Lilo and NT - repost because many did not READ!!!!

Lilo and NT - repost because many did not READ!!!!

[Oliver Ob]

Oliver Ob schrieb:

There is some problem here. I had been using my machine dualbooting
with Lilo for NT and Linux. Worked like a charme. Lilo resided in the
mbr and it worked.

But now the NT uses SAFEGUARD and that thing sits in the mbr for the
pre-boot-password-authentication. So for all of you who do not know
SG yet: It starts booting ONLY if you entered the correct pw.

I have not done this before and ask for your advice:

*** AGAIN, STOP WASTING MY AND YOU TIME WITH IDEAS TO MODIFY THE
NT LOADER! I SAID A MILLION TIMES WHY I CANNOT CHANGE THAT !!! ****
Thanks.

How can I continue using LILO for NT/Linux dualboot
*when I need to make NT believe the orignal ("safeguarded") 
NT-Bootsector i the mbr, but want to use lilo in the mbr ACTUALLY
 
What to do?

I put it like this: I NEED lilo in the mbr, but can only boot 
with SAFEGUARD. So how can I tell lilo to run the SAFEGUARD sector,
which I have here in a file (512 bytes) ?

> The other way round to get this clear: The Multiboot HOWTOs that I
> found as well as googling with
> http://www.google.de/search?q=lilo+mbr+NT&btnG=Google-Suche&hl=de&ie=ISO-8859-1
> 
> all brought only solutions like "Configure NT-Loader to boot your
> Linux system" - which NOT what I want nor can!

THIS is it! 
So how can I install Lilo in the mbr and tell Lilo to boot NT,
but emulate that BOOT using the SAFEGUARD-MBR
 
The lilo.conf section about chain loading is not clear to me.

Can anybody help? I re-read the man lilo all the time, but cannot
get on how to chain-boot a single sector (the SAFEG one) which then
starts to actually boot the NT.

Hope you now understand me. I have not had enough sleep because of
this problem :-)

Cheers mates!


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Re: Lilo and NT - repost because many did not READ!!!!

[Riley Williams]

Hi Oliver.

> There is some problem here. I had been using my machine dualbooting
> with Lilo for NT and Linux. Worked like a charme. Lilo resided in
> the mbr and it worked.
>
> But now the NT uses SAFEGUARD and that thing sits in the mbr for the
> pre-boot-password-authentication. So for all of you who do not know
> SG yet: It starts booting ONLY if you entered the correct pw.
>
> I have not done this before and ask for your advice:
>
> *** AGAIN, STOP WASTING MY AND YOU TIME WITH IDEAS TO MODIFY THE NT
> LOADER! I SAID A MILLION TIMES WHY I CANNOT CHANGE THAT !!! ****
> Thanks.

If you're not willing to read the replies you get, then stop wasting OUR
time asking for information you then ignore !!!

To quote your comment above, you said "Lilo resided in the mbr" and THAT
is the problem that stops SafeGuard from working. As I stated in my
previous reply, you need to move Lilo out of the mbr and into the boot
sector of the LINUX partition - NOT the NT partition as you claim in
your comments. When you've done so, you change the partition table
(which is NOT part of the MBR and is also NOT part of the NT loader)
to indicate that the active partition is the Linux one.

> How can I continue using LILO for NT/Linux dualboot *when I need to
> make NT believe the orignal ("safeguarded") NT-Bootsector in the
> mbr, but want to use lilo in the mbr ACTUALLY

Why do you want to put lilo in the MBR ??? Why not just give safeguard
what it wants in the first place?

> What to do?

Read what people tell you, for starters.

> I put it like this: I NEED lilo in the mbr...

Why? I've never put lilo in the MBR and have many systems happily dual
booting Linux and Windows, so it can't be for that. I even have one
system that is quad-booting Linux, Windows XP, OS2 Warp and MS-DOS and
did it precicely this way.

