[parisc-linux] {kinda OT] A4947A applicability? and FC driver work

[parisc-linux] {kinda OT] A4947A applicability? and FC driver work

[Tom]

I found one of these kits on eBay - C200 to C240 upgrade, CPU on
mainboard. Do any of the HP techs around here know if it'll also fit a
C180? It'd be nice to drop a large performance upgrade into it for not
much cash...

Also, after the thread on fiber-card drivers, I realized my C180 has a
fiber card in it. It's completely unused - if someone could use it in an
attempt to further driver support I'd happily donate it... As soon as I
get a chance to shut it down and tear it open I'll pull the part # off
of it...

Re: [parisc-linux] {kinda OT] A4947A applicability? and FC driver work

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 07:54:57PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> I found one of these kits on eBay - C200 to C240 upgrade, CPU on
> mainboard. Do any of the HP techs around here know if it'll also fit a
> C180? It'd be nice to drop a large performance upgrade into it for not
> much cash...

Well... it'll _fit_.  Whether firmware will work properly is anyone's
guess.  There's various differences between the C180 and C200 that
make this combination not sure to succeed.  My personal opinion (and
not speaking on behalf of my emplyer) is that it's going to work 90%.
Maybe the onboard scsi controller won't be initialised properly.
Maybe the missing bit of init won't make any difference to Linux or
maybe it'll start corrupting data.  It's a bit of a gamble.

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Re: [parisc-linux] {kinda OT] A4947A applicability? and FC driver work

[Berthold Gunreben]

Am Sonntag, 4. Mai 2003 06:17 schrieb Matthew Wilcox:
> On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 07:54:57PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > I found one of these kits on eBay - C200 to C240 upgrade, CPU on
> > mainboard. Do any of the HP techs around here know if it'll also fit a
> > C180? It'd be nice to drop a large performance upgrade into it for not
> > much cash...
>
> Well... it'll _fit_.  Whether firmware will work properly is anyone's
> guess. There's various differences between the C180 and C200 that
> make this combination not sure to succeed.  My personal opinion (and
> not speaking on behalf of my emplyer) is that it's going to work 90%.

I don=B4t think you will be very happy with it. One of the bigger problems =
will=20
be your power supply. The C240 has a much stronger power supply (at least t=
he=20
one that I have) than the C180.=20

> Maybe the onboard scsi controller won't be initialised properly.
> Maybe the missing bit of init won't make any difference to Linux or
> maybe it'll start corrupting data.  It's a bit of a gamble.

Re: [parisc-linux] {kinda OT] A4947A applicability? and FC driver work

[Derek Engelhaupt]

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You are also going to have a problem with the serial number, product number, and software ID on the board.  They have to be set in the EEPROM of the new board and only an HP engineer can program those item in the new board.  The program we use to set those items is not licensed to anyone, including channel partners that fix some of our workstations.  Without these items set the machine may complete selftest, but will not boot.  More than likely it will complain at the BCH about not having a valid serial number or SWID.  They are right about the power supply too, the C240 has a bigger power supply.  The I/O backplane on the C240 is WSE and not HVD like the C180.  I really think you would have problems trying to do this upgrade yourself.  The memory would transfer over even though the C200-C360 use a 50ns memory and the C110-C180 use 60ns memery. derek

Berthold Gunreben <b.gunreben@web.de> wrote:Am Sonntag, 4. Mai 2003 06:17 schrieb Matthew Wilcox:
> On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 07:54:57PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > I found one of these kits on eBay - C200 to C240 upgrade, CPU on
> > mainboard. Do any of the HP techs around here know if it'll also fit a
> > C180? It'd be nice to drop a large performance upgrade into it for not
> > much cash...
>
> Well... it'll _fit_. Whether firmware will work properly is anyone's
> guess. There's various differences between the C180 and C200 that
> make this combination not sure to succeed. My personal opinion (and
> not speaking on behalf of my emplyer) is that it's going to work 90%.

I don´t think you will be very happy with it. One of the bigger problems will 
be your power supply. The C240 has a much stronger power supply (at least the 
one that I have) than the C180. 

> Maybe the onboard scsi controller won't be initialised properly.
> Maybe the missing bit of init won't make any difference to Linux or
> maybe it'll start corrupting data. It's a bit of a gamble.

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Re: [parisc-linux] {kinda OT] A4947A applicability? and FC driver work

[Chuck Slivkoff]

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Berthold Gunreben wrote:

>Am Sonntag, 4. Mai 2003 06:17 schrieb Matthew Wilcox:
>  
>
>>On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 07:54:57PM -0800, Tom wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>I found one of these kits on eBay - C200 to C240 upgrade, CPU on
>>>mainboard. Do any of the HP techs around here know if it'll also fit a
>>>C180? It'd be nice to drop a large performance upgrade into it for not
>>>much cash...
>>>
If you can navigate your was through docs.hp.com, you can find these 
manuals (PDF):

    installing the hp Visualize workstation c100, c110, c160, c180 to 
c200 CPU upgrade (a4200-900xx)
    installing the hp Visualize workstation c200 to c240 CPU upgrade 
(a4200-90035)

at this excessively long URL:

  http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DocumentIndex.jsp?
  contentType=SupportManual&locale=en_US&prodTypeId=12454&
  prodSeriesId=76204&taskId=130&prodSeriesId=76204&docIndexId=120917

>>Well... it'll _fit_.  Whether firmware will work properly is anyone's
>>guess. There's various differences between the C180 and C200 that
>>make this combination not sure to succeed.  My personal opinion (and
>>not speaking on behalf of my emplyer) is that it's going to work 90%.
>>    
>>
>
>I don´t think you will be very happy with it. One of the bigger problems will 
>be your power supply. The C240 has a much stronger power supply (at least the 
>one that I have) than the C180. 
>
IIRC, the main reason for the larger power supply in the C200 (& up) was 
to support the Visualize FX-6 graphics interface (which has 3 
PA-8000-based geometry engines & is not supported under Linux). I 
believe the board will fit and as long as the power connections are the 
same, it will probably work. But, there may still be hooks in the 
firmware to detect the larger power supply. I might know someone who can 
answer this, but it would probably take a few days.

BTW, the service manual for the C-xxx models are available on that same URL.



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