Credit Card fraud involving namesys.com registration

Credit Card fraud involving namesys.com registration

[Hans Reiser]

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Jens, do you have an explanation for using my credit card number to 
register europe-24h.com and linux-24h.com?

As I understand it, you are a professional cybersquatter who has used my 
credit card information to register other domain names.  You originally 
contacted us saying that you had discovered that the names which 
represent my business were unclaimed, and that you had registered them 
for me without asking me if I wanted you to do so.  You then talked me 
into paying the registration fees in return for your agreeing to 
transfer them to me.  You never quite performed the transfer somehow. 
 Now you have somehow used register.com  to use my credit card to renew 
other domains, and sweet register.com tells me that if I file a claim of 
credit card fraud with them they will sieze all of the domains 
registered with a credit card (including namesys.com) for a year whether 
I want this or not.

Is there any reason I should not consider you and register.com to be 
engaging in a conspiracy to commit credit card fraud, and report this to 
both credit agencies and the authorities?

I ask, because although the contents of europe-24h.com look like those 
of a cybersquatter, one never knows what innocent explanation there 
might be until one asks

At any rate, if the members of the list see namesys.com disappear, this 
is why, and what name we might reappear under I don't know yet, but 
searching the web will probably find us.

It seems that the misguided reiserfs fan does not describe Jens as we 
had hoped, and professional cybersquatter does.  But maybe this is 
incorrect, and Jens has an innocent explanation and a transfer of the 
domain name in progress, so I ask and find out....

-- 
Hans


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From: invoice@register.com
To: reiser@namesys.com
Subject: DOMAIN NAME REGISTRATION RENEWAL RECEIPT
Subject: DOMAIN NAME REGISTRATION RENEWAL RECEIPT
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:38:40 -0400
Message-ID: <200206292038.QAA05620@e0.rndel01.nyat.register.com>

                                 Date:   2002/6/29
Domain(s)
linux-24h.com

5918 Marden Lane
Oakland, CA 94611
US

Order ID: 22864685

FROM:
register.com
575 8th Avenue
New York,  NY 10018
United States



	E-MAIL INVOICE FOR DOMAIN REGISTRATION/RENEWAL

Please see the register.com Services Agreement (link below).

register.com is in receipt of valid  credit card information for
payment and confirms the following:

Domain Name:             linux-24h.com
Subscription Length:     1 year
Period From:             06/28/2002
Period To:               06/28/2003
Amount Charged (US$):    $34.99


Total:  $34.99

If you feel that this charge is in error or do not wish to renew 
the domain name(s) listed above, please contact register.com 
immediately in one of the following ways:

Contact a Customer Support representative online by
visiting:

http://www.register.com/sr_credit.cgi?12f7067e820f82e1c0bc4ce1b53111997985e9346a8ae561

Or call:
Toll free in the U.S. and Canada: (800) 899-9723
Outside the U.S. and Canada: +1 (902) 749-2777

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Registrant agrees to the terms and conditions of the current
Services Agreement.

To access the register.com Services Agreement, please visit 
http://www.register.com/service-agreement.cgi.

RE: Credit Card fraud involving namesys.com registration

[David R. Bergstein]

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Just a side note - register.com is U.S. based company.  I suggest that
the (alleged) credit card fraud committed against Hans Reiser to
register domains at a U.S. based organization, i.e. register.com be
reported directly to the U.S. Federal Trade Commission (www.ftc.gov). 
Complaints can be filed on-line at
https://rn.ftc.gov/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

In addition, any fraudulent charges should be resolvable via the credit
card company - thay can cancel the stolen card number.  In addition, the
local Better Business Bureau in NY may be able to help cancel any
transactions that have already been charged so your credut report won't
be negatively affected.  For this I suggest you reference the address
below and cointact the local BBB there and they should be able to help.

  Organization:
     Register.Com, Inc.
     Domain Registrar
     575 Eighth Avenue, 11th Floor
     New York, NY 10018
     US
     Phone: 212-798-9200
     Fax..: 212-629-9305
     Email: domainregistrar@register.com

  Registrar Name....: Register.com
  Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
  Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

  Domain Name: REGISTER.COM

     Created on..............: Wed, Aug 04, 1999
     Expires on..............: Tue, Aug 04, 2009
     Record last updated on..: Tue, Feb 05, 2002

  Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
     Register.Com, Inc.
     Domain Registrar
     575 Eighth Avenue, 11th Floor
     New York, NY 10018
     US
     Phone: 212-798-9200
     Fax..: 212-629-9305
     Email: domainregistrar@register.com

  Domain servers in listed order:

  DNS1.REGISTER.COM                                 209.67.50.220
  DNS2.REGISTER.COM                                 209.67.50.241
  DNS3.REGISTER.COM                                 209.67.50.253
  DNS4.REGISTER.COM                                 209.67.50.254


