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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Peter Zaitsev <peter@mysql.com>,
	alexeyk@mysql.com, linuxram@us.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, axboe@suse.de
Subject: Re: Random file I/O regressions in 2.6
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 09:49:24 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <409ACF04.8010805@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040506144933.1918317f.akpm@osdl.org>

Andrew Morton wrote:
> Peter Zaitsev <peter@mysql.com> wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 01:43, Andrew Morton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>One thing I note about this test is that it generates a huge number of
>>>inode writes.  atime updates from the reads and mtime updates from the
>>>writes.  Suppressing them doesn't actually make a lot of performance
>>>difference, but that is with writeback caching enabled.  I expect that with
>>>a writethrough cache these will really hurt.
>>
>>Perhaps.  By the way is there a way to disable update time modification
>>as well ?
> 
> 
> No, there is not.
> 
> 
>>It would make quite a good sense for partition used for
>>Database needs - you do not need last modification time in most cases.
> 
> 
> First up, one needs to remove the inode_update_time() call from
> generic_file_aio_write_nolock() and run the tests.  If this (and noatime)
> indeed makes a significant difference (probably on writethrough-caching
> disks) then yup, we should do something.
> 
> `nomtime' would be simple enough.  But another option would be to arrange
> for a/m/ctime dirtiness to not cause an inode writeout in fsync(). 
> Instead, only sync the a/m/ctime-dirty inodes via sync, umount and pdflush.
> 
> That way, the inodes get written every thirty seconds rather than once per
> second.
> 
> It's probably not standards-compliant, but shoot me.  Who cares if the
> mtimes come up 30 seconds out of date after a system crash?
> 
> `nomtime' would be simpler and safer to implement, but not as nice.
> 
> But we need those numbers first.  I'll take a look.
> 

Can they use fdatasync? Does it do the right thing on Linux?

  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-06 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-02 19:57 Random file I/O regressions in 2.6 Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-03 11:14 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-03 18:08   ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-03 20:22     ` Ram Pai
2004-05-03 20:57       ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-03 21:37         ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-05-03 21:50           ` Ram Pai
2004-05-03 22:01             ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-05-03 21:59           ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-03 22:07             ` Ram Pai
2004-05-03 23:58             ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-04  0:10               ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-04  0:19                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-04  0:50                   ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04  6:29                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-04 15:03                       ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04 19:39                         ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04 19:48                           ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-04 19:58                             ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04 21:51                               ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04 22:29                                 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04 23:01                           ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-04 23:20                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-05 22:04                               ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-06  8:43                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-06 18:13                                   ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-05-06 21:49                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-06 23:49                                       ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2004-05-07  1:29                                         ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-05-10 19:50                                   ` Ram Pai
2004-05-10 20:21                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-10 22:39                                       ` Ram Pai
2004-05-10 23:07                                         ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-11 20:51                                           ` Ram Pai
2004-05-11 21:17                                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-13 20:41                                               ` Ram Pai
2004-05-17 17:30                                                 ` Random file I/O regressions in 2.6 [patch+results] Ram Pai
2004-05-20  1:06                                                   ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-20  1:31                                                     ` Ram Pai
2004-05-21 19:32                                                       ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-20  5:49                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-20 21:59                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-20 22:23                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-21  7:31                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-21  7:50                                                           ` Jens Axboe
2004-05-21  8:40                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-21  8:56                                                             ` Spam: " Andrew Morton
2004-05-21 22:24                                                               ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-21 21:13                                                       ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-26  4:43                                                         ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-11 22:26                                           ` Random file I/O regressions in 2.6 Bill Davidsen
2004-05-04  1:15                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-04 11:39                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-04  8:27                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-04  8:47                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-04  8:50                     ` Arjan van de Ven

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