> ...but can only boot with SAFEGUARD. So how can I tell lilo to run
> the SAFEGUARD sector, which I have here in a file (512 bytes) ?

That's easy enough, but if you do it that way, it won't work as the
safeguard sector is sensitive to its position on the hard drive.

Best wishes from Riley.

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Re: Lilo and NT-Safeguard -NO Diskdrive available on Toshiba!-2

[Oliver Ob]

Riley Williams :
> 
> Hi Oliver.

Hi Riley, sorry, we better both calm down. But please understand my
situation. I am fumbling with this shit without success since 6 months
already. So bare with my temperament and dont take it too serious :-)

> > There is some problem here. I had been using my machine dualbooting
> > with Lilo for NT and Linux. Worked like a charme. Lilo resided in
> > the mbr and it worked.
> >
> > But now the NT uses SAFEGUARD and that thing sits in the mbr for the
> > pre-boot-password-authentication. So for all of you who do not know
> > SG yet: It starts booting ONLY if you entered the correct pw.
> >
> > I have not done this before and ask for your advice:
> >
> > *** AGAIN, STOP WASTING MY AND YOU TIME WITH IDEAS TO MODIFY THE NT
> > LOADER! I SAID A MILLION TIMES WHY I CANNOT CHANGE THAT !!! ****
> > Thanks.
> 
> If you're not willing to read the replies you get, then stop wasting OUR
> time asking for information you then ignore !!!
No, I read and tried.
Secondly, do not take that too personal, I received more answers than
you can think of (in private mail), and 90% of them were telling me to
change the NTloader, just like the howto says :-((
 
> To quote your comment above, you said "Lilo resided in the mbr" and THAT
> is the problem that stops SafeGuard from working. As I stated in my
> previous reply, you need to move Lilo out of the mbr and into the boot
> sector of the LINUX partition - NOT the NT partition as you claim in
> your comments. When you've done so, you change the partition table
> (which is NOT part of the MBR and is also NOT part of the NT loader)
> to indicate that the active partition is the Linux one.
> 
> > How can I continue using LILO for NT/Linux dualboot *when I need to
> > make NT believe the orignal ("safeguarded") NT-Bootsector in the
> > mbr, but want to use lilo in the mbr ACTUALLY
> 
> Why do you want to put lilo in the MBR ??? Why not just give safeguard
> what it wants in the first place?
Because to my understanding any booting system on earth needs his mbr,
or am I wrong here? How would a system without mbr boot at all?
Teach me if I am wrong here! I want to learn!
 
> > I put it like this: I NEED lilo in the mbr...
> 
> Why? I've never put lilo in the MBR and have many systems happily dual
> booting Linux and Windows, so it can't be for that. I even have one
> system that is quad-booting Linux, Windows XP, OS2 Warp and MS-DOS and
> did it precicely this way.

Alright, this is a good point to ask: What THEN have _you_ got in your mbr?

I currently have the data from win98 inside my mbr.
Must I zero it out? 

If I put the Safeguard-mbr back to my drive, it boots
NT without even booting Lilo on hda2 even THOUGH I have activated hda2
as booting partition. So please, Riley, what have you in your mbr when
you say you are multibooting all those above systems with a lilo in a
primary partition (hda1 hda2 hda3 or hda4)?

Please include also a list of your partitions using fdisk -l to help
my understanding. I want to get to know this!

> > ...but can only boot with SAFEGUARD. So how can I tell lilo to run
> > the SAFEGUARD sector, which I have here in a file (512 bytes) ?
> 
> That's easy enough, but if you do it that way, it won't work as the
> safeguard sector is sensitive to its position on the hard drive.
Do you use safeguard ?
 
> Best wishes from Riley.

Best wishes back and bare with my 6-month-agony-temperament...

Olli

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Re: Lilo and NT - repost because many did not READ!!!!

