ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Torrey Hoffman]

You may already know this, but the ice1712 driver doesn't work in Andrew
Morton's 2.6.1-mm? kernels which include the latest ALSA updates.

Tested with an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96. 

2.6.1-vanilla works, so does the 2.4 Fedora Core 1 kernel with ALSA
drivers from FreshRPMs.

Thanks!

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Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Jaroslav Kysela]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Torrey Hoffman wrote:

> You may already know this, but the ice1712 driver doesn't work in Andrew
> Morton's 2.6.1-mm? kernels which include the latest ALSA updates.
>
> 
> Tested with an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96. 

What exactly does not work? I tested EWX 24/96 with mm3 and it works 
pretty well.

						Jaroslav

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Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Torrey Hoffman]

On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 14:09, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Torrey Hoffman wrote:
> 
> > You may already know this, but the ice1712 driver doesn't work in Andrew
> > Morton's 2.6.1-mm? kernels which include the latest ALSA updates.
> >
> > 
> > Tested with an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96. 
> 
> What exactly does not work? I tested EWX 24/96 with mm3 and it works 
> pretty well.

In 2.6.1-mm5, which I'm running at the moment, I just get no sound
output.  No error messages.  The envy24control level meters don't show
any sound output.

2.6.1 vanilla works fine.  So does the 2.4 kernel that comes with Fedora
Core 1, using the latest ALSA driver sets from FreshRPMs.

I'm not the only one having problems with this driver in the latest ALSA
versions... on the ALSA development mailing list, Klaus-Peter Schrage
<kpschrage@gmx.de> told me today that he and others on the alsa-user
list have reported problems as well.

I'm very motivated to get this working, and am happy to apply patches,
recompile my kernel, or do anything else that would help debug the
problem.  


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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Steffen Sauder]

Torrey Hoffman wrote:

>In 2.6.1-mm5, which I'm running at the moment, I just get no sound
>output.  No error messages.  The envy24control level meters don't show
>any sound output.
>  
>
I have the same problem with my Terratec DMX6fire, running gentoo / 
2.6.1 with the alsa-kernel directory from alsa-driver-1.0.1 merged into 
the kernel sources as described in the wiki. Sometimes  I hear some kind 
of looped noise instead of silence which stays the same no matter what I 
try to play.

I found out that unloading all alsa modules, recompiling alsa-lib and 
restarting alsa seemes to make it work again until the next reboot.

>I'm very motivated to get this working, and am happy to apply patches,
>recompile my kernel, or do anything else that would help debug the
>problem.  
>
>  
>
Same here, I could try out some stuff or send you more information, but 
I don't know where to start.

gruss,
Steffen




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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Justin Turner Arthur]

Steffen Sauder wrote:

> Torrey Hoffman wrote:
>
>> In 2.6.1-mm5, which I'm running at the moment, I just get no sound
>> output.  No error messages.  The envy24control level meters don't show
>> any sound output.
>>  
>>
> I have the same problem with my Terratec DMX6fire, running gentoo / 
> 2.6.1 with the alsa-kernel directory from alsa-driver-1.0.1 merged 
> into the kernel sources as described in the wiki. Sometimes  I hear 
> some kind of looped noise instead of silence which stays the same no 
> matter what I try to play.
>
I'm getting this nasty looped noise as well using a M-Audio Delta 1010lt 
with alsa 1.0.1 merged into kernel 2.6.1

This also occured using Alsa 1.0.0rc2.

This is definetely an annoying bug.



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Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Jaroslav Kysela]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Torrey Hoffman wrote:

> On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 14:09, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Torrey Hoffman wrote:
> > 
> > > You may already know this, but the ice1712 driver doesn't work in Andrew
> > > Morton's 2.6.1-mm? kernels which include the latest ALSA updates.
> > >
> > > 
> > > Tested with an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96. 
> > 
> > What exactly does not work? I tested EWX 24/96 with mm3 and it works 
> > pretty well.
> 
> In 2.6.1-mm5, which I'm running at the moment, I just get no sound
> output.  No error messages.  The envy24control level meters don't show
> any sound output.
> 
> 2.6.1 vanilla works fine.  So does the 2.4 kernel that comes with Fedora
> Core 1, using the latest ALSA driver sets from FreshRPMs.

Can you try 2.6.1-rc1 with alsa-bk-2004-01-20.patch.gz available at our 
ftp site (/pub/kernel-patches)? It should fix your problem.

						Jaroslav

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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Steffen Sauder]

Jaroslav Kysela wrote:

>
>Can you try 2.6.1-rc1 with alsa-bk-2004-01-20.patch.gz available at our 
>ftp site (/pub/kernel-patches)? It should fix your problem.
>  
>
Thanks a lot Jaroslav! That fixed the problem for me. One small hint for 
everyone else trying this: Don't forget to readjust your mixer settings, 
the previously saved settings seem to get lost with the new driver!

