2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[Jeff Blaine]

Can anyone tell me what is happening in the graph at the URL
below?  I can replicate it on any Linux box running 2.4.21
and changing rsize/wsize doesn't affect it at all.  This
was captured from a 2.6GHz P4 client machine.  Same thing
is visible with a Dual 3GHz Xeon box with 4GB memory as a
client.  A Solaris 9 client does not display this "falling
on face" behavior.

http://www.kickflop.net/temp/sol9-server-linux2421-client-gigE-ag930m_10533_image001.gif

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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[Trond Myklebust]

fr den 14.01.2005 Klokka 14:00 (-0500) skreiv Jeff Blaine:
> Can anyone tell me what is happening in the graph at the URL
> below?  I can replicate it on any Linux box running 2.4.21
> and changing rsize/wsize doesn't affect it at all.  This
> was captured from a 2.6GHz P4 client machine.  Same thing
> is visible with a Dual 3GHz Xeon box with 4GB memory as a
> client.  A Solaris 9 client does not display this "falling
> on face" behavior.
> 
> http://www.kickflop.net/temp/sol9-server-linux2421-client-gigE-ag930m_10533_image001.gif

Firstly, you should always use the '-c' flag when measuring NFS client
performance. Otherwise, you are basically just measuring the speed with
which your machine can write to the local page cache (which may indeed
explain your "knee" at 1MB here - that would be where the client starts
to force a flush to disk).

Secondly, have you actually read the NFS FAQ and NFS HOWTO entries on
how to tune for performance? Particularly the entries on TCP vs. UDP,
and how Solaris clients default to the former.

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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[Jeff Blaine]

Trond Myklebust wrote:
> fr den 14.01.2005 Klokka 14:00 (-0500) skreiv Jeff Blaine:
>=20
>>Can anyone tell me what is happening in the graph at the URL
>>below?  I can replicate it on any Linux box running 2.4.21
>>and changing rsize/wsize doesn't affect it at all.  This
>>was captured from a 2.6GHz P4 client machine.  Same thing
>>is visible with a Dual 3GHz Xeon box with 4GB memory as a
>>client.  A Solaris 9 client does not display this "falling
>>on face" behavior.
>>
>>http://www.kickflop.net/temp/sol9-server-linux2421-client-gigE-ag930m_1=
0533_image001.gif
>=20
> Firstly, you should always use the '-c' flag when measuring NFS client
> performance. Otherwise, you are basically just measuring the speed with
> which your machine can write to the local page cache (which may indeed
> explain your "knee" at 1MB here - that would be where the client starts
> to force a flush to disk).

Firstly,

Iozone manual:

     "If you use a file size that is larger than the amount of
      memory in the client then the =91c=92 flag is not needed."

I used a file size that is larger than the amount of memory in
the client.

> Secondly, have you actually read the NFS FAQ and NFS HOWTO entries on
> how to tune for performance? Particularly the entries on TCP vs. UDP,
> and how Solaris clients default to the former.

Secondly,

Yes, I have *actually* read the NFS FAQ and NFS HOWTO entries
on how to tune for performance.

It was a pretty simple question.  I don't know what all the
attitude is about.  Do you have an answer you can share with
me or not?

Anyone else?



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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[Vincent Roqueta]

Le mardi 18 Janvier 2005 15:54, Jeff Blaine a =E9crit=A0:
> Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > fr den 14.01.2005 Klokka 14:00 (-0500) skreiv Jeff Blaine:
> >>Can anyone tell me what is happening in the graph at the URL
> >>below?  I can replicate it on any Linux box running 2.4.21
> >>and changing rsize/wsize doesn't affect it at all.  This
> >>was captured from a 2.6GHz P4 client machine.  Same thing
> >>is visible with a Dual 3GHz Xeon box with 4GB memory as a
> >>client.  A Solaris 9 client does not display this "falling
> >>on face" behavior.
> >>
> >>http://www.kickflop.net/temp/sol9-server-linux2421-client-gigE-ag930m_1=
05


That are reading perfs? Over a 1Gb/s network? Synchronous mount? (y)
Yours discs are capables of a 540Mo/s throughput? (No).
So you are working in cache...

http://nfsv4.bullopensource.org/tools/tests/NFSv4_tests.html


Vincent


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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[Jehan PROCACCIA]