[Ray Olszewski]

First, let me say I share Riley's annoyance with the rude character 
of  your most recent message. Also ... "I SAID A MILLION TIMES"? Hardly. 
Once, perhaps twice, and anyway, you got a response that was to the point. 
Please remember that you are getting free help here, and it is short 
sighted to insult people who are doing you favors by reading about your 
problems and trying to suggest solutions.

With that out of the way ... if you cannot use the MBR for LILO, and you 
cannot put LILO in a partition as Riley suggests (why not?), then the only 
place left is on a floppy disk. I've done this once or twice to achieve 
dual booting back when it was harder than it is today ... back in my 
Slackware days (Slackware installs included an option for making a LILO 
bootdisk). It is a clunky solution, but all you do then is use the MBR for 
your NT boots, and a floppy for your Linux boots.

If you cannot do that either (if Safeguard blocks floppy boots, for 
example), I think you are out of luck.

At 09:01 PM 8/6/02 +0200, Oliver Ob wrote:
>Oliver Ob schrieb:
>
>There is some problem here. I had been using my machine dualbooting
>with Lilo for NT and Linux. Worked like a charme. Lilo resided in the
>mbr and it worked.
>
>But now the NT uses SAFEGUARD and that thing sits in the mbr for the
>pre-boot-password-authentication. So for all of you who do not know
>SG yet: It starts booting ONLY if you entered the correct pw.
>
>I have not done this before and ask for your advice:
>
>*** AGAIN, STOP WASTING MY AND YOU TIME WITH IDEAS TO MODIFY THE
>NT LOADER! I SAID A MILLION TIMES WHY I CANNOT CHANGE THAT !!! ****
>Thanks.
>
>How can I continue using LILO for NT/Linux dualboot
>*when I need to make NT believe the orignal ("safeguarded")
>NT-Bootsector i the mbr, but want to use lilo in the mbr ACTUALLY
>
>What to do?
[rest deleted]


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Re: Lilo and NT - repost because many did not READ!!!!

[David Lane]

Amen Riley and Ray,


First, let me say I share Riley's annoyance with the rude character
of  your most recent message. Also ... "I SAID A MILLION TIMES"? Hardly.
Once, perhaps twice, and anyway, you got a response that was to the point.
Please remember that you are getting free help here, and it is short
sighted to insult people who are doing you favors by reading about your
problems and trying to suggest solutions.

With that out of the way ... if you cannot use the MBR for LILO, and you
cannot put LILO in a partition as Riley suggests (why not?), then the only
place left is on a floppy disk. I've done this once or twice to achieve
dual booting back when it was harder than it is today ... back in my
Slackware days (Slackware installs included an option for making a LILO
bootdisk). It is a clunky solution, but all you do then is use the MBR for
your NT boots, and a floppy for your Linux boots.

If you cannot do that either (if Safeguard blocks floppy boots, for
example), I think you are out of luck.

At 09:01 PM 8/6/02 +0200, Oliver Ob wrote:
>Oliver Ob schrieb:
>
>There is some problem here. I had been using my machine dualbooting
>with Lilo for NT and Linux. Worked like a charme. Lilo resided in the
>mbr and it worked.
>
>But now the NT uses SAFEGUARD and that thing sits in the mbr for the
>pre-boot-password-authentication. So for all of you who do not know
>SG yet: It starts booting ONLY if you entered the correct pw.
>
>I have not done this before and ask for your advice:
>
>*** AGAIN, STOP WASTING MY AND YOU TIME WITH IDEAS TO MODIFY THE
>NT LOADER! I SAID A MILLION TIMES WHY I CANNOT CHANGE THAT !!! ****
>Thanks.
>
>How can I continue using LILO for NT/Linux dualboot
>*when I need to make NT believe the orignal ("safeguarded")
>NT-Bootsector i the mbr, but want to use lilo in the mbr ACTUALLY
>
>What to do?
[rest deleted]

                                                                    David
Lane

Knox.Tn.

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