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Reiser [mailto:reiser@namesys.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:36 AM
> To: JI
> Cc: reiserfs-list@namesys.com; flx@thebsh.namesys.com
> Subject: [reiserfs-list] Credit Card fraud involving namesys.com
> registration
> 
> 
> Jens, do you have an explanation for using my credit card number to 
> register europe-24h.com and linux-24h.com?
> 
> As I understand it, you are a professional cybersquatter who has used
my 
> credit card information to register other domain names.  You
originally 
> contacted us saying that you had discovered that the names which 
> represent my business were unclaimed, and that you had registered them

> for me without asking me if I wanted you to do so.  You then talked me

> into paying the registration fees in return for your agreeing to 
> transfer them to me.  You never quite performed the transfer somehow. 
>  Now you have somehow used register.com  to use my credit card to
renew 
> other domains, and sweet register.com tells me that if I file a claim
of 
> credit card fraud with them they will sieze all of the domains 
> registered with a credit card (including namesys.com) for a year
whether 
> I want this or not.
> 
> Is there any reason I should not consider you and register.com to be 
> engaging in a conspiracy to commit credit card fraud, and report this
to 
> both credit agencies and the authorities?
> 
> I ask, because although the contents of europe-24h.com look like those

> of a cybersquatter, one never knows what innocent explanation there 
> might be until one asks
> 
> At any rate, if the members of the list see namesys.com disappear,
this 
> is why, and what name we might reappear under I don't know yet, but 
> searching the web will probably find us.
> 
> It seems that the misguided reiserfs fan does not describe Jens as we 
> had hoped, and professional cybersquatter does.  But maybe this is 
> incorrect, and Jens has an innocent explanation and a transfer of the 
> domain name in progress, so I ask and find out....
> 
> -- 
> Hans
> 
> 
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Re: Credit Card fraud involving namesys.com registration

[JI]

Hi Hans ,

I can see why you are upset. and thanks for keeping your calm still. I 
still claim my innocence, for the register.com is to blame.


Its quite serious mistake from their part, obviously im as surpriced as 
you! I dont see how on earth your credit card details could be used to renew
my domains, if things wont evolve the way you and I want im sure we have a 
case for legal action also.
So far it looks to me that, only explanation is that their billing system 
has some serious shortcomings that needs to be fixed and this has caused 
the mess.


The moment I read your email I picked up the phone and called register.com 
for explanation, I intend to escalate this to their management or whatever 
it takes
to clear this. After 3 transfers and different call-center agents , I 
finally managed to get through their call-center system and to a person who 
had a clue.

She said that from their point of view what had happened was that when You 
paid for the namesys.com, your credit card details were left on their
system and USED?!?! to renew my other domain names because it WAS the most 
uptodate creditcard details they had on the system for this account.

So obviously the way they store the billing info in their Database is to 
blame here!! not me! I arranged so that they will refund all the 3 wrongly 
billed charges back
to you and delete all of your records from my account. Im waiting for a 
receipt and a case number for this at the moment , which you will also receive.

So this is where we are currently I hope this clears most pressing issues , 
and the Domain name transfer is also in process.

I demand we take this off line (not to be broadcasted in a mailing 
list)  because this kind of email will wake alot of uneccesary talk..eg.its 
a Flame Bait.
Im sure you understand what happens when people start jumping conclusions, 
so Im hoping we can resolve this professionally.
Im looking forward to a fast resolution here.


