position at sun/paul davis

position at sun/paul davis

[Orm Finnendahl]

Dear Javier Diaz,

I just learned that Sun rejected the application of Paul Davis for
its job opening in San Jose concerning the architecting of
SunRay(thin client) apparently for not considering him competent and
appropriate.

I'm working in Europe mainly for electronic music studios in the
academic field. It is well known here that Paul Davis is one of the
principal developers in the open source linux audio community. It
seems ironic that one of the motors of linux audio development isn't
even considered for a position in a major company, using software
which is partly based on his free work. In addition not being able to
judge Davis' competence doesn't enhance our trust in the quality of
the products Sun develops.

Be assured, the news about this decision is spread here in Europe and
will have a significant impact on our choice of hardware purchase in
the future.

Please notify the responsible members of your staff.

Orm Finnendahl

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Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:02:53 PDT 
To: jackit-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
From: Javier.Diaz@yoh.com 
Subject: [Jackit-devel] could you please post this opening for a 12 month contract in San Jose, CA. 
 
DUTIES >> Work as a member of a team in architecting Audio framework for 
SunRay(thin client) on Linux.Work involves in-depth understanding of the 
Audio frameworks in Linux space such as (OSS and ALSA) and providing 
multi-user pseudo 
audio device interface for SunRay.****Must have experience on 
implementation of CSS and/or ALSA framework and has contributed tothe Linux 
Opensrc community. In depth Linux kernal experience is a must.*** 
 
SKILLS >> Strong C and Linux kernel programming/debugging skills. 
Working knowledge of Audio drivers based on OSS and ALSA. 
In-depth working knowledge of ALSA kernel interfaces. 
Demonstrated contributions to ALSA framework is desirable. 
Working knowledge of Linux distributions including Rehat, Suse. 
Minimum of two years experience in driver development in Linux. 
Minimum of five years experience in systems software development. 
 
EDUCATION >> BS in CS/EE with 9+ years of industry experience. 
 
Best Regards,
Javier Diaz

Contract Manager
Yoh Company
Hardware, Software and Wireless Technologies
(408) 654-9192 Ext. 256
(408) 654-9197 Fax
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Re: position at sun/paul davis

[Mark Knecht]

Orm,
   I must say that I think this is the biggest bunch of crap I've seen
on a Linux list in a long time. This list is no place for this sort of
discussion and it's really a low act on your part to publish innuendo
and rumor like it was the truth.

   Even if it was true (AND I'M NOT SAYING IT IS. I HAVE NO INFORMATION
AT ALL.) that Paul was not hired for some job at Sun, there are about a
1000 other potential reasons why that might have happened vs. some rumor
of his technical capabilities, and I do not see what bearing a Sun-Ray
job has on Alsa development anyway.

   I think the fact that you are publishing nothing but rumor is really
a lousy thing to do and that you should apologize to the group here and
to Paul personally for such a childish act. Even if you have real data,
this is no place to play these games, and this is no way to do it.

   If this was a moderated reflector I would ask to have you banned.
What a piece of work you are.

   I am not a member of the Jack Development list so my response is not
going there. If a member of that list sees any reason to send my note
there, please do.