Trond Myklebust wrote:

>fr den 14.01.2005 Klokka 14:00 (-0500) skreiv Jeff Blaine:
>  
>
>>Can anyone tell me what is happening in the graph at the URL
>>below?  I can replicate it on any Linux box running 2.4.21
>>and changing rsize/wsize doesn't affect it at all.  This
>>was captured from a 2.6GHz P4 client machine.  Same thing
>>is visible with a Dual 3GHz Xeon box with 4GB memory as a
>>client.  A Solaris 9 client does not display this "falling
>>on face" behavior.
>>
>>http://www.kickflop.net/temp/sol9-server-linux2421-client-gigE-ag930m_10533_image001.gif
>>    
>>
>
>Firstly, you should always use the '-c' flag when measuring NFS client
>performance. Otherwise, you are basically just measuring the speed with
>which your machine can write to the local page cache (which may indeed
>explain your "knee" at 1MB here - that would be where the client starts
>to force a flush to disk).
>
>Secondly, have you actually read the NFS FAQ and NFS HOWTO entries on
>how to tune for performance? Particularly the entries on TCP vs. UDP,
>and how Solaris clients default to the former.
>
>  Trond
>  
>
Hello,

more generaly, what tool do you recommand to bench NFS ?
I tried bonnie, bonnie++ and iozone.
for the latest here's the kind of command I ran (so that it doesn't 
takes hours to run the test!):
/opt/iozone/bin/iozone -p -s 10k -s 100k -s 1m -s 5m -s 10m -s 100m -i 
0  -i 1 -r 4 -r 64 -r 256 -r 512 -r 1024 -r 4096 -r8192 -r 16384 -c -U 
/mnt/cobra3 -f /mnt/cobra3/iozone.nagiostux > iozone-result

My problem is that my NFS server has 4Go of ram, and bench programs 
always recommand to use filesize for tests higher than RAM size and even 
double size of the RAM so that it is not messuring cache activities !

Can you give me a sample of the iozone arguments you used ?
Any other tools ?

thanks.


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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[Trond Myklebust]

fr den 21.01.2005 Klokka 18:09 (+0100) skreiv Jehan PROCACCIA:

> more generaly, what tool do you recommand to bench NFS ?
> I tried bonnie, bonnie++ and iozone.
> for the latest here's the kind of command I ran (so that it doesn't 
> takes hours to run the test!):
> /opt/iozone/bin/iozone -p -s 10k -s 100k -s 1m -s 5m -s 10m -s 100m -i 
> 0  -i 1 -r 4 -r 64 -r 256 -r 512 -r 1024 -r 4096 -r8192 -r 16384 -c -U 
> /mnt/cobra3 -f /mnt/cobra3/iozone.nagiostux > iozone-result
> 
> My problem is that my NFS server has 4Go of ram, and bench programs 
> always recommand to use filesize for tests higher than RAM size and even 
> double size of the RAM so that it is not messuring cache activities !

For tests of reading, this is undoubtedly true. For tests of writing
over NFS, this may be false: see the discussions of the iozone "-c" and
"-e" flags below.

Note that bonnie and bonnie++ lack the equivalent of the "-e", "-c"
flags, and so are indeed not good for testing wire speeds unless you use
very large files.

> Can you give me a sample of the iozone arguments you used ?
> Any other tools ?

It depends on what I want to test 8-)


Something like "iozone -c -a" should be fine for a basic test of the
generic read/write code functionality.
Note the "-c" which *is* usually necessary under NFS since any cached
writes are going to be flushed to disk by the "close()" (or when the
process exits). This means that close() will normally end up dominating
your write timings for files < memory size.

If you want to test mmap(), something like "iozone -e -B -a". I believe
that "-e" should normally ensure that any writes are flushed to disk
using the fsync() command, and that this is timed.
Note that if you don't care about knowing how long it takes for the
writes to be flushed to disk then you can drop the "-e": unlike ordinary
read/write, mmap() does not guarantee that writes are flushed to disk
after the file is closed.

For direct IO, "iozone -I -a" suffices. Since direct IO is uncached, all
write operations are synchronous, so "-c" and "-e" are unnecessary.


