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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@transmeta.com>
To: bart@etpmod.phys.tue.nl
Cc: torvalds@transmeta.com, lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk,
	terje.eggestad@scali.com, drepper@redhat.com,
	matti.aarnio@zmailer.org, hugh@veritas.com,
	davej@codemonkey.org.uk, mingo@elte.hu,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Intel P6 vs P7 system call performance
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:29:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E021E2E.2090503@transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021219132239.4650B51F88@gum12.etpnet.phys.tue.nl>

bart@etpmod.phys.tue.nl wrote:
> On 18 Dec, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Jamie Lokier wrote:
>>
>>>That said, you always need the page at 0xfffe0000 mapped anyway, so
>>>that sysexit can jump to a fixed address (which is fastest).
>>
>>Yes. This is important. There _needs_ to be some fixed address at least as 
>>far as the kernel is concerned (it might move around between reboots or 
>>something like that, but it needs to be something the kernel knows about 
>>intimately and doesn't need lots of dynamic lookup).
>>
>>However, there's another issue, namely process startup cost. I personally 
>>want it to be as light as at all possible. I hate doing an "strace" on 
>>user processes and seeing tons and tons of crapola showing up. Just for 
> 
> So why not map the magic page at 0xffffe000 at some other address as
> well? 
> 
> Static binaries can just directly jump/call into the magic page.
> 
> Shared binaries do somekind of mmap("/proc/self/mem") magic to put a
> copy of the page at an address that is convenient for them. Shared
> binaries have to do a lot of mmap-ing anyway, so the overhead should be
> negligible.
> 

That would require /proc to be mounted for all shared binaries to work.
 That is tantamount to killing chroot().

Perhaps it could be done with mremap(), but I would assume that would
entail a special case in the mremap() code.

A special system call would be a bit gross, but it's better than a total
hack.