With best regards,
Mark

On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 00:37, Orm Finnendahl wrote:
> Dear Javier Diaz,
> 
> I just learned that Sun rejected the application of Paul Davis for
> its job opening in San Jose concerning the architecting of
> SunRay(thin client) apparently for not considering him competent and
> appropriate.
> 
> I'm working in Europe mainly for electronic music studios in the
> academic field. It is well known here that Paul Davis is one of the
> principal developers in the open source linux audio community. It
> seems ironic that one of the motors of linux audio development isn't
> even considered for a position in a major company, using software
> which is partly based on his free work. In addition not being able to
> judge Davis' competence doesn't enhance our trust in the quality of
> the products Sun develops.
> 
> Be assured, the news about this decision is spread here in Europe and
> will have a significant impact on our choice of hardware purchase in
> the future.
> 
> Please notify the responsible members of your staff.
> 
> Orm Finnendahl
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:02:53 PDT 
> To: jackit-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
> From: Javier.Diaz@yoh.com 
> Subject: [Jackit-devel] could you please post this opening for a 12 month contract in San Jose, CA. 
>  
> DUTIES >> Work as a member of a team in architecting Audio framework for 
> SunRay(thin client) on Linux.Work involves in-depth understanding of the 
> Audio frameworks in Linux space such as (OSS and ALSA) and providing 
> multi-user pseudo 
> audio device interface for SunRay.****Must have experience on 
> implementation of CSS and/or ALSA framework and has contributed tothe Linux 
> Opensrc community. In depth Linux kernal experience is a must.*** 
>  
> SKILLS >> Strong C and Linux kernel programming/debugging skills. 
> Working knowledge of Audio drivers based on OSS and ALSA. 
> In-depth working knowledge of ALSA kernel interfaces. 
> Demonstrated contributions to ALSA framework is desirable. 
> Working knowledge of Linux distributions including Rehat, Suse. 
> Minimum of two years experience in driver development in Linux. 
> Minimum of five years experience in systems software development. 
>  
> EDUCATION >> BS in CS/EE with 9+ years of industry experience. 
>  
> Best Regards,
> Javier Diaz
> 
> Contract Manager
> Yoh Company
> Hardware, Software and Wireless Technologies
> (408) 654-9192 Ext. 256
> (408) 654-9197 Fax
> ------------------------------------------------
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> 
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Re: position at sun/paul davis

[Orm Finnendahl]

Am Freitag, den 30. Mai 2003 um 07:00:02 Uhr (-0700) schrieb Mark Knecht:
> Orm,
>    I must say that I think this is the biggest bunch of crap I've seen
> on a Linux list in a long time. This list is no place for this sort of
> discussion and it's really a low act on your part to publish innuendo
> and rumor like it was the truth.

Hi Mark,

my sincere apologies, if I offended you, Paul or anybody else on this
list. Paul posted this information on jackit-devel, as was the job
offer so I considered my post appropriate. No low act intended on my
side.

I'll quote his mail below in case you didn't read it.

sorry fore the noise. I'll take the blame.

Orm

---------------------------------------------------------------
-------Original Message-------
From: Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>
Sent: 05/28/03 03:55 PM
To: jackit-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: position at sun

> 
> I'd just like to point out that Sun decided that my resume wasn't
adequate for the position that was posted here yesterday. Apparently,
Sun's representative said "the candidate must have in depth Linux
kernel experience.  Also experience in implementation of OSS and/or
ALSA framework and has contributed to the Linux Opensrc community."

I'm taking this as a personal affront for the time being. If you think
you or someone else has a better resume to match what Sun advertised,
you should probably get in touch with them. Be sure to send Sun my
regards.

Oh well, Ardour is a more interesting project anyway :)

--p
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Re: position at sun/paul davis

[James Courtier-Dutton]

Orm Finnendahl wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 30. Mai 2003 um 07:00:02 Uhr (-0700) schrieb Mark Knecht:
> 
>>Orm,
>>   I must say that I think this is the biggest bunch of crap I've seen
>>on a Linux list in a long time. This list is no place for this sort of
>>discussion and it's really a low act on your part to publish innuendo
>>and rumor like it was the truth.
> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> my sincere apologies, if I offended you, Paul or anybody else on this
> list. Paul posted this information on jackit-devel, as was the job
> offer so I considered my post appropriate. No low act intended on my
> side.
> 
> I'll quote his mail below in case you didn't read it.
> 
> sorry fore the noise. I'll take the blame.
> 
> Orm
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>
> Sent: 05/28/03 03:55 PM
> To: jackit-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: position at sun
> 
> 
>>I'd just like to point out that Sun decided that my resume wasn't
> 
> adequate for the position that was posted here yesterday. Apparently,
> Sun's representative said "the candidate must have in depth Linux
> kernel experience.  Also experience in implementation of OSS and/or
> ALSA framework and has contributed to the Linux Opensrc community."
> 
> I'm taking this as a personal affront for the time being. If you think
> you or someone else has a better resume to match what Sun advertised,
> you should probably get in touch with them. Be sure to send Sun my
> regards.
> 
> Oh well, Ardour is a more interesting project anyway :)
> 
> --p
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 

I think that this whole job opening was a prank.
If they don't accept people like Paul, they obviously have no idea what 
linux audio is all about.
I think that if this job opening was for real, the offer would have come 
from a xyz@sun.com email address. Sun should not have to call on a 3rd 
party just to send emails to a mailing list.

