More Xen troubles (with xend this time)

More Xen troubles (with xend this time)

[Jérôme Petazzoni]

When trying to reproduce a crash (when I do "xm restore foo.xen", the 
restored VM crashed instantaneously), I hit the following "bug" (I hope 
that the problem lies between my keyboard and my chair and that I didn't 
find another real bug) :

I did restore the domain, then noticed it was crashed ("-----c" in xm 
list). I tried to destroy it, but it didn't work. So I stopped xend, 
restarted it ... And there it goes :

isnpro:~# xm list
(111, 'Connection refused')
Error: Error connecting to xend, is xend running?

isnpro:~# xend start

isnpro:~# xm list
(111, 'Connection refused')
Error: Error connecting to xend, is xend running?

isnpro:~# ps aux | grep x
root       644  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        S    Nov29   0:02 [xenblkd]
root     14003  0.0  1.8  4308 1112 ?        S    14:37   0:00 xfrd

isnpro:~# lsof | grep LISTEN
portmap     970      daemon    4u  IPv4       2122                TCP 
*:sunrpc (LISTEN)
exim4      1113 Debian-exim    0u  IPv4       2291                TCP 
localhost:smtp (LISTEN)
inetd      1119        root    4u  IPv4       2304                TCP 
*:discard (LISTEN)
inetd      1119        root    6u  IPv4       2306                TCP 
*:daytime (LISTEN)
inetd      1119        root    7u  IPv4       2307                TCP 
*:time (LISTEN)
sshd       1129        root    3u  IPv4       2329                TCP 
*:ssh (LISTEN)
rpc.statd  1135        root    6u  IPv4       2369                TCP 
*:893 (LISTEN)
xfrd      14003        root    2u  IPv4     274713                TCP 
*:8002 (LISTEN)

isnpro:~# tail /var/log/xend.log
[2004-11-30 14:17:00 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.exit 
['xipetotec', '22', 'crash']
[2004-11-30 14:17:00 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.destroy 
['xipetotec', '22']
[2004-11-30 14:17:28 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
[2004-11-30 14:18:35 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
[2004-11-30 14:19:57 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
[2004-11-30 14:23:45 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
[2004-11-30 14:25:46 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
[2004-11-30 14:31:43 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
[2004-11-30 14:31:54 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
[2004-11-30 14:37:40 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started

(many "Xend Daemon started" messages since I tried many times to restart 
it...)

So I thought that xfrd (xend?) was running on port 8002 instead of 8000, 
and I tried to setup a redir (who knows!) :

isnpro:~# redir --cport 8002 --lport 8000  &
[1] 14025
isnpro:~# xm list
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/sbin/xm", line 9, in ?
    main.main(sys.argv)
  File 
"/root/Xen/xen-2.0-testing.bk/dist/install/lib/python/xen/xm/main.py", 
line 795, in main
  File 
"/root/Xen/xen-2.0-testing.bk/dist/install/lib/python/xen/xm/main.py", 
line 106, in main
  File 
"/root/Xen/xen-2.0-testing.bk/dist/install/lib/python/xen/xm/main.py", 
line 124, in main_call
  File 
"/root/Xen/xen-2.0-testing.bk/dist/install/lib/python/xen/xm/main.py", 
line 343, in main
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'sort'

Okay, it seems it wasn't a very clever idea after all.

What should I try now ? (I don't want to reboot the thing yet, since the 
virtual domains are still running and I can't stop them right now).



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Re: More Xen troubles (with xend this time)

[Ian Pratt]

> 
> When trying to reproduce a crash (when I do "xm restore foo.xen", the 
> restored VM crashed instantaneously), I hit the following "bug" (I hope 
> that the problem lies between my keyboard and my chair and that I didn't 
> find another real bug) :
> 
> I did restore the domain, then noticed it was crashed ("-----c" in xm 
> list). I tried to destroy it, but it didn't work. So I stopped xend, 
> restarted it ... And there it goes :

Restarting xend was a bit of a brave move. Although its intended
to be restartable, there are definitely bugs in the restart code,
particularly if you have domains in unusual states at the time
(e.g. crashed, awaiting reaping). Error case code is always the
least tested...

As to why the domain wouldn't be destroyed, that may turn out to
be a useful clue as to the resume problem at its root. If we
could get a crashdump from a known kernel image I'm sure we can
fix this pretty easily.


