From: David Greaves <david@dgreaves.com>
To: Guy <bugzilla@watkins-home.com>
Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:26:35 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <41DC234B.4090806@dgreaves.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200501051707.j05H7m926213@www.watkins-home.com>
Guy wrote:
>RAID does not cause bad data!
>
>
Guy - how can you speak such heresy!! ;)
Haven't you seen the special 'make_undetectable_error(float p)' function?
>Bad data can get on any disk, even if it is part of a RAID system.
>The bad data does not come from the hard disk, CRCs prevent that.
>
>The problem is: Where does the bad data come from?
>Bad memory? No, everyone use ECC memory, right?
>
>
I like to blame cosmic rays - I just like the image ;)
Of course voltage fluctuations, e/m interference, thermal variations,
mechanical interfaces, dust capacitance/resistance, insects shorts...
anywhere inside the tin box between the media and the corners of the
motherboard. It's amazing that some machines even boot.
David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-01-05 17:26 UTC|newest]
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2004-12-30 0:31 PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard Georg C. F. Greve
2004-12-30 16:23 ` Georg C. F. Greve
2004-12-30 17:39 ` Peter T. Breuer
2004-12-30 17:53 ` Sandro Dentella
2004-12-30 18:31 ` Peter T. Breuer
2004-12-30 19:50 ` Michael Tokarev
2004-12-30 21:39 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-02 19:42 ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Andy Smith
2005-01-02 20:18 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 0:30 ` Andy Smith
2005-01-03 6:41 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-03 8:37 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 8:03 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 8:58 ` Guy
2005-01-03 10:18 ` Partiy error detection - was " Brad Campbell
2005-01-03 12:11 ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-03 14:23 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 18:30 ` maarten
2005-01-03 21:36 ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-05 5:50 ` Debian Sarge mdadm raid 10 assembling at boot problem Roger Ellison
2005-01-05 13:41 ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-05 13:57 ` [help] [I2O] Adaptec 2400A on FC3 Angelo Piraino
2005-01-05 19:15 ` Debian Sarge mdadm raid 10 assembling at boot problem Roger Ellison
2005-01-05 9:56 ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Andy Smith
2005-01-05 10:44 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 10:56 ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 11:39 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 12:02 ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 13:23 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 13:33 ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 14:44 ` parts -- " Alvin Oga
2005-01-19 4:46 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-01-19 5:05 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-19 5:49 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-01-19 7:08 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 13:36 ` Swap should be mirrored or not? (was Re: ext3 journal on software raid) Andy Smith
2005-01-05 14:12 ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Erik Mouw
2005-01-05 14:37 ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-05 14:55 ` errors " Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:11 ` Erik Mouw
2005-01-06 5:41 ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 15:17 ` Guy
2005-01-05 15:33 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 16:22 ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-05 17:23 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 16:23 ` Andy Smith
2005-01-05 16:30 ` Andy Smith
2005-01-05 17:04 ` swp - " Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:26 ` Andy Smith
2005-01-05 18:32 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 22:35 ` Andy Smith
2005-01-06 0:57 ` Guy
2005-01-06 1:28 ` Mike Hardy
2005-01-06 3:32 ` Guy
2005-01-06 4:49 ` Mike Hardy
2005-01-09 21:07 ` Mark Hahn
2005-01-06 5:04 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-06 6:18 ` Guy
2005-01-06 6:31 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-06 9:38 ` swap on RAID (was Re: swp - Re: ext3 journal on software raid) Andy Smith
2005-01-06 17:46 ` Mike Hardy
2005-01-06 22:08 ` No swap can be dangerous (was Re: swap on RAID (was Re: swp - Re: ext3 journal on software raid)) Andrew Walrond
2005-01-06 22:34 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-06 22:57 ` Mike Hardy
2005-01-06 23:15 ` Guy
2005-01-06 23:15 ` Guy
2005-01-07 9:28 ` Andrew Walrond
2005-02-28 20:07 ` Guy
2005-02-28 20:07 ` Guy
2005-01-07 1:31 ` confused Re: swap on RAID (was Re: swp - Re: ext3 journal on software raid) Alvin Oga
2005-01-07 2:28 ` Andy Smith
2005-01-07 13:04 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-09 21:21 ` swp - Re: ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Mark Hahn
2005-01-09 22:20 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-06 5:01 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:07 ` Guy
2005-01-05 17:21 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:32 ` Guy
2005-01-05 18:37 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:34 ` ECC: RE: ext3 blah blah blah Gordon Henderson