Is there any reason why the patch is against 2.6.1-rc1? I was quite 
satisfied with 2.6.1 and don't really want to go back to its first rc. 
Should I just try to apply the patch to 2.6.1 or 2.6.1-mmX? Will it work 
for sure, probably or definetly not?

Or could you perhaps post your changes as a patch against alsa-driver 
1.0.1, so that I can merge alsa into the kernel-sources by myself?

gruss,
Steffen



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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Takashi Iwai]

At Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:08:51 +0100,
Steffen Sauder wrote:
> 
> Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
> 
> >
> >Can you try 2.6.1-rc1 with alsa-bk-2004-01-20.patch.gz available at our 
> >ftp site (/pub/kernel-patches)? It should fix your problem.
> >  
> >
> Thanks a lot Jaroslav! That fixed the problem for me. One small hint for 
> everyone else trying this: Don't forget to readjust your mixer settings, 
> the previously saved settings seem to get lost with the new driver!
> 
> Is there any reason why the patch is against 2.6.1-rc1? I was quite 
> satisfied with 2.6.1 and don't really want to go back to its first rc. 
> Should I just try to apply the patch to 2.6.1 or 2.6.1-mmX? Will it work 
> for sure, probably or definetly not?

i guess it's a typo of 2.6.2-rc1?


> Or could you perhaps post your changes as a patch against alsa-driver 
> 1.0.1, so that I can merge alsa into the kernel-sources by myself?

you can try alsa-driver cvs version.


Takashi


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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Steffen Sauder]

Takashi Iwai wrote:

>At Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:08:51 +0100,
>Steffen Sauder wrote:
>  
>
>>Is there any reason why the patch is against 2.6.1-rc1? I was quite 
>>satisfied with 2.6.1 and don't really want to go back to its first rc. 
>>Should I just try to apply the patch to 2.6.1 or 2.6.1-mmX? Will it work 
>>for sure, probably or definetly not?
>>    
>>
>
>i guess it's a typo of 2.6.2-rc1?
>
>
>  
>
oh, silly me thought that pros never do typos :o)

works fine with 2.6.2-rc1 as well, I'm so glad...

Steffen



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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Jaroslav Kysela]

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Takashi Iwai wrote:

> i guess it's a typo of 2.6.2-rc1?

Yes, it was. I prepare these patches against the actual Linus's BK tree.

						Jaroslav

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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Jaroslav Kysela wrote:

> Can you try 2.6.1-rc1 with alsa-bk-2004-01-20.patch.gz available at our 
> ftp site (/pub/kernel-patches)? It should fix your problem.
> 
  						Jaroslav

The patch worked flawlessly against a plain 2.6.1 kernel.
My distortion troubles with my Terratec DMX6fire 24/16, which date back 
to the 2.6.0rcX days, seem to be over. I think you made all of us 
'iceies' very happy!
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Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Torrey Hoffman]

OK, 2.6.2-rc1 with the alsa-bk-2004-01-20.patch.gz gets my sound working
again, thanks!

Just one problem remains to be solved for this card:  The Audiophile
24/96 is a 4-in, 4-out card (stereo analog input and output, plus
independent SPDIF input and output).  But only one set of inputs and
outputs is showing up for use:

[thoffman@moria thoffman]$ cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [ICH5           ]: ICH - Intel ICH5
                     Intel ICH5 at 0xfc102000, irq 17
1 [M2496          ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Audiophile 24/96
                     M Audio Audiophile 24/96 at 0x6000, irq 20

[thoffman@moria thoffman]$ cat /proc/asound/devices
  0: [0- 0]: ctl
 20: [0- 4]: digital audio playback
 27: [0- 3]: digital audio capture
 26: [0- 2]: digital audio capture
 25: [0- 1]: digital audio capture
 16: [0- 0]: digital audio playback
 24: [0- 0]: digital audio capture
 33:       : timer
 32: [1- 0]: ctl
 40: [1- 0]: raw midi
 48: [1- 0]: digital audio playback
 56: [1- 0]: digital audio capture

[thoffman@moria thoffman]$ cat /proc/asound/pcm
00-00: Intel ICH : Intel ICH5 : playback 1 : capture 1
00-01: Intel ICH - MIC ADC : Intel ICH5 - MIC ADC : capture 1
00-02: Intel ICH - MIC2 ADC : Intel ICH5 - MIC2 ADC : capture 1
00-03: Intel ICH - ADC2 : Intel ICH5 - ADC2 : capture 1
00-04: Intel ICH - IEC958 : Intel ICH5 - IEC958 : playback 1
01-00: ICE1712 multi : ICE1712 multi : playback 1 : capture 1

Shouldn't there be separate devices for the analog & SPDIF inputs and
outputs?  If not, how do I send different signals to the analog &
digital outputs?