Cheers,
  Trond
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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[jehan.procaccia]

OK so now I run with your recommanded options and I get Output perfs as 
high as my network speed !! I am very surprised ! I don't think I am 
measuring NFS perfs here but network speed :-( .
Indeed for any couple filesize/record lenght I get wites result (see 
sample below) around 11000Kbytes/sec -> so if I am right -> 11MB/s -> or 
88Mbits/s ~= my 100Mbits ethernet througput ! (less ethernet/ip overhead !)

here's what I did:
$mount cobra3:/p2v5f3 /mnt/cobra3/ -o async,nfsvers=3
[root@arvouin /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin]
$time iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1 > arvouin-cobra3-i01-a-c-e.iozone

Command line used: iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1
        Output is in Kbytes/sec
Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes.
        Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes.
        File stride size set to 17 * record size.
                                                            random  
random    bkwd
record  stride
              KB  reclen   write rewrite    read    reread    read   
write    read rewrite    read   fwrite frewrite   fread  freread
            1024       4   10529   10603   409270   
408936                                           
            1024       8   10571   10666   472558   533076
....
            262144      64   11146   11156    11230    
11225                                            
            262144     128   11152   11172    11228    10948

here only read/reread changes as filesize increases , anyway 400/500MB/s 
reads is well over my 12.5 theorical ethernet througput, I suspect cache 
intervention here, no ? although I did put -e -c  options !

Any comment , advices ? what kind of result do you get for NFS writings 
with iozone ? as high as I get ? which options I am missing ?

Thanks. 

Trond Myklebust wrote:

>fr den 21.01.2005 Klokka 18:09 (+0100) skreiv Jehan PROCACCIA:
>  
>
>>more generaly, what tool do you recommand to bench NFS ?
>>I tried bonnie, bonnie++ and iozone.
>>for the latest here's the kind of command I ran (so that it doesn't 
>>takes hours to run the test!):
>>/opt/iozone/bin/iozone -p -s 10k -s 100k -s 1m -s 5m -s 10m -s 100m -i 
>>0  -i 1 -r 4 -r 64 -r 256 -r 512 -r 1024 -r 4096 -r8192 -r 16384 -c -U 
>>/mnt/cobra3 -f /mnt/cobra3/iozone.nagiostux > iozone-result
>>
>>My problem is that my NFS server has 4Go of ram, and bench programs 
>>always recommand to use filesize for tests higher than RAM size and even 
>>double size of the RAM so that it is not messuring cache activities !
>>    
>>
>
>For tests of reading, this is undoubtedly true. For tests of writing
>over NFS, this may be false: see the discussions of the iozone "-c" and
>"-e" flags below.
>
>Note that bonnie and bonnie++ lack the equivalent of the "-e", "-c"
>flags, and so are indeed not good for testing wire speeds unless you use
>very large files.
>
>  
>
>>Can you give me a sample of the iozone arguments you used ?
>>Any other tools ?
>>    
>>
>
>It depends on what I want to test 8-)
>
>
>Something like "iozone -c -a" should be fine for a basic test of the
>generic read/write code functionality.
>Note the "-c" which *is* usually necessary under NFS since any cached
>writes are going to be flushed to disk by the "close()" (or when the
>process exits). This means that close() will normally end up dominating
>your write timings for files < memory size.
>
>If you want to test mmap(), something like "iozone -e -B -a". I believe
>that "-e" should normally ensure that any writes are flushed to disk
>using the fsync() command, and that this is timed.
>Note that if you don't care about knowing how long it takes for the
>writes to be flushed to disk then you can drop the "-e": unlike ordinary
>read/write, mmap() does not guarantee that writes are flushed to disk
>after the file is closed.
>
>For direct IO, "iozone -I -a" suffices. Since direct IO is uncached, all
>write operations are synchronous, so "-c" and "-e" are unnecessary.
>
>
>Cheers,
>  Trond
>  
>



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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[Iozone]

Jehan,

    Your results are what I would expect, given your
    configuration.

    1. The -e and -c will flush the writes from the
        client to the server, and from the server to
        its disks. However, if the file size is smaller than
        the amount of ram in the server, then a copy of the
        data still exists in the server's cache. Thus, client
        reads can be satisfied from the server's cache and
        wire speeds would be expected.
        If the file size is smaller than the amount of RAM in the
        client, then reads could be satisfied from the client's
        cache. Thus, the results that are higher than wire speed.
        Note: In Trond's runs, he uses the -U option. This option
        un-mounts and re-mounts the NFS filesystem on the
        client. This defeats the client's cache, even for files
        that would fit in the client's RAM.