Jens



At 08:35 30/06/2002 +0400, Hans Reiser wrote:
>Jens, do you have an explanation for using my credit card number to 
>register europe-24h.com and linux-24h.com?
>
>As I understand it, you are a professional cybersquatter who has used my 
>credit card information to register other domain names.  You originally 
>contacted us saying that you had discovered that the names which represent 
>my business were unclaimed, and that you had registered them for me 
>without asking me if I wanted you to do so.  You then talked me into 
>paying the registration fees in return for your agreeing to transfer them 
>to me.  You never quite performed the transfer somehow. Now you have 
>somehow used register.com  to use my credit card to renew other domains, 
>and sweet register.com tells me that if I file a claim of credit card 
>fraud with them they will sieze all of the domains registered with a 
>credit card (including namesys.com) for a year whether I want this or not.
>
>Is there any reason I should not consider you and register.com to be 
>engaging in a conspiracy to commit credit card fraud, and report this to 
>both credit agencies and the authorities?
>
>I ask, because although the contents of europe-24h.com look like those of 
>a cybersquatter, one never knows what innocent explanation there might be 
>until one asks
>
>At any rate, if the members of the list see namesys.com disappear, this is 
>why, and what name we might reappear under I don't know yet, but searching 
>the web will probably find us.
>
>It seems that the misguided reiserfs fan does not describe Jens as we had 
>hoped, and professional cybersquatter does.  But maybe this is incorrect, 
>and Jens has an innocent explanation and a transfer of the domain name in 
>progress, so I ask and find out....
>
>--
>Hans
>
>
>
> >From - Sun Jun 30 02:52:13 2002
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>Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:38:40 -0400
>From: invoice@register.com
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>X-Authentication-Warning: e0.rndel01.nyat.register.com: batch set sender 
>to invoice@register.com using -f
>To: reiser@namesys.com
>Subject: DOMAIN NAME REGISTRATION RENEWAL RECEIPT
>Subject:        DOMAIN NAME REGISTRATION RENEWAL RECEIPT
>
>                                  Date:   2002/6/29
>Domain(s)
>linux-24h.com
>
>5918 Marden Lane
>Oakland, CA 94611
>US
>
>Order ID: 22864685
>
>FROM:
>register.com
>575 8th Avenue
>New York,  NY 10018
>United States
>
>
>
>         E-MAIL INVOICE FOR DOMAIN REGISTRATION/RENEWAL
>
>Please see the register.com Services Agreement (link below).
>
>register.com is in receipt of valid  credit card information for
>payment and confirms the following:
>
>Domain Name:             linux-24h.com
>Subscription Length:     1 year
>Period From:             06/28/2002
>Period To:               06/28/2003
>Amount Charged (US$):    $34.99
>
>
>Total:  $34.99
>
>If you feel that this charge is in error or do not wish to renew
>the domain name(s) listed above, please contact register.com
>immediately in one of the following ways:
>
>Contact a Customer Support representative online by
>visiting:
>
>http://www.register.com/sr_credit.cgi?12f7067e820f82e1c0bc4ce1b53111997985e9346a8ae561
>
>Or call:
>Toll free in the U.S. and Canada: (800) 899-9723
>Outside the U.S. and Canada: +1 (902) 749-2777
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Registrant agrees to the terms and conditions of the current
>Services Agreement.
>
>To access the register.com Services Agreement, please visit
>http://www.register.com/service-agreement.cgi.

Re: Credit Card fraud involving namesys.com registration

[Anders Widman]

I'm not sure about other countries rules, but a bank here in Sweden
are not allowed to give out funds to Creditcard companies, or anyone
else unless they have your signature on it.

If someone else use your creditcard you just report it to the police
and notify your bank and call VISA to cancel the card. The bank will
automatically stop all transfers and refund you. Then it is the banks
reposibility to try to reverse the transfers made.

But maby that is not the real issue, but the fact that register.com
might stop the domain.

Still, I don't see how they can "suspend" your current domain names.
register.com is only responsible, as a middle hand, to arrange
payments for registrants to internic. Once you have payed, it is your
domain to do whatever you like with. InterNic, on the other hand,
would perhaps have the ability, or right to suspend a domain name.

//Anders Widman

Re: Credit Card fraud involving namesys.com registration

[Manuel Krause]

Hi!

On 07/01/2002 01:50 AM, Anders Widman wrote:
> I'm not sure about other countries rules, but a bank here in Sweden
> are not allowed to give out funds to Creditcard companies, or anyone
> else unless they have your signature on it.
> 

Thank you for sending this info! It was for some good Hans started this 
thread open to this list! I'm going to print your mail to be able to 
hand it to my bank in case! Europe Is One Europe.

Some days ago I had a request from www.bol.de to pay my bill again 
(though they had my money via VISA for some weeks, already!).

  In my case I only had to type all my "open" info on this transaction 
and say it would go directly to my lawyer if they didn't state my terms 
as "correct". They (www.bol.de) did so and told me about a "technical 
error" on their billing system.
I really assume this kind of false business will increase, when everyone 
continues to not check his/her folders & records (oh, of course it's 
really boring) and doesn't post it to some official mailing-list...

Thanks to Hans Reiser,
and I'd like to hear about his efforts here though Jens doesn't want it...


> If someone else use your creditcard you just report it to the police
> and notify your bank and call VISA to cancel the card. The bank will
> automatically stop all transfers and refund you. Then it is the banks
> reposibility to try to reverse the transfers made.
> 
> But maby that is not the real issue, but the fact that register.com
> might stop the domain.
> 
> Still, I don't see how they can "suspend" your current domain names.
> register.com is only responsible, as a middle hand, to arrange
> payments for registrants to internic. Once you have payed, it is your
> domain to do whatever you like with. InterNic, on the other hand,
> would perhaps have the ability, or right to suspend a domain name.
> 
> //Anders Widman
> 
> 

Manuel Krause