If this opening was in fact truly from sun, then too bad, because I 
doubt they will find anyone now that they have rejected Paul.

Summary: I think the "job opening at sun" email was for some other 
devious purpose apart from offering a job.

Cheers
James



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RE: position at sun/paul davis

[Mark Knecht]

Orm,
   Imagine my surprise when I rejoined Alsa-Dev yesterday for the first time
in at least a month and this was the second email I received?! I am not a
member of the Jack lists anymore, so I did not see anything that was posted
by anyone, including Paul, there. I looked in the archives of this list,
found nothing, and simply had to think that it was some weird personal
attack against Paul. I now see that it was not and would like to apologize.

   I consider both your explanation and especially your graciousness about
explaining it to be first rate. Thank you. If you were offended by anything
I said, please accept my apologies. Paul is a hard working individual, and
quite capable of doing most programming tasks I'm sure. Whether he was
qualified for the job at Sun that focused on the Linux kernel, or whether
there were other issues involved, I do not nor want to know.

   I still think this wasn't the place for this sort of message, but I
suppose that since Paul's original post started it you were simply
responding to that. That said, even rereading your post, I found it hard to
be sure you were supporting Paul and anti-Sun. I think had that been clearer
I might not have written anything at all.

   Please accept both my apologies as well as my thanks for how you handled
this response.

   Again, in fairness, please forward this response to any list or person
that might have received my previous post.

With best regards,
Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: alsa-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net
> [mailto:alsa-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Orm
> Finnendahl
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:38 AM
> To: alsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] position at sun/paul davis
>
>
> Am Freitag, den 30. Mai 2003 um 07:00:02 Uhr (-0700) schrieb Mark Knecht:
> > Orm,
> >    I must say that I think this is the biggest bunch of crap I've seen
> > on a Linux list in a long time. This list is no place for this sort of
> > discussion and it's really a low act on your part to publish innuendo
> > and rumor like it was the truth.
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> my sincere apologies, if I offended you, Paul or anybody else on this
> list. Paul posted this information on jackit-devel, as was the job
> offer so I considered my post appropriate. No low act intended on my
> side.
>
> I'll quote his mail below in case you didn't read it.
>
> sorry fore the noise. I'll take the blame.
>
> Orm
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>
> Sent: 05/28/03 03:55 PM
> To: jackit-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: position at sun
>
> >
> > I'd just like to point out that Sun decided that my resume wasn't
> adequate for the position that was posted here yesterday. Apparently,
> Sun's representative said "the candidate must have in depth Linux
> kernel experience.  Also experience in implementation of OSS and/or
> ALSA framework and has contributed to the Linux Opensrc community."
>
> I'm taking this as a personal affront for the time being. If you think
> you or someone else has a better resume to match what Sun advertised,
> you should probably get in touch with them. Be sure to send Sun my
> regards.
>
> Oh well, Ardour is a more interesting project anyway :)
>
> --p
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>
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Re: position at sun/paul davis

[John F. Hubbard]

Dear James and ALSA developers,
         I should like to add a note of optimism in an otherwise depressing 
situation:  I can personally verify that the job position (for Linux Audio 
on Sun/Ray) was at least formally entered as a requisition to a real 
recruiting company.  The recuiting company, Yoh, Inc., is located just 
three blocks away from my company in Silicon Valley, and I actually visited 
them in person, and interviewed with Javier's colleague, Dave Dixon.  The 
company has a beautiful office, staffed with lots of busy people, and they 
have some pretty good credentials, having staffed a number of local companies.

         In fact, it was through their lead that I first became interested 
in working on Linux Audio (not that I am anything more than a student of 
ALSA, at this point), in hopes of eventually gaining enough experience to 
qualify for positions such as the one under discussion.

         I post this in the hope that the high-quality people working on 
Linux and Linux Audio will remember that real companies actually do have 
real interest in hiring open source development experts.


thanks,
john h
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John F. Hubbard
hubbardjohn@earthlink.net
http://www.hubbard-software.com
(408) 297-8217   (home) 



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