Ian


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Re: More Xen troubles (with xend this time)

[Jérôme Petazzoni]

>>I did restore the domain, then noticed it was crashed ("-----c" in xm 
>>list). I tried to destroy it, but it didn't work. So I stopped xend, 
>>restarted it ... And there it goes :
>>    
>>
>
>Restarting xend was a bit of a brave move. Although its intended
>to be restartable, there are definitely bugs in the restart code,
>particularly if you have domains in unusual states at the time
>  
>
Okay, and once we "lost" xend, there is no way to do anything ? (create, 
destroy, shutdown, get a console...)

>As to why the domain wouldn't be destroyed, that may turn out to
>be a useful clue as to the resume problem at its root. If we
>could get a crashdump from a known kernel image I'm sure we can
>fix this pretty easily.
>  
>
I will do my best to reboot the box and try to reproduce the problem. 
But if the restore operation crashes xend, I will never be able to get a 
crash dump - unless there's another way to get the information ?

If I don't use save/restore/migrate, can I expect Xen to be stable ? Or 
are there other features that are deemed to cause problems ?


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Re: More Xen troubles (with xend this time)

[Christian Limpach]

On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 05:45:29PM +0100, Jérôme Petazzoni wrote:
> >Restarting xend was a bit of a brave move. Although its intended
> >to be restartable, there are definitely bugs in the restart code,
> >particularly if you have domains in unusual states at the time
> > 
> >
> Okay, and once we "lost" xend, there is no way to do anything ? (create, 
> destroy, shutdown, get a console...)

You could try removing xend's database in /var/xen/xend-db -- you will
lose your domain's names but I've found that sometimes this allows
restarting xend when it's in the state where it doesn't want to start
anymore.

    christian



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Re: More Xen troubles (with xend this time)

[Jérôme Petazzoni]

>>Okay, and once we "lost" xend, there is no way to do anything ? (create, 
>>destroy, shutdown, get a console...)
>>    
>>
>You could try removing xend's database in /var/xen/xend-db -- you will
>lose your domain's names but I've found that sometimes this allows
>restarting xend when it's in the state where it doesn't want to start
>anymore.
>  
>
Interesting ! I did that, and then :

# xm list
Name              Id  Mem(MB)  CPU  State  Time(s)  Console
Domain-0           0       59    0  r----   5915.7       
Domain-16         16       63    0  -b---    328.7       
Domain-17         17      127    0  -b---    699.8       
Domain-21         21        0    0  ----c      0.0       
Domain-22         22        0    0  ----c      0.0       

I could successfully create a new domain attached to a console, and stop 
it ; but other stuff didn't work :

# xm console 16
Error: No console information

And xm shutdown didn't do anything, it seems. Destroying crashed domains 
didn't work either. It keeps spitting those messages every couple of 
seconds in xend.log :

[2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] DEBUG (XendDomain:244) XendDomain>reap> 
domain died name=Domain-21 id=21
[2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendDomain:564) Destroying domain: 
name=Domain-21
[2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] DEBUG (XendDomain:244) XendDomain>reap> 
domain died name=Domain-22 id=22
[2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendDomain:564) Destroying domain: 
name=Domain-22
[2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.exit 
['Domain-21', '21', 'crash']
[2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.destroy 
['Domain-21', '21']
[2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.exit 
['Domain-22', '22', 'crash']
[2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.destroy 
['Domain-22', '22']

xend-debug.log and xm dmesg are silent.

Anything useful I can try to get more information about this before I 
reboot the beast ? :-)



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Re: More Xen troubles (with xend this time)

[Mike Wray]

Jérôme Petazzoni wrote:
> 
>>> Okay, and once we "lost" xend, there is no way to do anything ? 
>>> (create, destroy, shutdown, get a console...)
>>>   
>> You could try removing xend's database in /var/xen/xend-db -- you will
>> lose your domain's names but I've found that sometimes this allows
>> restarting xend when it's in the state where it doesn't want to start
>> anymore.
>>  
> Interesting ! I did that, and then :
> 
> # xm list
> Name              Id  Mem(MB)  CPU  State  Time(s)  Console
> Domain-0           0       59    0  r----   5915.7       
> Domain-16         16       63    0  -b---    328.7       
> Domain-17         17      127    0  -b---    699.8       
> Domain-21         21        0    0  ----c      0.0       
> Domain-22         22        0    0  ----c      0.0      
> I could successfully create a new domain attached to a console, and stop 
> it ; but other stuff didn't work :
> 
> # xm console 16
> Error: No console information

The problem is that if you remove xend-db xend no longer knows anything about
the running domains (like what inter-domain ports their consoles are on,
what their names are, what devices they have). So xend can no longer shut
them down properly because it doesn't know what devices to release.
This is why you get all the errors.

