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From: Christian Axelsson <smiler@lanil.mine.nu>
To: Maciej Zenczykowski <maze@cela.pl>
Cc: Pontus Fuchs <pof@users.sourceforge.net>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Announce: ndiswrapper
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:37:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FBA2091.70602@lanil.mine.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311181422300.29639-100000@gaia.cela.pl>

Maciej Zenczykowski wrote:
>>Pontus Fuchs wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Since some vendors refuses to release specs or even a binary
>>>Linux-driver for their WLAN cards I desided to try to solve it myself by
>>>making a kernel module that can load Ndis (windows network driver API)
>>>drivers. I'm not trying to implement all of the Ndis API but rather
>>>implement the functions needed to get these unsupported cards working.
>>
>>Sounds like a plan!
> 
> 
> Definetely agree - question though, are you loading these drivers into 
> ring 0 (kernel space)?  As far as I know linux only supports ring 0 
> (kernel) and 3 (userspace).  However this would seem to be the perfect 
> place to load the binary modules in ring 1 (or even userspace if that was 
> possible...).  I can't say I trust any binary only and/or windows driver 
> to not make a mess of my kernel :)  actually the driver may actually be 
> errorless - it's just designed for a different operating system and thus 
> some unexplainable misshaps could easily happen...

There are development of a userspace driver API I think but I dont know 
the state of it nor the speed impacts.

> While we're at it, loading binary only modules into ring 1 would probably 
> also be a good idea for the NV module et al.  Although I have no idea how 
> hard it would be to make ring 1 function (and whether there actually is 
> any point to doing it in ring 1 instead of ring 3 with iopl/ioperm anyway) 
> and how big the performance penalty for non-ring 0 would be...

See above.

-- 
Christan Axelsson
smiler@lanil.mine.nu



  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-18 13:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-18 11:02 Announce: ndiswrapper Pontus Fuchs
2003-11-18 12:51 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-11-18 13:26   ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 13:37     ` Christian Axelsson [this message]
2003-11-18 13:49     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-18 14:02       ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-11-18 13:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-18 14:14   ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 14:49     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-11-18 15:31       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 14:19   ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-18 14:31   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-18 22:22 ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-20  3:11 Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20  3:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20  3:34   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 12:05     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-21 17:25       ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:30         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-21 17:43           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-21 17:48           ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:50         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-20  4:00   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  4:16     ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  4:35       ` Neil Brown
2003-11-20  4:49         ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  4:57           ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-11-20  5:05             ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  6:50               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-20  5:27           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  5:36             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20  5:36             ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  4:38       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  4:59         ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20  5:12           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  5:27             ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-24 15:40               ` Rik van Riel
2003-11-20 12:41           ` Diego Calleja García
2003-11-20 13:04             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-11-20 20:24             ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2003-11-20  5:11         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-20  9:56         ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-20 13:15           ` Ralph Metzler
2003-11-20  6:52       ` Matt Mackall
2003-11-20  7:40         ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 10:13         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-11-20 10:17           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 22:47             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 22:59               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 23:26                 ` Oliver Hunt
2003-11-20 23:32                 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 13:19         ` Gene Heskett
2003-11-20 23:15         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20  5:25     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20  5:26       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20  6:54         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-20 17:27           ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 23:57             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-21  0:03               ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 16:47       ` Jason Lunz
2003-11-20 17:36         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20 17:24     ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 17:48       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-20 18:03       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 23:01       ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-21  5:48         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-21  7:26           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-21  7:37             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-21  7:47             ` Nuno Silva
2003-11-21  7:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-20 10:55 ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-20 17:22   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 23:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 23:45   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:08     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-23 23:13 ` Jan Rychter
2003-11-20 23:53 Mudama, Eric
2003-11-21  0:00 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21  1:01   ` Bob McElrath
2003-11-24 17:42     ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-21  7:58   ` Jan De Luyck
2003-11-21  8:59   ` Jamie Lokier
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     [not found] ` <TPHV.1vf.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <TQXu.420.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-11-21  2:53     ` Andrew Miklas
2003-11-21 10:33       ` Maciej Zenczykowski

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