    2. If you are using mmap, you may control the sync
        behavior with the -D and -G options. The -D causes
        msync() to occur with it happening async. The -G
        causes msync() to occur with it happening sync.

    3. It is not too surprising that you see 11 Mbytes/sec over
        100 Mbit. It's not very challenging for even a single
        disk, on the server, to satisfy this flow rate. It would
        be more interesting to use Gigabit networking, as this
        would put more load on the server's disk subsystem.

    4. If you need to exceed the RAM in the server (to measure
        without cache effects) then you could do so by using
        the -U option, or you could use large files, or you could
        use the -t option, and have the aggregate file data set size
        be larger than the amount of RAM in the server.

    5. Be wary of using -I  (Direct I/O) The problem is not
        in Iozone, but in the fact that there are many versions
        of Linux, and other Unixes, that do not actually honor
        the O_DIRECT, but also do not return errors when
        it is used.  For example: Some systems have:

        Example #1:  #define O_DIRECT
        Example #2:  #define O_DIRECT O_SYNC
        Example #3:  #define O_DIRECT O_RSYNC|O_SYNC

        None of the above are actually equivalent to a real
        Direct I/O method.

    6. Getting very tricky here:
        You might try using the -W option. This enables file locking.
        Not that you wanted file locking, but you might want its
        side effect. In many Unix systems, enabling file locking over
        NFS completely disables the NFS client caching, for
        reads, and writes :-) and does so for ALL file sizes.

Enjoy,
Don Capps

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jehan.procaccia" <jehan.procaccia@int-evry.fr>
To: "Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
Cc: "Jeff Blaine" <jblaine@mitre.org>; <nfs@lists.sourceforge.net>; 
<capps@iozone.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [NFS] 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph


> OK so now I run with your recommanded options and I get Output perfs as 
> high as my network speed !! I am very surprised ! I don't think I am 
> measuring NFS perfs here but network speed :-( .
> Indeed for any couple filesize/record lenght I get wites result (see 
> sample below) around 11000Kbytes/sec -> so if I am right -> 11MB/s -> or 
> 88Mbits/s ~= my 100Mbits ethernet througput ! (less ethernet/ip overhead 
> !)
>
> here's what I did:
> $mount cobra3:/p2v5f3 /mnt/cobra3/ -o async,nfsvers=3
> [root@arvouin /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin]
> $time iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1 > arvouin-cobra3-i01-a-c-e.iozone
>
> Command line used: iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1
>        Output is in Kbytes/sec
> Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes.
>        Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes.
>        File stride size set to 17 * record size.
>                                                            random  random 
> bkwd
> record  stride
>              KB  reclen   write rewrite    read    reread    read   write 
> read rewrite    read   fwrite frewrite   fread  freread
>            1024       4   10529   10603   409270   408936 
> 1024       8   10571   10666   472558   533076
> ....
>            262144      64   11146   11156    11230    11225 
> 262144     128   11152   11172    11228    10948
>
> here only read/reread changes as filesize increases , anyway 400/500MB/s 
> reads is well over my 12.5 theorical ethernet througput, I suspect cache 
> intervention here, no ? although I did put -e -c  options !
>
> Any comment , advices ? what kind of result do you get for NFS writings 
> with iozone ? as high as I get ? which options I am missing ?
>
> Thanks.
> Trond Myklebust wrote:
>
>>fr den 21.01.2005 Klokka 18:09 (+0100) skreiv Jehan PROCACCIA:
>>
>>>more generaly, what tool do you recommand to bench NFS ?
>>>I tried bonnie, bonnie++ and iozone.
>>>for the latest here's the kind of command I ran (so that it doesn't takes 
>>>hours to run the test!):
>>>/opt/iozone/bin/iozone -p -s 10k -s 100k -s 1m -s 5m -s 10m -s 100m -i 
>>>  -i 1 -r 4 -r 64 -r 256 -r 512 -r 1024 -r 4096 -r8192 -r 16384 -c -U 
>>>/mnt/cobra3 -f /mnt/cobra3/iozone.nagiostux > iozone-result
>>>
>>>My problem is that my NFS server has 4Go of ram, and bench programs 
>>>always recommand to use filesize for tests higher than RAM size and even 
>>>double size of the RAM so that it is not messuring cache activities !
>>>
>>
>>For tests of reading, this is undoubtedly true. For tests of writing
>>over NFS, this may be false: see the discussions of the iozone "-c" and
>>"-e" flags below.
>>
>>Note that bonnie and bonnie++ lack the equivalent of the "-e", "-c"
>>flags, and so are indeed not good for testing wire speeds unless you use
>>very large files.
>>
>>
>>>Can you give me a sample of the iozone arguments you used ?
>>>Any other tools ?
>>>
>>
>>It depends on what I want to test 8-)
>>
>>
>>Something like "iozone -c -a" should be fine for a basic test of the
>>generic read/write code functionality.
>>Note the "-c" which *is* usually necessary under NFS since any cached
>>writes are going to be flushed to disk by the "close()" (or when the
>>process exits). This means that close() will normally end up dominating
>>your write timings for files < memory size.
>>
>>If you want to test mmap(), something like "iozone -e -B -a". I believe
>>that "-e" should normally ensure that any writes are flushed to disk
>>using the fsync() command, and that this is timed.
>>Note that if you don't care about knowing how long it takes for the
>>writes to be flushed to disk then you can drop the "-e": unlike ordinary
>>read/write, mmap() does not guarantee that writes are flushed to disk
>>after the file is closed.
>>
>>For direct IO, "iozone -I -a" suffices. Since direct IO is uncached, all
>>write operations are synchronous, so "-c" and "-e" are unnecessary.
>>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>  Trond
>>
>
> 




