Suggestion: Multichannel enharnacements to alsa-lib.

Suggestion: Multichannel enharnacements to alsa-lib.

[James Courtier-Dutton]

Hello
It would be nice if there was a feature in alsa that would let the user 
tell alsa which speakers are plugged into which sound card sockets.
E.g. On sound card 0, I have: -
Left speaker in Stereo Jack 1-Left
Right speaker in Stereo Jack 1-Right
Rear Left in Stereo Jack 2 - Left
Rear Right in Stereo Jack 2 - Right
Center in Stereo Jack 3 - Right
LFE in Stereo Jack 3 - Left.


This would tell alsa-lib that if it was sent 5.1 channel audio, it would 
not change it.
If it was send 2-channel PCM, it would up-mix it using the dolby 2->4 
channel sound method and also generate the Center and LFE channels.

If the user did not have 6 speakers, they could tell alsa :-
Left speaker in Stereo Jack 1-Left
Right speaker in Stereo Jack 1-Right
LFE in Stereo Jack 2 - Left.

alsa-lib would then accept 6 channels from the user's application and 
automatically downmix it for the 3 speakers the user had.
The user could also have 2 sound cards, with Front speakers on one sound 
card, and rear speakers on another sound card.

Another feature for alsa-lib could be adding volume and delay controls in.
For example, the user might want to adjust the volume of the LFE without 
changing the volume of the other channels.
Also, depending on where the speakers are in the room, the user might 
want to add certain delays to certain channels so that the sound is in 
sync when it gets to the user's ears.

The reason I think that this would be good to have in alsa-lib is so it 
would only have to be implemented once, and then all audio applications 
could use the features.

I am currently helping to write a media application in linux that plays 
DVDs that have 5.1(e.g 6 channels) audio tracks. It would be nice if my 
audio application did not have to care about what speakers the user has, 
and just output 6 channels every time and let alsa-lib adjust. Also, if 
I used another audio application that could play CD-Digital Audio, 
alsa-lib could automatically upmix it to 5.1 using dolby surround 2->4 
upmix, and alsa-lib could then fill in the center and lfe channels. This 
way, all the current linux applications that use ALSA would not have to 
be changed, but the user would get much better sound output as alsa-lib 
would convert the sound to make full use of the users speaker layout.

Supported speaker formats needed are: -
1) Center (Mono)
2) Front Right, Front Left. (Stereo)
3) Front Right, Front Left, Center (3 Channel front.)
4) Front Right, Front Left, LFE (3 channel front/LFE)
5) Front Right, Front Left, Rear Right, Rear Left (4 channel front/rear)
6) Front Right, Front Left, Center, Rear Right, Rear Left (5 Channel 
front/rear/center)
7) Front Right, Front Left, Rear Right, Rear Left, LFE (5 Channel 
front/rear/LFE)
8) Front Right, Front Left, Center, Rear Right, Rear Left, LFE (6 
channel "5.1")
9) Future setups with maybe 7,8 or 9 speakers  for home real cinema 
setups. DTS 6.1 etc.

Cheers
James




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Re: Suggestion: Multichannel enharnacements to alsa-lib.

[Matthias Saou]

Once upon a time, James wrote :

> I am currently helping to write a media application in linux that plays 
> DVDs that have 5.1(e.g 6 channels) audio tracks.

Doesn't ogle already allow that?
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/

> It would be nice if my 
> audio application did not have to care about what speakers the user has, 
> and just output 6 channels every time and let alsa-lib adjust.

Indeed. I think you still have to indicate the number of speakers to use
with ogle, obviously.

>  Also, if 
> I used another audio application that could play CD-Digital Audio, 
> alsa-lib could automatically upmix it to 5.1 using dolby surround 2->4 
> upmix, and alsa-lib could then fill in the center and lfe channels.

This means adding some Dolby(C)(R)(TM)(etc.) Surround code into alsa-lib,
is that really possible?

Matthias

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Re: Suggestion: Multichannel enharnacements to alsa-lib.

