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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Matti Aarnio <matti.aarnio@zmailer.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@codemonkey.org.uk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hpa@transmeta.com
Subject: Re: Intel P6 vs P7 system call performance
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:30:35 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DFF6D4B.3060107@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0212170948380.2702-100000@home.transmeta.com>

Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Uli, how about I just add one ne warchitecture-specific ELF AT flag, which
> is the "base of sysinfo page". Right now that page is all zeroes except
> for the system call trampoline at the beginning, but we might want to add
> other system information to the page in the future (it is readable, after
> all).
> 
> So we'd have an AT_SYSINFO entry, that with the current implementation
> would just get the value 0xfffff000. And then the glibc startup code could
> easily be backwards compatible with the suggestion I had in the previous
> email. Since we basically want to do an indirect jump anyway (because of
> the lack of absolute jumps in the instruction set), this looks like the
> natural way to do it.

Yes, I definitely think that a new AT_* value is at order and it's a
nice way to determine the address.

But it will eliminate the problem.  Remember: the x86 (unlike x86-64)
has no PC-relative data addressing mode.  I.e., in a DSO to find a
memory location with an address I need a base register which isn't
available anymore at the time the call is made.

You have to assume that all the registers, including %ebp, are used at
the time of the call.  This makes it impossible to find a memory
location in a DSO without text relocation (i.e., making parts of the
code writable, at least for a moment).  This is time consuming and not
resource friendly.

There is one way around this and maybe it is what should be done: we
have the TLS memory available.  And since this vsyscall stuff gets
introduced after the TLS is functional it is a possibility.

The address received in AT_SYSINFO is stored in a word in the TCB
(thread control block).  Then the code to call through this is a variant
of what I posted earlier

  movl $__NR_##name, %eax
  call *%gs:-__NR_##name+TCB_OFFSET(%eax)

In case the vsyscall stuff is not available we jump to something like

   int $0x80
   ret

The address of this code is the default value of the TCB word.


There is another thing we might want to consider.  The above code jump
to 0xfffff000 or whatever adddres is specified.  I.e., the
demultiplexing happens in the kernel.  Do we want to do this at
userlevel?  This would allow almost no-cost determination of those
syscalls which can be handled at userlevel (getpid, getppid, ...).

-- 
--------------.                        ,-.            444 Castro Street
Ulrich Drepper \    ,-----------------'   \ Mountain View, CA 94041 USA
Red Hat         `--' drepper at redhat.com `---------------------------