Thanks,

Torrey Hoffman

On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 00:08, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Torrey Hoffman wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 14:09, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
> > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Torrey Hoffman wrote:
> > > 
> > > > You may already know this, but the ice1712 driver doesn't work in Andrew
> > > > Morton's 2.6.1-mm? kernels which include the latest ALSA updates.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Tested with an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96. 
> > > 
> > > What exactly does not work? I tested EWX 24/96 with mm3 and it works 
> > > pretty well.
> > 
> > In 2.6.1-mm5, which I'm running at the moment, I just get no sound
> > output.  No error messages.  The envy24control level meters don't show
> > any sound output.
> > 
> > 2.6.1 vanilla works fine.  So does the 2.4 kernel that comes with Fedora
> > Core 1, using the latest ALSA driver sets from FreshRPMs.
> 
> Can you try 2.6.1-rc1 with alsa-bk-2004-01-20.patch.gz available at our 
> ftp site (/pub/kernel-patches)? It should fix your problem.
> 
> 						Jaroslav
> 
> -----
> Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>
> Linux Kernel Sound Maintainer
> ALSA Project, SuSE Labs
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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Tommi Sakari Uimonen]

> Just one problem remains to be solved for this card:  The Audiophile
> 24/96 is a 4-in, 4-out card (stereo analog input and output, plus
> independent SPDIF input and output).  But only one set of inputs and
> outputs is showing up for use:
>
> [thoffman@moria thoffman]$ cat /proc/asound/pcm
> 01-00: ICE1712 multi : ICE1712 multi : playback 1 : capture 1
>
> Shouldn't there be separate devices for the analog & SPDIF inputs and
> outputs?  If not, how do I send different signals to the analog &
> digital outputs?

You have to create .asoundrc to your home directory.

for spdif, put:

pcm.2496_spdif
{
        type plug
        ttable.0.8 1
        ttable.1.9 1
        slave.pcm {
                type hw
                card 1
                device 0
        }
}

(If I remember correctly, your card was no. 1, if not, change 'card 1')

This device can be used like this:

aplay -D 2496_spdif foo.wav
arecord -D 2496_spdif -f dat bar.wav

For combined analog & digital performance (4 channels):

pcm.2496_4ch
{
        type plug
        ttable.0.0 1
        ttable.1.1 1
        ttable.2.8 1
        ttable.3.9 1
        slave.pcm {
        type hw
        card 1
        device 0
        }
}

then record 4 channels:

arecord -D 2496_4ch -c 4 -f cd foobar.wav


I'm not sure how you can easily send different signals to analog & digital
outputs. I guess if you have 4 channel wav, the first two channels will be
played to analog and 3&4 to digital output.

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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Torrey Hoffman]

On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 12:25, Tommi Sakari Uimonen wrote:
...
> > [thoffman@moria thoffman]$ cat /proc/asound/pcm
> > 01-00: ICE1712 multi : ICE1712 multi : playback 1 : capture 1
> >
> > Shouldn't there be separate devices for the analog & SPDIF inputs and
> > outputs?  If not, how do I send different signals to the analog &
> > digital outputs?
> 
> You have to create .asoundrc to your home directory.

(example as below)

Thanks for the tip.  I tried your suggestion, but it doesn't work for
me.  My .asoundrc now has this in it:

pcm.maudio_analog {
	type hw
	card 1
	device 0
}

pcm.maudio_spdif {
	type plug
        ttable.0.8 1
        ttable.1.9 1
        slave.pcm {
                type hw
                card 1
                device 0
        }
}

I can play sound fine through the analog channel:
[thoffman@moria thoffman]$ aplay -D plug:maudio_analog 12.wav
Playing WAVE '12.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz,
Stereo

But when I try to use the spdif channel, I get an error:

[thoffman@moria thoffman]$ aplay -D plug:maudio_spdif 12.wav
Playing WAVE '12.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz,
Stereo
aplay: pcm_write:1083: write error: Invalid argument

So, still no success using the digital output channel...

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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Tommi Sakari Uimonen]

> Thanks for the tip.  I tried your suggestion, but it doesn't work for
> me.  My .asoundrc now has this in it:
>
> pcm.maudio_analog {
> 	type hw
> 	card 1
> 	device 0
> }
>
> pcm.maudio_spdif {
> 	type plug
>         ttable.0.8 1
>         ttable.1.9 1
>         slave.pcm {
>                 type hw
>                 card 1
>                 device 0
>         }
> }
>
> I can play sound fine through the analog channel:
> [thoffman@moria thoffman]$ aplay -D plug:maudio_analog 12.wav
> Playing WAVE '12.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz,
> Stereo
>
> But when I try to use the spdif channel, I get an error:
>
> [thoffman@moria thoffman]$ aplay -D plug:maudio_spdif 12.wav
> Playing WAVE '12.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz,
> Stereo
> aplay: pcm_write:1083: write error: Invalid argument

It should be -D maudio_spdif, so lose the plug: and it will work. I think
the analog should also work without plug.

