mv      REANME
cat     TYPE

Note: the VMS stuff was even longer. You ever used the "shell" there?

> Also, never EVER use special characters like "@" unless there is _reason_
> to use them. I don't see any reason to make a filesystem look like perl.

The reaons is that it is making the splitup betwen the enumeration
and naming part very easy. Not just for scripts but for C code as well.
Numbers get user quite frequently for versioning as well.
And I tought the above should be mainly used by programs?

> Please use sane names like "disknnn" over insane cryptographically secure
> filesystem contents like "sd@nnn".

I'm so used to sd@ :-). Don't invent where you can borrow - or you will
go the esperanto way.


  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-20 21:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-20  0:44 [PATCH] /proc/scsi/map Kurt Garloff
2002-06-20  0:44 ` Kurt Garloff
2002-06-20  5:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20  7:09   ` Martin Schwenke
2002-06-20  7:09   ` Martin Schwenke
2002-06-20 15:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 15:36       ` Dave Jones
2002-06-20 17:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 16:55       ` Andries Brouwer
2002-06-20 16:55       ` Andries Brouwer
2002-06-20 17:52         ` Patrick Mansfield
2002-06-20 18:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 18:52             ` James Bottomley
2002-06-20 19:15               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 16:28                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-21  0:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 16:49                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-06-20 20:06                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-22 18:27             ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-20 18:11         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 22:59           ` Martin Schwenke
2002-06-20 23:13             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-22 18:25               ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-26 16:03           ` Ihno Krumreich
2002-07-01 17:33             ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-20 19:55         ` Greg KH
2002-06-20 19:18       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-21  6:28       ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-06-20 11:25   ` Kurt Garloff
2002-06-20 11:25   ` Kurt Garloff
2002-06-20 15:34     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 16:30       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 16:30         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 16:58         ` James Bottomley
2002-06-20 18:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 20:55             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 20:55               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 21:04               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-20 21:36                 ` Martin Dalecki [this message]
2002-06-20 21:36                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 20:12         ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-20 22:29           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-20 22:29             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-06-22 18:42             ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-21 14:29           ` sullivan
2002-06-21 16:17             ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-03  4:29             ` [PATCH] driverfs scsi for 2.5.24 Douglas Gilbert
2002-07-03 14:34               ` James Bottomley
2002-07-05  1:45                 ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-07-05 18:50                   ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-05 18:31                 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-21 21:33           ` [PATCH] /proc/scsi/map Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-22  4:38             ` Nick Bellinger
2002-06-22 19:41               ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-06-22 19:11                 ` Nick Bellinger
2002-06-25 18:13                 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 16:05             ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 16:57               ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-25 18:58                 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-03  1:01                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-20 18:32       ` Kurt Garloff
2002-06-20 18:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-21  9:07         ` Kurt Garloff
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-20 23:59 Grover, Andrew
2002-06-22  6:29 Adam J. Richter
2002-06-25 16:17 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-22 17:24 David Brownell
2002-06-22 17:48 ` Roman Zippel
2002-06-22 17:48   ` Roman Zippel
2002-06-22 20:11   ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-06-22 20:57     ` Roman Zippel
2002-06-22 20:57       ` Roman Zippel
2002-06-22 18:18 ` Nick Bellinger
2002-06-24  1:50   ` David Brownell
2002-06-25 16:46   ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 16:46     ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 16:33 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 16:33   ` Patrick Mochel
2002-06-25 17:49   ` David Brownell
2002-06-26 23:39     ` Nick Bellinger
2002-07-01 17:45       ` Patrick Mochel
2002-07-03  0:59     ` Pavel Machek
2002-07-03  0:59     ` Pavel Machek

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