  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-12-17 18:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 304+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-09  8:30 Intel P6 vs P7 system call performance Mike Hayward
2002-12-09 15:40 ` erich
2002-12-09 17:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-09 19:36   ` Dave Jones
2002-12-09 19:46     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-28 20:37       ` Ville Herva
2002-12-29  2:05         ` Christian Leber
2002-12-30 18:22           ` Christian Leber
2002-12-30 21:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-30 11:29         ` Dave Jones
2002-12-17  0:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  1:03       ` Dave Jones
2002-12-17  2:36         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  5:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  6:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  6:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 14:03                 ` Shuji YAMAMURA
2002-12-17  6:19               ` GrandMasterLee
2002-12-17  6:43               ` dean gaudet
2002-12-17 16:50                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:11                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 21:39                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-17 21:41                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 21:53                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-18 23:53                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:18                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:21                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:23                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:26                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:30                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:34                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:36                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:26                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-12-17 20:51                   ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 20:16                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 20:49                 ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 20:12                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17  9:45             ` Andre Hedrick
2002-12-17 12:40               ` Dave Jones
2002-12-17 23:18                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-12-17 15:12               ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 23:55                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:17                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 10:53             ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 11:17               ` dada1
2002-12-17 17:33                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 17:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 17:55                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 18:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:23                   ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 18:48                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 19:19                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:44                       ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 19:52                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 19:54                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:58                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  7:20                             ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-17 18:49                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:09                       ` Ross Biro
2002-12-17 21:34                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-17 21:36                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 21:50                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-18 23:59               ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-17 16:12             ` Hugh Dickins
2002-12-17 16:33               ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 17:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 16:54               ` Hugh Dickins
2002-12-17 17:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 17:19                 ` Matti Aarnio
2002-12-17 17:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 18:24                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 18:33                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 18:30                     ` Ulrich Drepper [this message]
2002-12-17 19:04                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:19                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 19:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:32                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:44                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:53                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 20:01                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 20:17                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-18  4:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:15                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:39                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  4:49                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  6:38                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18 13:17                                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-18 13:40                                 ` Horst von Brand
2002-12-18 13:47                                   ` Sean Neakums
2002-12-18 14:10                                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-12-18 14:51                                       ` dada1
2002-12-18 19:12                                       ` Mark Mielke
2002-12-18 15:52                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 16:41                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-12-18 16:49                                     ` Freezing.. (was Re: Intel P6 vs P7 system call performance) Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18 16:56                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-12-18 16:58                                       ` Dave Jones
2002-12-18 17:41                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18 18:03                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-18 18:09                                             ` Mike Dresser
2002-12-23 12:34                                               ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-18 19:08                                           ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 19:23                                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-12-18 19:30                                               ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 19:33                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-12-18 19:42                                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 19:45                                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-12-18 20:39                                                       ` John Bradford
2002-12-18 22:08                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-12-18 22:37                                                           ` John Bradford
2002-12-19  1:09                                                             ` Alan Cox
2002-12-19  0:37                                                               ` Russell King
2002-12-19  0:58                                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-12-19  1:43                                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-12-19 10:50                                                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-12-19  0:59                                                               ` John Bradford
2002-12-19 10:27                                                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-12-19  1:17                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19  0:08                                                           ` Alan Cox
2002-12-19  0:53                                                             ` John Bradford
2002-12-19 13:17                                                           ` Stephen Satchell
2002-12-19  5:34                                             ` Timothy D. Witham
2002-12-19  6:43                                               ` Andrew Morton
2002-12-19  5:45                                                 ` Timothy D. Witham
2002-12-19  7:05                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-12-19  6:08                                                 ` Timothy D. Witham
2002-12-18 19:50                                           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-12-18 17:06                                       ` Eli Carter
2002-12-18 17:08                                       ` Andrew Morton
2002-12-18 18:25                                       ` John Alvord
2002-12-18 18:41                                     ` Intel P6 vs P7 system call performance Horst von Brand
2002-12-17 19:26                       ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 18:57                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 19:10                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:21                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:37                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:43                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 20:07                                   ` Matti Aarnio
2002-12-17 20:10                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:59                                 ` Matti Aarnio
2002-12-17 20:06                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 20:35                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-12-18  0:20                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  0:38                                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-18  7:41                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-18 13:00                                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-17 19:47                             ` Dave Jones
2002-12-18 12:57                             ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-19  0:14                               ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-17 21:38                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-17 21:41                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 18:39                     ` Jeff Dike
2002-12-17 19:05                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  5:34                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2002-12-18  5:38                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18 15:50                       ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 23:51             ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-13 15:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-12-13 16:49   ` Mike Hayward
2002-12-14  0:55     ` GrandMasterLee
2002-12-14  4:41       ` Mike Dresser
2002-12-14  4:53         ` Mike Dresser
2002-12-14 10:01           ` Dave Jones
2002-12-14 17:48             ` Mike Dresser
2002-12-14 18:36             ` GrandMasterLee
2002-12-15  2:03               ` J.A. Magallon
2002-12-15 21:59   ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-15 22:37     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-12-15 22:43       ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-10 18:08 Gabriel Paubert
2002-12-30 13:06 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-30 14:54 ` Andi Kleen
2002-12-22 15:45 Nakajima, Jun
2002-12-22 12:33 Mikael Pettersson
2002-12-22 16:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-19 18:46 billyrose
2002-12-19 16:10 billyrose
2002-12-19 15:20 bart
2002-12-19 14:57 bart
2002-12-19 14:40 billyrose
2002-12-19 15:11 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-19 13:55 bart
2002-12-19 19:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 22:10   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-19 22:16     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 22:26       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 23:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 11:08       ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2002-12-22 18:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 19:07           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-22 19:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 19:51               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-22 20:50                 ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2002-12-22 20:56                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-22 19:17           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-20 10:08   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-20 12:06     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-20 16:47       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-20 23:38         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-20 23:50           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-21  0:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-21 17:18             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-21 19:39               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22  2:18                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-22  3:11                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 10:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-22 15:32                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-22 18:53                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-23  5:03                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-23  7:14                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-23 23:27                           ` Petr Vandrovec
2002-12-24  0:22                             ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-12-24  4:10                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24  8:05                                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-24 18:51                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24 21:10                                     ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-27 16:14                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-24 19:36                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24 20:20                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-24 20:27                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24 20:31                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-24 20:39                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-28  2:05                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-28  2:04                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-26  7:47                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-01-10 11:30                         ` Gabriel Paubert
2003-01-10 17:11                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 10:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-19 13:22 bart
2002-12-19 13:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-12-19 14:22   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-19 16:56     ` Dave Jones
2002-12-19 19:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18 23:51 billyrose
2002-12-19 13:10 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-18 12:55 Terje Eggestad
2002-12-18 20:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18 20:25   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-18 20:26     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18 22:28   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-18 22:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18 22:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-20  0:53         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-12-20  1:47           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-20  2:37             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-12-18 22:39     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  1:30 Nakajima, Jun
2002-12-18  1:54 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-18  3:36   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  4:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  4:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:40       ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-12-18  4:52         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:53         ` Andrew Morton
2002-12-18 19:12         ` Andrew Morton
2002-12-18 23:45       ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-20  3:05         ` Alan Cox
2002-12-20  4:03           ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-12-18  6:00   ` Brian Gerst
2002-12-17 16:32 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-17 17:13 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 17:19   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 17:37     ` Mikael Pettersson
2002-12-17 16:14 John Reiser
2002-12-17 16:01 John Reiser
     [not found] <20021209193649.GC10316@suse.de.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0212161639310.1623-100000@penguin.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-12-17  8:56   ` Andi Kleen
2002-12-17 16:57     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  5:25       ` Brian Gerst
2002-12-18  6:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-21 11:24           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-21 17:28             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-21 16:07         ` Christian Leber
2002-12-15  8:43 scott thomason
2002-12-15  4:06 Albert D. Cahalan
2002-12-15 22:01 ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-16  7:33   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-12-16 11:17     ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-16 17:54       ` Mark Mielke
2002-12-16 16:07         ` Jonah Sherman
2002-12-17  4:10           ` David Schwartz
2002-12-17  8:02         ` Helge Hafting
2002-12-16 19:55       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-13 21:52 Margit Schubert-While
2002-12-13 19:32 Dieter Nützel
2002-12-13 17:51 Margit Schubert-While
2002-12-11 12:48 Terje Eggestad
2002-12-11 18:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-12  9:42   ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-12 10:06     ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-12-12 10:31       ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-12 19:03       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-12 20:36     ` Mark Mielke
2002-12-12 20:56       ` J.A. Magallon
2002-12-12 20:12         ` Zac Hansen
2002-12-13  9:21         ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-13 15:58           ` Ville Herva
2002-12-13 21:57             ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-13 22:53               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-12 20:56       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-12-09  7:01 Samium Gromoff

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