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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Torrey Hoffman]

On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 14:02, Tommi Sakari Uimonen wrote:
> > Thanks for the tip.  I tried your suggestion, but it doesn't work for
> > me.  My .asoundrc now has this in it:
(snip)

> It should be -D maudio_spdif, so lose the plug: and it will work. I think
> the analog should also work without plug.

Thanks!  That did it, mostly...  I now can play sound through the SPDIF!

The analog doesn't work without "plug", I get an error "aplay:
set_params:827: Sample format non available".  I think it's because the
2496 driver only does 24bit, so 16bit pcm requires translation.  

But that's not a problem - plug works fine.

The one problem is I still can't play different wave files
simultaneously through the two outputs.

If I start "aplay -D maudio_spdif 12.wav &" and then try to do "aplay -D
plug:maudio_analog 11.wav" at the same time, the second one just blocks
until the first one is done.  

This is unfortunate, since I'd really like to be able to run two-room
sound from my computer into different amplifiers and speakers.  I'm sure
there's a way to do it, since the hardware is capable of it... 

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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Tommi Sakari Uimonen]

> > It should be -D maudio_spdif, so lose the plug: and it will work. I think
> > the analog should also work without plug.
>
> Thanks!  That did it, mostly...  I now can play sound through the SPDIF!
>
> The analog doesn't work without "plug", I get an error "aplay:
> set_params:827: Sample format non available".  I think it's because the
> 2496 driver only does 24bit, so 16bit pcm requires translation.

Yes, of course.

> But that's not a problem - plug works fine.
>
> The one problem is I still can't play different wave files
> simultaneously through the two outputs.
>
> If I start "aplay -D maudio_spdif 12.wav &" and then try to do "aplay -D
> plug:maudio_analog 11.wav" at the same time, the second one just blocks
> until the first one is done.
>
> This is unfortunate, since I'd really like to be able to run two-room
> sound from my computer into different amplifiers and speakers.  I'm sure
> there's a way to do it, since the hardware is capable of it...

Well, some kind of dmix approach might do it.

app1 >--      --> analog
        \    /
         dmix
        /    \
app2 >--      --> spdif

I don't know how to do it. I think this kind of plug device would be
popular among 5.1 owners, where you could define what input goes to what
output. Something like:

-D dmix_rear
-D dmix_front

etc..

But how to separate them from the mix? Anyway, dmix allows multiple
instances to use the soundcard, so it's a start.

Maybe the plugins can be linked so that output of one goes to input of the
other. I guess this can be done, but I'm not any .asoundrc magician.

Or ttable & bindings...

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php3



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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Tommi Sakari Uimonen]

> > The one problem is I still can't play different wave files
> > simultaneously through the two outputs.
> >
> > If I start "aplay -D maudio_spdif 12.wav &" and then try to do "aplay -D
> > plug:maudio_analog 11.wav" at the same time, the second one just blocks
> > until the first one is done.
> >
> > This is unfortunate, since I'd really like to be able to run two-room
> > sound from my computer into different amplifiers and speakers.  I'm sure
> > there's a way to do it, since the hardware is capable of it...

Now after thinking this, I think ecasound is the right tool for this.

Create a device to .asoundrc: (with correct card number of course)

pcm.2496_4ch
{
        type plug
        ttable.0.0 1
        ttable.1.1 1
        ttable.2.8 1
        ttable.3.9 1
        slave.pcm {
        type hw
        card 0
        device 0
        }
}

Then use ecasound with this device, and take input from two sources and
send them to the appropriate channels, first input to channels 1&2, second
to channels 3&4.

I don't know the right way to do this, but I know that it can be done.
Since ecasound can split 4 channel wav to separate channels, I don't see
why it wouldn't join two stereo samples to one 4 channel sample.

Maybe you'll have to ask this from ecasound-list

http://www.eca.cx/mlists.html


Tommi


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Re: Re: ice1712 driver broken in 2.6.1-mm kernels

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Jaroslav Kysela wrote:

> Can you try 2.6.1-rc1 with alsa-bk-2004-01-20.patch.gz available at our 
> ftp site (/pub/kernel-patches)? It should fix your problem.
> 
  						Jaroslav

The patch worked flawlessly against a plain 2.6.1 kernel.
My distortion troubles with my Terratec DMX6fire 24/16, which date back
to the 2.6.0rcX days, seem to be over. I think you made all of us
'iceies' very happy!
Klaus




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