why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of &*^%&^%^& wits???

why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of &*^%&^%^& wits???

[Allan Klinbail]

Hi Guys 

This is quite a disturbing message.. 

nearly 2 weeks ago Paul Davis marked one of my messages as something
"seriously wrong" going on .. when libraries were compiling as dynamic
not static... 

since then I have responded with full outputs of what is happening. 

In response I sent full output of what was going on .. tried to sort it
out by myself and sent further results.. 

Okay some of it was too big to get to the list immediately pending "list
moderator" acceptance.. and then some of it just purely didn't get
responded to.

I have done everything I have asked of me from the list, including
Paul's responses ..and also taken my own initiatives following lack of
response and still have recieved no response. 

Sure I am not a coder just a potential professional user.. but that
really shouldn't be an issue... 

Okay some individuals responded to some of my initial questions, and
thankyou to the two of them.. however noone has responded to further
enquiries, after acting on the responses I did get.. 

Is it because I feigned mild support to Steinberg having (while
unreleased) versions of their software for Linux?? Or is it because I'm
obviously not  a coder?? Is it simply because I used the wrong subject
line?

This disgusts me as about 2 years ago when I said I was going to give up
on Linux to the LAD lists a massive response came about saying I should
keep going and my opinions (not even problems relating to software
directly) were valued and necessary. Now when I have real problems
compiling something, contained with as much information I could forward
were included it seems it is irrelevant and no-one seems willing to
respond at all (let alone Paul) .. Other compile and/or configure
problems have been responded too earlier than mine (at all really as my
last few posts have not received any reply)   even though I acted upon
all requests made of me.

I am active in all lists that I am involved in with any replies that I
may have a potential answer to and have been promoting this OS and in
particular the potential of Ardour to many fellow professionals in the
industry. I also have rad and learnt as much as I could to give
qualitative feedback to any problems I incur.

All I seek is the ability to use open source software in preference to
rip-off commercial apps. Yes, I admit there is potential for both to
exist on this platform and would use some commerical apps to aide in
crossover but that is not the point of this (ardour-dev) list. 

It would seem only the MusE list responds to anything I send, and only a
few particular individuals at that. 

Aside from being upset, it appears to me that you guys are all a bunch
of hypocrites.. Asking for further information, and clarification but
never actually responding, while I do everything that I can possibly
thing\k of in aiding you answer my questions.. yet continue to be
ignored... It does not seem to be a coincidence that all response ended 
after my response to the string "ahem". 

So I've wasted 2+ years of my life and countless dollars continuing down
this path.

Yes this is an emotional response as it seems like my friends advised me
I should have just bought a Mac ,, inferior latency aside.. at least the
support groups there (even those non-funded as this list) genuinely
help. 

My only problem is , where do I go from here?? This really saddens me as
I thought this (Linux)  was the future. It seems it is only a future for
the GPL elite. 


extremely pissed off

Allan Klinbail  



 

  








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Re: why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of &*^%&^%^& wits???

[iriXx]

could be just list problems
i've had problems getting messages through to alsa-devel lately, i get 
them rejected after queueing for 72 hours...

m~

Allan Klinbail wrote:
> Hi Guys 
> 
> This is quite a disturbing message.. 
> 
> nearly 2 weeks ago Paul Davis marked one of my messages as something
> "seriously wrong" going on .. when libraries were compiling as dynamic
> not static... 
> 
> since then I have responded with full outputs of what is happening. 
> 
> In response I sent full output of what was going on .. tried to sort it
> out by myself and sent further results.. 
> 
> Okay some of it was too big to get to the list immediately pending "list
> moderator" acceptance.. and then some of it just purely didn't get
> responded to.
> 
> I have done everything I have asked of me from the list, including
> Paul's responses ..and also taken my own initiatives following lack of
> response and still have recieved no response. 
> 
> Sure I am not a coder just a potential professional user.. but that
> really shouldn't be an issue... 
> 
> Okay some individuals responded to some of my initial questions, and
> thankyou to the two of them.. however noone has responded to further
> enquiries, after acting on the responses I did get.. 
> 
> Is it because I feigned mild support to Steinberg having (while
> unreleased) versions of their software for Linux?? Or is it because I'm
> obviously not  a coder?? Is it simply because I used the wrong subject
> line?
> 
> This disgusts me as about 2 years ago when I said I was going to give up
> on Linux to the LAD lists a massive response came about saying I should
> keep going and my opinions (not even problems relating to software
> directly) were valued and necessary. Now when I have real problems
> compiling something, contained with as much information I could forward
> were included it seems it is irrelevant and no-one seems willing to
> respond at all (let alone Paul) .. Other compile and/or configure
> problems have been responded too earlier than mine (at all really as my
> last few posts have not received any reply)   even though I acted upon
> all requests made of me.
> 
> I am active in all lists that I am involved in with any replies that I
> may have a potential answer to and have been promoting this OS and in
> particular the potential of Ardour to many fellow professionals in the
> industry. I also have rad and learnt as much as I could to give
> qualitative feedback to any problems I incur.
> 
> All I seek is the ability to use open source software in preference to
> rip-off commercial apps. Yes, I admit there is potential for both to
> exist on this platform and would use some commerical apps to aide in
> crossover but that is not the point of this (ardour-dev) list. 
> 
> It would seem only the MusE list responds to anything I send, and only a
> few particular individuals at that. 
> 
> Aside from being upset, it appears to me that you guys are all a bunch
> of hypocrites.. Asking for further information, and clarification but
> never actually responding, while I do everything that I can possibly
> thing\k of in aiding you answer my questions.. yet continue to be
> ignored... It does not seem to be a coincidence that all response ended 
> after my response to the string "ahem". 
> 
> So I've wasted 2+ years of my life and countless dollars continuing down
> this path.
> 
> Yes this is an emotional response as it seems like my friends advised me
> I should have just bought a Mac ,, inferior latency aside.. at least the
> support groups there (even those non-funded as this list) genuinely
> help. 
> 
> My only problem is , where do I go from here?? This really saddens me as
> I thought this (Linux)  was the future. It seems it is only a future for
> the GPL elite. 
> 
> 
> extremely pissed off
> 
> Allan Klinbail  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of &*^%&^%^& wits???