> And xm shutdown didn't do anything, it seems. Destroying crashed domains 
> didn't work either. It keeps spitting those messages every couple of 
> seconds in xend.log :
> 
> [2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] DEBUG (XendDomain:244) XendDomain>reap> 
> domain died name=Domain-21 id=21
> [2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendDomain:564) Destroying domain: 
> name=Domain-21
> [2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] DEBUG (XendDomain:244) XendDomain>reap> 
> domain died name=Domain-22 id=22
> [2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendDomain:564) Destroying domain: 
> name=Domain-22
> [2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.exit 
> ['Domain-21', '21', 'crash']
> [2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.destroy 
> ['Domain-21', '21']
> [2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.exit 
> ['Domain-22', '22', 'crash']
> [2004-11-30 18:06:44 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.destroy 
> ['Domain-22', '22']

Xend is trying to get rid of the domains, but because their devices aren't
freed (because you removed the info about them) the domains won't go away.
So xend keeps detecting crashed domains and trying to get rid of them.

Not the nicest behaviour - crashes don't happen very much so this path
is not well-explored.

> xend-debug.log and xm dmesg are silent.
> 
> Anything useful I can try to get more information about this before I 
> reboot the beast ? :-)

At this point you're pretty stuck. Time for a reboot.

Mike


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Re: More Xen troubles (with xend this time)

[Ian Pratt]

> 
> >>I did restore the domain, then noticed it was crashed ("-----c" in xm 
> >>list). I tried to destroy it, but it didn't work. So I stopped xend, 
> >>restarted it ... And there it goes :
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Restarting xend was a bit of a brave move. Although its intended
> >to be restartable, there are definitely bugs in the restart code,
> >particularly if you have domains in unusual states at the time
>
> Okay, and once we "lost" xend, there is no way to do anything ? (create, 
> destroy, shutdown, get a console...)

If you can't restart it, your stuffed.
 
> >As to why the domain wouldn't be destroyed, that may turn out to
> >be a useful clue as to the resume problem at its root. If we
> >could get a crashdump from a known kernel image I'm sure we can
> >fix this pretty easily.
> >
> I will do my best to reboot the box and try to reproduce the problem. 
> But if the restore operation crashes xend, I will never be able to get a 
> crash dump - unless there's another way to get the information ?

Put '-c' on the restore command line to connect to the console.

> If I don't use save/restore/migrate, can I expect Xen to be
> stable ? 

It's stable for most people even using save/restore/migrate. It
must be something about your particular setup or configuration
which is provoking the bug. We've actually put a fair amount of
effort into trying to reproduce the resume crash, but haven't
managed it. 

> Or are there other features that are deemed to cause problems ?

The list of known bugs is currently remarkably short, and mostly
related to certain hardware (drivers or ioapics).

Ian



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Re: More Xen troubles (with xend this time)

[Jérôme Petazzoni]

>>But if the restore operation crashes xend, I will never be able to get a 
>>crash dump - unless there's another way to get the information ?
>>    
>>
>
>Put '-c' on the restore command line to connect to the console.
>  
>
I tried that, but it just dumps the domain config in SXP format, and 
then stops (see below).

>>If I don't use save/restore/migrate, can I expect Xen to be
>>stable ? 
>>    
>>
>It's stable for most people even using save/restore/migrate. It
>must be something about your particular setup or configuration
>which is provoking the bug. We've actually put a fair amount of
>effort into trying to reproduce the resume crash, but haven't
>managed it. 
>  
>
I must have a "NOLUCK" flag :-) we tried Xen on two different P4 boxes, 
on two different Celeron boxes, and we had different problems each time. 
Would some bootflags be of any use ? Do some chipsets have a bad 
reputation, or something like that ?

Here's what happens when I attempt a restore :

isnpro:~# xm restore xipetotec.xen -c
(domain
    (id 24)
    (name xipetotec)
    (memory 0)
    (maxmem 65536)
    (state ----c)
    (cpu 0)
    (cpu_time 0.045590639)
    (up_time 3.83165788651)
    (start_time 1101834496.66)
    (console
        (status closed)
        (id 58)
        (domain 24)
        (local_port 0)
        (remote_port 0)
        (console_port 9624)
    )
    (devices)
    (config
        (vm
            (name xipetotec)
            (memory 64)
            (restart onreboot)
            (image
                (linux (kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-xenU) (root 
'/dev/hda1 ro'))
            )
            (device (vbd (uname phy:isnpro/xipetotec-root) (dev hda1) 
(mode w)))
            (device (vif (mac aa:00:00:00:00:09) (bridge xen-br0)))
        )
    )
)
isnpro:~# xm list
Name              Id  Mem(MB)  CPU  State  Time(s)  Console
Domain-0           0       59    0  r----   5987.9       
Domain-16         16       63    0  -b---    329.2       
Domain-17         17      127    0  -b---    700.0       
Domain-21         21        0    0  ----c      0.0       
Domain-22         22        0    0  ----c      0.0       
xipetotec         24        0    0  ----c      0.0    9624
isnpro:~#