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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[jehan.procaccia]

Iozone wrote:

> Jehan,
>
>    Your results are what I would expect, given your
>    configuration.
>
>    1. The -e and -c will flush the writes from the
>        client to the server, and from the server to
>        its disks. However, if the file size is smaller than
>        the amount of ram in the server, then a copy of the
>        data still exists in the server's cache. Thus, client
>        reads can be satisfied from the server's cache and
>        wire speeds would be expected.
>        If the file size is smaller than the amount of RAM in the
>        client, then reads could be satisfied from the client's
>        cache. Thus, the results that are higher than wire speed.
>        Note: In Trond's runs, he uses the -U option. This option
>        un-mounts and re-mounts the NFS filesystem on the
>        client. This defeats the client's cache, even for files
>        that would fit in the client's RAM.

My problem is that I cannot managed to use the -U option :-( , after a 
few  mount/umounts (rapids -> their are mount/umount between every tests 
!)  here what happens:

Arvouin NFS client tester:
[root@arvouin /mnt]
$grep cobra3 /etc/fstab
cobra3:/p2v5f3          /mnt/cobra3             nfs     defaults        1 2
[root@arvouin /mnt]
$time iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1 -U /mnt/cobra3 -f 
/mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin/arvouin-async-cobra-sync > 
arvouin:async-cobra3:sync-i01-a-c-e-U-F.iozone
umount: /mnt/cobra3: not mounted
mount: cobra3:/p2v5f3 failed, reason given by server: Permission denied
creat: No such file or directory

Cobra3 NFS server logs:
Jan 30 11:32:20 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 
arvouin.int-evry.fr:844 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
Jan 30 11:32:21 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated unmount request from 
arvouin.int-evry.fr:848 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
Jan 30 11:32:21 cobra3 rpc.mountd: refused mount request from 
arvouin.int-evry.fr for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3): illegal port 34107

I thought about the firewall (Fedora core2 iptable), so I stopped it on 
both sides, no success :-( .

Jan 30 11:34:39 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated unmount request from 
arvouin.int-evry.fr:957 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
Jan 30 11:34:39 cobra3 rpc.mountd: refused mount request from 
arvouin.int-evry.fr for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3): illegal port 34111

Any idea on this ?

>
>    2. If you are using mmap, you may control the sync
>        behavior with the -D and -G options. The -D causes
>        msync() to occur with it happening async. The -G
>        causes msync() to occur with it happening sync.
>
I don't understand the "if you are using mmap" ? is running iozone -a 
uses mmap ? actually what I want to simulate is users homedirs dailly 
usage -> mostly connecting to gnome sessions (lock, name pipe, unix 
sockets ...) then use of tar , gcc, emacs, mozilla ! does that mean 
"unsing mmap" ? sorry if I seem a bit newbye here ...