[Paul Davis]

>I have done everything I have asked of me from the list, including
>Paul's responses ..and also taken my own initiatives following lack of
>response and still have recieved no response. 

 [ ... ]

>Aside from being upset, it appears to me that you guys are all a bunch
>of hypocrites.. Asking for further information, and clarification but
>never actually responding, while I do everything that I can possibly
>thing\k of in aiding you answer my questions.. yet continue to be
>ignored... It does not seem to be a coincidence that all response ended 
>after my response to the string "ahem". 
>
>So I've wasted 2+ years of my life and countless dollars continuing down
>this path.

Do you know how much of my life and money I've spent "continuing down
this path"? In return for getting up every day for 3+ years (bar some
months in the summer) and working my ass off to produce something
people claimed would take hundreds of man years to create, finding
2-300 emails per day in my mail box about audio software, hardware,
and the rest ... I get this. Its pathetic. Not only that ... I have no
idea how much longer I can keep working on Ardour right now because
working on it has come close to exhausting my financial
resources. What right do you have to complain about "countless
dollars"?

You have been given access to the inside of the entire development
process of a major piece of software: something you would never, ever
have any access to with a commercial company. If you don't like the
fact that nobody has time to answer your questions because we too
**DAMN BUSY** trying to get software to the point where non-coders can
use it with satisfaction and ease, well ...  go get products & support
from companies that will happily take your money for both of
them. There are plenty of good ones.

Your insinuations about some agenda based on your feelings about
Steinberg and/or your status as a coder (or not) are offensive. 

--p

ps. the word is "fuckwit". you don't need to add punctuation marks,
    which only make it more offensive.



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Re: why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of &*^%&^%^& wits???

[Allan Klinbail]

Yes that is my last response the alsa developers ML. I did not expect a
response from that post.. 

The message was to the ardour-dev ML which has been silent to any query
of mine for nearly 2 weeks.. 

To clarify alsa-dev has been pretty good.. However my problems and
queries to this list have been minimal. I have received help from people
on this list.. I CC'd in to the alsa list to show what has been occuring

BUT.. when it comes to queries responding the ardour software.. it seem
I can't illicit a response....especially after I expressed that
Steinberg developing versions of commercial software for Linux could
actually be a positive thing  

APOLOGIES to anyone on the alsa developers ML who feel this was directed
at them . 



On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 01:15, tomasz motylewski wrote:
> 
> Well, the last email from you (2003-02-03) ended like:
> 
> > I can confirm to ALSA-DEV list that intel8x0 chip works for SiS 645DX
> > chipset motherboard for audio and will confirm all MIDI functionality
> > within the week. 
> 
> This does not look like something which needs to be resonded to. I think
> you refer to messages on some other mailing lists, not Alsa-devel?
> 
> Best regards,
> --
> Tomasz Motylewski
> 
> 
> 




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Re: why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of &*^%&^%^& wits???

[Allan Klinbail]

Thanks for the support

This has had more to do with the ardour-dev ML and specific questions
there.

However it doesn't surprise me that the responses so far have all come
from the alsa developers ML. The question was posed to the ardour
developers maling list and cc'd in to other lists that have responded
(or partially) responded to my messages. 

As I mentioned I had responded to replies to some of my queries but for
the last 1.5 to 2 weeks have been completely ignored even after I was
requested to post more information which I did at first possible
opportunity 





On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 01:10, tomasz motylewski wrote:
> 
> Privately, from my experience on many such mailing lists - no response means
> either a silly question with no details which proves you have not read the
> documentation, OR just a really good, difficult question nobody has an answer
> to. Your is the second case. And if it is not asked by more people and not
> answered in 1-2 days then it is lost.
> 
> Best regards,
> --
> Tomek
> 




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