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Re: More Xen troubles (with xend this time)

[Keir Fraser]

Unfortunately when a domain crashes it seems to confuse xend such that
it isn't even restartable. So then you need to reboot the
machine. Clearly this needs looking into. :-)

 -- Keir

> 
> When trying to reproduce a crash (when I do "xm restore foo.xen", the 
> restored VM crashed instantaneously), I hit the following "bug" (I hope 
> that the problem lies between my keyboard and my chair and that I didn't 
> find another real bug) :
> 
> I did restore the domain, then noticed it was crashed ("-----c" in xm 
> list). I tried to destroy it, but it didn't work. So I stopped xend, 
> restarted it ... And there it goes :
> 
> isnpro:~# xm list
> (111, 'Connection refused')
> Error: Error connecting to xend, is xend running?
> 
> isnpro:~# xend start
> 
> isnpro:~# xm list
> (111, 'Connection refused')
> Error: Error connecting to xend, is xend running?
> 
> isnpro:~# ps aux | grep x
> root       644  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        S    Nov29   0:02 [xenblkd]
> root     14003  0.0  1.8  4308 1112 ?        S    14:37   0:00 xfrd
> 
> isnpro:~# lsof | grep LISTEN
> portmap     970      daemon    4u  IPv4       2122                TCP 
> *:sunrpc (LISTEN)
> exim4      1113 Debian-exim    0u  IPv4       2291                TCP 
> localhost:smtp (LISTEN)
> inetd      1119        root    4u  IPv4       2304                TCP 
> *:discard (LISTEN)
> inetd      1119        root    6u  IPv4       2306                TCP 
> *:daytime (LISTEN)
> inetd      1119        root    7u  IPv4       2307                TCP 
> *:time (LISTEN)
> sshd       1129        root    3u  IPv4       2329                TCP 
> *:ssh (LISTEN)
> rpc.statd  1135        root    6u  IPv4       2369                TCP 
> *:893 (LISTEN)
> xfrd      14003        root    2u  IPv4     274713                TCP 
> *:8002 (LISTEN)
> 
> isnpro:~# tail /var/log/xend.log
> [2004-11-30 14:17:00 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.exit 
> ['xipetotec', '22', 'crash']
> [2004-11-30 14:17:00 xend] INFO (XendRoot:91) EVENT> xend.domain.destroy 
> ['xipetotec', '22']
> [2004-11-30 14:17:28 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
> [2004-11-30 14:18:35 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
> [2004-11-30 14:19:57 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
> [2004-11-30 14:23:45 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
> [2004-11-30 14:25:46 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
> [2004-11-30 14:31:43 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
> [2004-11-30 14:31:54 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
> [2004-11-30 14:37:40 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:607) Xend Daemon started
> 
> (many "Xend Daemon started" messages since I tried many times to restart 
> it...)
> 
> So I thought that xfrd (xend?) was running on port 8002 instead of 8000, 
> and I tried to setup a redir (who knows!) :
> 
> isnpro:~# redir --cport 8002 --lport 8000  &
> [1] 14025
> isnpro:~# xm list
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/sbin/xm", line 9, in ?
>     main.main(sys.argv)
>   File 
> "/root/Xen/xen-2.0-testing.bk/dist/install/lib/python/xen/xm/main.py", 
> line 795, in main
>   File 
> "/root/Xen/xen-2.0-testing.bk/dist/install/lib/python/xen/xm/main.py", 
> line 106, in main
>   File 
> "/root/Xen/xen-2.0-testing.bk/dist/install/lib/python/xen/xm/main.py", 
> line 124, in main_call
>   File 
> "/root/Xen/xen-2.0-testing.bk/dist/install/lib/python/xen/xm/main.py", 
> line 343, in main
> AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'sort'
> 
> Okay, it seems it wasn't a very clever idea after all.
> 
> What should I try now ? (I don't want to reboot the thing yet, since the 
> virtual domains are still running and I can't stop them right now).
> 
> 
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