2005-01-05 18:33 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:26 ` David Greaves [this message]
2005-01-05 18:16 ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 18:28 ` Guy
2005-01-05 18:26 ` Guy
2005-01-05 15:48 ` Peter T. Breuer
[not found] ` <41D45C1F.5030307-XAri/EZa3C4vJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2004-12-30 20:54 ` PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard berk walker
2004-12-30 20:54 ` berk walker
2005-01-01 13:39 ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-01 13:39 ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-07 6:21 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-01-07 9:39 ` Andy Smith
2004-12-30 20:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-30 22:04 ` Georg C. F. Greve
2004-12-30 22:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-31 4:16 ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-12-31 4:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-12-31 10:55 ` Russell King
2004-12-31 9:58 ` Georg C. F. Greve
2005-01-01 20:06 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <m3zmzvl9x1.fsf-glUV91rXKAHWIjgkaejU9x2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-02 20:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-02 20:11 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0501021147260.2280-gWtpgVMusWVb5UGfqNBoRg@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-02 20:32 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-02 20:32 ` Dave Jones
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-03 9:30 ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Peter T. Breuer
[not found] <200501030916.j039Gqe23568@inv.it.uc3m.es>
2005-01-03 10:17 ` Guy
2005-01-03 11:31 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 17:34 ` Guy
2005-01-03 17:46 ` maarten
2005-01-03 19:52 ` maarten
2005-01-03 20:41 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 23:19 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 23:46 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-04 0:28 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 1:18 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-04 4:29 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-04 8:43 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 2:07 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-04 2:16 ` Ewan Grantham
2005-01-04 2:22 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-04 2:41 ` Andy Smith
2005-01-04 3:42 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-04 9:50 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 14:15 ` David Greaves
2005-01-04 15:20 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 16:42 ` Guy
2005-01-04 17:46 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 9:30 ` Maarten
2005-01-04 10:18 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 13:36 ` Maarten
2005-01-04 14:13 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 19:22 ` maarten
2005-01-04 20:05 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 21:38 ` Guy
2005-01-04 23:53 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 0:58 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-04 21:48 ` maarten
2005-01-04 23:14 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 1:53 ` maarten
2005-01-04 9:46 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 19:02 ` maarten
2005-01-04 19:12 ` David Greaves
2005-01-04 21:08 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 22:02 ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-04 23:20 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 5:44 ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 9:00 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 9:14 ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 9:28 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 9:43 ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 15:09 ` Guy
2005-01-05 15:52 ` maarten
2005-01-05 10:04 ` Andy Smith
2005-01-04 22:21 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-05 0:08 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 22:29 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-05 0:19 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 1:19 ` Jure Pe_ar
2005-01-05 2:29 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 0:38 ` maarten
2005-01-04 9:40 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 14:03 ` David Greaves
2005-01-04 14:07 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 14:43 ` David Greaves
2005-01-04 15:12 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 16:54 ` David Greaves
2005-01-04 17:42 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 19:12 ` David Greaves
2005-01-04 0:45 ` maarten
2005-01-04 10:14 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 13:24 ` Maarten
2005-01-04 14:05 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 15:31 ` Maarten
2005-01-04 16:21 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 20:55 ` maarten
2005-01-04 21:11 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 21:38 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 23:29 ` Guy
2005-01-04 19:57 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-04 21:05 ` maarten
2005-01-04 21:26 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-04 21:46 ` Guy
2005-01-03 20:22 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 23:05 ` Guy
2005-01-04 0:08 ` maarten
2005-01-03 21:36 ` Guy
2005-01-04 0:15 ` maarten
2005-01-04 11:21 ` Michael Tokarev
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