	-hpa



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-12-19 19:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 268+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-12-19 13:22 Intel P6 vs P7 system call performance bart
2002-12-19 13:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-12-19 14:22   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-19 16:56     ` Dave Jones
2002-12-19 19:29 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-10 18:08 Gabriel Paubert
2002-12-30 13:06 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-30 14:54 ` Andi Kleen
2002-12-22 15:45 Nakajima, Jun
2002-12-22 12:33 Mikael Pettersson
2002-12-22 16:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-19 18:46 billyrose
2002-12-19 16:10 billyrose
2002-12-19 15:20 bart
2002-12-19 14:57 bart
2002-12-19 14:40 billyrose
2002-12-19 15:11 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-19 13:55 bart
2002-12-19 19:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 22:10   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-19 22:16     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 22:26       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 23:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 11:08       ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2002-12-22 18:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 19:07           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-22 19:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 19:51               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-22 20:50                 ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2002-12-22 20:56                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-22 19:17           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-20 10:08   ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-20 12:06     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-20 16:47       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-20 23:38         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-20 23:50           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-21  0:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-21 17:18             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-21 19:39               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22  2:18                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-22  3:11                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 10:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-22 15:32                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-22 18:53                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-23  5:03                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-23  7:14                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-23 23:27                           ` Petr Vandrovec
2002-12-24  0:22                             ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-12-24  4:10                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24  8:05                                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-24 18:51                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24 21:10                                     ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-27 16:14                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-24 19:36                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24 20:20                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-24 20:27                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-24 20:31                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-24 20:39                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-28  2:05                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-28  2:04                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-26  7:47                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-01-10 11:30                         ` Gabriel Paubert
2003-01-10 17:11                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-22 10:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-18 23:51 billyrose
2002-12-19 13:10 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-18 12:55 Terje Eggestad
2002-12-18 20:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18 20:25   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-18 20:26     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18 22:28   ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-18 22:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18 22:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-20  0:53         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-12-20  1:47           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-20  2:37             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-12-18 22:39     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  1:30 Nakajima, Jun
2002-12-18  1:54 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-18  3:36   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  4:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  4:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:40       ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-12-18  4:52         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:53         ` Andrew Morton
2002-12-18 19:12         ` Andrew Morton
2002-12-18 23:45       ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-20  3:05         ` Alan Cox
2002-12-20  4:03           ` Stephen Rothwell
2002-12-18  6:00   ` Brian Gerst
2002-12-17 16:32 Manfred Spraul
2002-12-17 17:13 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 17:19   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 17:37     ` Mikael Pettersson
2002-12-17 16:14 John Reiser
2002-12-17 16:01 John Reiser
     [not found] <20021209193649.GC10316@suse.de.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0212161639310.1623-100000@penguin.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-12-17  8:56   ` Andi Kleen
2002-12-17 16:57     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  5:25       ` Brian Gerst
2002-12-18  6:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-21 11:24           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-12-21 17:28             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-12-21 16:07         ` Christian Leber
2002-12-15  8:43 scott thomason
2002-12-15  4:06 Albert D. Cahalan
2002-12-15 22:01 ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-16  7:33   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-12-16 11:17     ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-16 17:54       ` Mark Mielke
2002-12-16 16:07         ` Jonah Sherman
2002-12-17  4:10           ` David Schwartz
2002-12-17  8:02         ` Helge Hafting
2002-12-16 19:55       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-13 21:52 Margit Schubert-While
2002-12-13 19:32 Dieter Nützel
2002-12-13 17:51 Margit Schubert-While
2002-12-11 12:48 Terje Eggestad
2002-12-11 18:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-12  9:42   ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-12 10:06     ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-12-12 10:31       ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-12 19:03       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-12 20:36     ` Mark Mielke
2002-12-12 20:56       ` J.A. Magallon
2002-12-12 20:12         ` Zac Hansen
2002-12-13  9:21         ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-13 15:58           ` Ville Herva
2002-12-13 21:57             ` Terje Eggestad
2002-12-13 22:53               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-12 20:56       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-12-09  8:30 Mike Hayward
2002-12-09 15:40 ` erich
2002-12-09 17:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-09 19:36   ` Dave Jones
2002-12-09 19:46     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-28 20:37       ` Ville Herva
2002-12-29  2:05         ` Christian Leber
2002-12-30 18:22           ` Christian Leber
2002-12-30 21:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-30 11:29         ` Dave Jones
2002-12-17  0:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  1:03       ` Dave Jones
2002-12-17  2:36         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  5:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  6:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17  6:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-19 14:03                 ` Shuji YAMAMURA
2002-12-17  6:19               ` GrandMasterLee
2002-12-17  6:43               ` dean gaudet
2002-12-17 16:50                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:11                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 21:39                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-17 21:41                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 21:53                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-18 23:53                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:18                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:21                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:23                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:26                         ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:30                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-19 22:34                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:36                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:26                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-12-17 20:51                   ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 20:16                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 20:49                 ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 20:12                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17  9:45             ` Andre Hedrick
2002-12-17 12:40               ` Dave Jones
2002-12-17 23:18                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-12-17 15:12               ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 23:55                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-19 22:17                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 10:53             ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 11:17               ` dada1
2002-12-17 17:33                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 17:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 17:55                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 18:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:23                   ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 18:48                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 19:19                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:44                       ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 19:52                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 19:54                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:58                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  7:20                             ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-17 18:49                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:09                       ` Ross Biro
2002-12-17 21:34                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-17 21:36                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 21:50                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-18 23:59               ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-17 16:12             ` Hugh Dickins
2002-12-17 16:33               ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-17 17:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 16:54               ` Hugh Dickins
2002-12-17 17:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 17:19                 ` Matti Aarnio
2002-12-17 17:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 18:24                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 18:33                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 18:30                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 19:04                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:19                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 19:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:32                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:44                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:53                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 20:01                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 20:17                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-18  4:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:15                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  4:39                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18  4:49                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  6:38                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18 13:17                                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-18 13:40                                 ` Horst von Brand
2002-12-18 13:47                                   ` Sean Neakums
2002-12-18 14:10                                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-12-18 14:51                                       ` dada1
2002-12-18 19:12                                       ` Mark Mielke
2002-12-18 15:52                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 16:41                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-12-18 18:41                                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-12-17 19:26                       ` Alan Cox
2002-12-17 18:57                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 19:10                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:21                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:37                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-17 19:43                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 20:07                                   ` Matti Aarnio
2002-12-17 20:10                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 19:59                                 ` Matti Aarnio
2002-12-17 20:06                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-17 20:35                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-12-18  0:20                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  0:38                                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-12-18  7:41                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-18 13:00                                 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-17 19:47                             ` Dave Jones
2002-12-18 12:57                             ` Rogier Wolff
2002-12-19  0:14                               ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-17 21:38                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-12-17 21:41                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-17 18:39                     ` Jeff Dike
2002-12-17 19:05                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-18  5:34                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2002-12-18  5:38                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-18 15:50                       ` Alan Cox
2002-12-18 23:51             ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-13 15:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-12-13 16:49   ` Mike Hayward
2002-12-14  0:55     ` GrandMasterLee
2002-12-14  4:41       ` Mike Dresser
2002-12-14  4:53         ` Mike Dresser
2002-12-14 10:01           ` Dave Jones
2002-12-14 17:48             ` Mike Dresser
2002-12-14 18:36             ` GrandMasterLee
2002-12-15  2:03               ` J.A. Magallon
2002-12-15 21:59   ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-15 22:37     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-12-15 22:43       ` Pavel Machek
2002-12-09  7:01 Samium Gromoff

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