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From: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
To: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
Cc: linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Felipe Alfaro Solana <felipe_alfaro@linuxmail.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] O13int for interactivity
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:17:51 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F2F21DF.1050601@cyberone.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200308051306.38180.kernel@kolivas.org>



Con Kolivas wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:21, Nick Piggin wrote:
>
>>>I've already posted a better solution in O13.1
>>>
>>No, this still special-cases the uninterruptible sleep. Why is this
>>needed? What is being worked around? There is probably a way to
>>attack the cause of the problem.
>>
>
>Sure I'm open to any and all ideas. Cpu hogs occasionally do significant I/O. 
>Up until that time they have been only losing sleep_avg as they have spent no 
>time sleeping; and this is what gives them a lower dynamic priority. During 
>uninterruptible sleep all of a sudden they are seen as sleeping even though 
>they are cpu hogs waiting on I/O. Witness the old standard, a kernel compile. 
>The very first time you launch a make -j something, the higher the something, 
>the longer all the jobs wait on I/O, the better the dynamic priority they 
>get, which they shouldn't. 
>

Well I don't think the scheduler should really care about a process waiting
1 second vs a process waiting 10 seconds. The point of the dynamic priority
here is that 1 you want the process to wake up soon to respond to the IO,
and 2 you want to give it a bit of an advantage vs a non sleeping CPU hog,
right? I think a very rapidly decaying benefit vs sleep time is in order.

>
>No, this is not just a "fix the scheduler so you don't feel -j kernel 
>compiles" as it happens with any cpu hog starving other tasks, and the longer 
>the cpu hogs wait on I/O the worse it is.  This change causes a _massive_ 
>improvement for that test case which usually brings the machine to a 
>standstill the size of which is dependent on the number of cpu hogs and the 
>size of their I/O wait. I don't think the latest incarnation should be a 
>problem. In my limited testing I've not found any difference in throughput 
>but I don't have a major testbed at my disposal, nor time to use one if it 
>was offered which is why I requested more testing. 
>
>Thoughts?
>

Well if it really is the right thing to do, it should be done with _any_
type of sleep, not just uninterruptible. But you may have just answered
your question there: "the longer cpu hogs wait on I/O the worse it is".
Change the dynamic priority boost so this is no longer the case.

I understand this is essentially what you have done, but you did it in a
way that does not allow a task to become "interactive". Try changing the
formula used to derive the priority boost?



  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-05  3:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-04 16:07 [PATCH] O13int for interactivity Con Kolivas
2003-08-04 18:24 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-08-04 19:15 ` Antonio Vargas
2003-08-04 21:32   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-04 20:11 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-04 22:11   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  7:10     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-05  2:11 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  2:20   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  2:21     ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  3:06       ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  3:17         ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2003-08-06 18:48           ` Interactivity improvements Timothy Miller
2003-08-06 19:01             ` Mike Fedyk
2003-08-06 20:09             ` Helge Hafting
2003-08-06 21:15             ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  3:18       ` [PATCH] O13int for interactivity Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  3:31         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  5:04           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  5:12             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  5:16               ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  5:28                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 10:22                   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:32                     ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 10:45                       ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:48                         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 10:56                           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 11:03                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 11:12                               ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 11:23                                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 11:34                                   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:54                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-08-05 11:10                           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-06 21:33                       ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-06 21:33                         ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-07  0:27                           ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-07  0:27                             ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-07  0:44                               ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-11  6:48                       ` Rob Landley
2003-08-11 15:47                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-12  2:51                         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  6:16                           ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12  7:07                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  7:18                               ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  9:42                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12 21:11                                   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-08-13  6:55                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12  9:22                               ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12  9:37                                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  9:48                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12 10:29                           ` Rob Landley
2003-08-12 11:08                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12 11:35                               ` Rob Landley
2003-08-12 11:58                                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-13  2:08                                   ` jw schultz
2003-08-13  3:07                                     ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-13  3:24                                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-13  5:24                                         ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-13  5:43                                           ` Andrew McGregor
2003-08-13 12:33                                             ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-14  5:03                                               ` Andrew McGregor
2003-08-14 10:48                                                 ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-12 15:36                           ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-05  6:03             ` Andrew Morton
2003-08-05  7:26               ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  8:12                 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-08-05  8:20                   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  8:27                     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-05  8:43                       ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  9:09                         ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-05  9:19                           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:04                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-11  6:57                 ` Rob Landley
2003-08-11 15:58                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-05  7:53               ` Mike Galbraith
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     [not found] ` <jUl6.5eh.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <jUuT.5kZ.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <jWn1.6K1.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-13 13:48       ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-13 14:50         ` Gene Heskett
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-08-06 10:35 Voluspa
2003-08-04 19:12 Voluspa
2003-07-27 15:12 [PATCH] O10int " Con Kolivas
2003-07-28 18:08 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-07-28 18:40   ` Andrew Morton
2003-08-04 18:51     ` [PATCH] O13int " Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-08-04 18:58       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-08-04 21:46         ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-04 22:16           ` Felipe Alfaro Solana

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