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From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: The naming wars continue...
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:19:40 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4179A39C.6080707@kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041022234631.GF28904@waste.org>

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Matt Mackall wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 03:05:13PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
>>And the fact is, I can't see the point. I'll just call it all "-rcX",
>>because I (very obviously) have no clue where the cut-over-point from
>>"pre" to "rc" is, or (even more painfully obviously) where it will become
>>the final next release.
> 
> 
> This should be easy: the cut-over should be when you're tempted to
> rename it 2.6.next. If you have no intention (or hope) of renaming
> 2.6.x-rc1 to 2.6.x, it is not a "release candidate" by definition.
> 
> What's the point? It serves as a signal that a) we're not accepting
> more big changes b) we think it's ready for primetime and needs
> serious QA c) when 2.6.next gets released, the _exact code_ has gone
> through a test cycle and we can have some confidence that there won't
> be any nasty 0-day bugs when we go to install 2.6.next on a production
> machine.

I have this feeling Linus is laughing at us when he debates these 
arguments. Nonetheless I finally feel obliged to say a "release 
candidate" is a release candidate. It should only be called that if it 
is planned to be the real version, and the real version is _exactly_ the 
same bar the version number. If it isn't even planned to be released 
unmodified it's a -pre patch.

/me still hears Linus laughing. He's only been doing this for 13 years.

Cheers,
Con

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-23  0:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-22 22:05 The naming wars continue Linus Torvalds
2004-10-22 22:44 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-10-22 22:53 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-10-22 23:13   ` Espen Fjellvær Olsen
2004-10-23  3:07     ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-10-22 22:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-10-23 21:25   ` David Woodhouse
2004-10-25 21:44     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-26  1:27       ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2004-10-26 21:24         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-22 23:18 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-10-22 23:46 ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-23  0:19   ` Con Kolivas [this message]
2004-10-23  1:15   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23  1:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-23  1:08       ` alan
2004-10-23  2:52         ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-23  1:38       ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-23  1:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 18:33         ` cliff white
2004-10-23  3:03       ` Wakko Warner
2004-10-24 13:33         ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-25 23:26           ` Tonnerre
2004-10-26  6:37             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-26  7:32               ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-26 11:12                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-26 11:43                   ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-26 20:31                     ` Tonnerre
2004-10-27  4:21                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-27  8:33                         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-27 15:48                           ` Tonnerre
2004-10-27 16:11                             ` [OT] " Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-10-27 16:14                               ` Tonnerre
2004-10-27 16:42                                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-10-27 17:27                                   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-10-27 21:11                                     ` [uClibc] " Dave Dodge
2004-10-27 21:15                                       ` Måns Rullgård
2004-10-27 22:35                                         ` Dave Dodge
2004-10-27 23:04                                           ` Måns Rullgård
2004-10-29 14:46                             ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-27 19:17                           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-27 19:40                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-29 14:51                             ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-29 14:54                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-29 15:11                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-27 20:13                         ` The naming wars continue... [u] Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-10-27 20:35                           ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-10-27 21:35                             ` Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-10-26 16:26               ` The naming wars continue Tonnerre
2004-10-26 11:11             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-26 16:22               ` Tonnerre
2004-10-23  6:20       ` Nick Piggin
2004-10-25 21:30         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-25 22:02           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-25 22:46             ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-27  7:38               ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-26 13:09             ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-27  0:40               ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-10-27  2:41                 ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-26 21:32             ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-27  3:01               ` Marcos D. Marado Torres
2004-10-27  3:32               ` Barry K. Nathan
2004-10-27 19:23                 ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-27  7:37               ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-27 20:08             ` l_linux-kernel@mail2news.4t2.com
2004-10-27 20:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-27 21:13                 ` Dave Airlie
2004-10-27 21:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-27 22:52                     ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-27 22:54                       ` Dave Airlie
2004-10-27 23:14                       ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-23 15:41       ` Stephen Frost
2004-10-23 21:51         ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-10-24  0:02           ` Stephen Frost
2004-10-24  3:29             ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-10-24  5:02               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-10-25 23:34         ` Tonnerre
2004-10-26 17:52         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23 22:16       ` Alexandre Oliva
2004-10-23 22:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-24  8:52       ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-23  1:35     ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-23 14:34       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23  0:04 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-23  0:43 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-10-23 21:03   ` Christian Hesse
2004-10-24  0:47     ` Jon Masters
2004-10-23  2:37 ` The naming wars continue... - net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_hashlimit.c does not build Eyal Lebedinsky
2004-10-23  3:04   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-23 11:23 ` The naming wars continue Erik Hensema
2004-10-23 13:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-10-23 15:45   ` Hans Reiser
2004-10-23 15:18 ` markus reichelt
2004-10-23 14:46   ` Taso Hatzi
2004-10-24 15:54 ` generic hardirq code in 2.6.10-rc1 Christoph Hellwig
2004-10-25  6:02   ` Miles Bader
2004-10-25 12:36     ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-10-29 14:37 ` [patch] 2.6.10-rc1: SCSI aacraid warning Adrian Bunk
2004-10-29 14:45   ` Mark Haverkamp
2004-10-29 15:13     ` Mark Haverkamp
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-23 13:17 The naming wars continue Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-23 14:44 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-10-26  6:03 Chuck Ebbert

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