[Jaroslav Kysela]

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:

> Hello
> It would be nice if there was a feature in alsa that would let the user 
> tell alsa which speakers are plugged into which sound card sockets.
> E.g. On sound card 0, I have: -
> Left speaker in Stereo Jack 1-Left
> Right speaker in Stereo Jack 1-Right
> Rear Left in Stereo Jack 2 - Left
> Rear Right in Stereo Jack 2 - Right
> Center in Stereo Jack 3 - Right
> LFE in Stereo Jack 3 - Left.
> 
> 
> This would tell alsa-lib that if it was sent 5.1 channel audio, it would 
> not change it.
> If it was send 2-channel PCM, it would up-mix it using the dolby 2->4 
> channel sound method and also generate the Center and LFE channels.
> 
> If the user did not have 6 speakers, they could tell alsa :-
> Left speaker in Stereo Jack 1-Left
> Right speaker in Stereo Jack 1-Right
> LFE in Stereo Jack 2 - Left.
> 
> alsa-lib would then accept 6 channels from the user's application and 
> automatically downmix it for the 3 speakers the user had.
> The user could also have 2 sound cards, with Front speakers on one sound 
> card, and rear speakers on another sound card.

Note that user could do all things you've described though configuration 
files. Application should only generate a stream and it's up to user, how 
it the PCM device / virtual PCM device configured.

We're missing probably only some dolby enhancements from 2 to 4 channels, 
or you had in your mind a simple copying?

> Another feature for alsa-lib could be adding volume and delay controls in.
> For example, the user might want to adjust the volume of the LFE without 
> changing the volume of the other channels.

It's possible with modern hardware, but I agree, it would be a really goot 
to add real-time possibility to drive the real-time behaviour of various 
plugins. If I have unlimited time to do my work... ;-(

> Also, depending on where the speakers are in the room, the user might 
> want to add certain delays to certain channels so that the sound is in 
> sync when it gets to the user's ears.

It's no problem to write this plugin.

> The reason I think that this would be good to have in alsa-lib is so it 
> would only have to be implemented once, and then all audio applications 
> could use the features.
> 
> I am currently helping to write a media application in linux that plays 
> DVDs that have 5.1(e.g 6 channels) audio tracks. It would be nice if my 
> audio application did not have to care about what speakers the user has, 
> and just output 6 channels every time and let alsa-lib adjust. Also, if 
> I used another audio application that could play CD-Digital Audio, 
> alsa-lib could automatically upmix it to 5.1 using dolby surround 2->4 
> upmix, and alsa-lib could then fill in the center and lfe channels. This 
> way, all the current linux applications that use ALSA would not have to 
> be changed, but the user would get much better sound output as alsa-lib 
> would convert the sound to make full use of the users speaker layout.
> 
> Supported speaker formats needed are: -
> 1) Center (Mono)

a) we can add this definition: 'center' and 'plug:center'

> 2) Front Right, Front Left. (Stereo)

'front' is the implemented device name, or 'plug:front' to hide hardware constraints

> 3) Front Right, Front Left, Center (3 Channel front.)

no problem, see a), suggested name = 'front3_center'

> 4) Front Right, Front Left, LFE (3 channel front/LFE)

no problem, suggested name = 'front3_lfe'

> 5) Front Right, Front Left, Rear Right, Rear Left (4 channel front/rear)

implemented as 'surround40'

> 6) Front Right, Front Left, Center, Rear Right, Rear Left (5 Channel front/rear/center)

no problem, suggested name = 'surround50'

> 7) Front Right, Front Left, Rear Right, Rear Left, LFE (5 Channel front/rear/LFE)

no problem, suggested name = 'surround41'

> 8) Front Right, Front Left, Center, Rear Right, Rear Left, LFE (6 channel "5.1")

implemented as 'surround51'

> 9) Future setups with maybe 7,8 or 9 speakers  for home real cinema setups. DTS 6.1 etc.

we can implement this later

						Jaroslav

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