>    3. It is not too surprising that you see 11 Mbytes/sec over
>        100 Mbit. It's not very challenging for even a single
>        disk, on the server, to satisfy this flow rate. It would
>        be more interesting to use Gigabit networking, as this
>        would put more load on the server's disk subsystem.
>
Indeed my AX100 fiber channel network storage uses 12x250GB SATA Disks 
at 7200 rpm each, it is specified to througout at around 150 MB/s -> 
well over ethernet 11 MB/s, so network should be the bottle neck ! but 
in that case why the untar of an apache distrib (~7MB) takes more than 
2minutes to be done ?

[root@calaz /mnt/cobra3sync/mci/test/Test-sync]
$ time tar xvfz /tmp/httpd-2.0.52.tar.gz
real    2m18.141s

If I compute right it's 50KB/s, far away from 11MB/s so network shortage 
is not in cause here . My pb is that users don't care about iozone 
11MB/s performances, they complain about their dailly usage !. But their 
complains are only "oral", I want to prove their complain with bench 
value -> so the use of iozone !
perhaps it's also a question of permissions/mode/attributes value 
checking -> NSS checks through the ldap directory etc ..., but iozone 
doesn't mesure that ?

>    4. If you need to exceed the RAM in the server (to measure
>        without cache effects) then you could do so by using
>        the -U option, or you could use large files, or you could
>        use the -t option, and have the aggregate file data set size
>        be larger than the amount of RAM in the server.
>
Large file size (here I need more than 4GB beacuase I have 4GB of ram on 
the NFS server), makes test very long :-( and I don't think it reflects 
the dailly usage of users .
I tried -t option:

Server export in sync, client mount in async
[root@arvouin /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin]
$time iozone -i 1 -i 0 -t 4 -r 64 -s 128M -F ./foo1 ./foo2 ./foo3 ./foo4
Throughput test with 4 processes
        Each process writes a 131072 Kbyte file in 64 Kbyte records
 
        Children see throughput for  4 initial writers  =   10994.48 KB/sec
        Parent sees throughput for  4 initial writers   =    8561.40 KB/sec
        Min throughput per process                      =    2085.77 KB/sec
        Max throughput per process                      =    3647.83 KB/sec
        Avg throughput per process                      =    2748.62 KB/sec
        Min xfer                                        =   82944.00 KB

here with this sample 8561.40 KB/sec I'am still at network 11MB/s bottle 
neck .

>    5. Be wary of using -I  (Direct I/O) The problem is not
>        in Iozone, but in the fact that there are many versions
>        of Linux, and other Unixes, that do not actually honor
>        the O_DIRECT, but also do not return errors when
>        it is used.  For example: Some systems have:
>
>        Example #1:  #define O_DIRECT
>        Example #2:  #define O_DIRECT O_SYNC
>        Example #3:  #define O_DIRECT O_RSYNC|O_SYNC
>
>        None of the above are actually equivalent to a real
>        Direct I/O method.

OK, I'll be carefull, although I don't know how to check what my system 
honors (redhat entreprise server 3 kernel 2.4.21-27.ELsmp ). where these 
#define can be check ?.
Anyway, I just blindly test -I  option directly on the server:
[root@cobra3 /p2v5f3/iozone/cobra3]
$ /opt/iozone/bin/iozone -a -I -i 0 -i 1
KB      reclen   write rewrite    read    reread  
4096      64   38611   38196    63046      63567
 
not too bad, although 38MB is not 150 MB, but this is commercial 
specification (150MB) maybe not reallity !

>
>    6. Getting very tricky here:
>        You might try using the -W option. This enables file locking.
>        Not that you wanted file locking, but you might want its
>        side effect. In many Unix systems, enabling file locking over
>        NFS completely disables the NFS client caching, for
>        reads, and writes :-) and does so for ALL file sizes.
>
I tried that, but no sinificative changes, still arount 10MB/s .

Thanks a lot for all your help, I hope I will finally use that iozone 
tool correcly :-) .

> Enjoy,
> Don Capps
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jehan.procaccia" 
> <jehan.procaccia@int-evry.fr>
> To: "Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
> Cc: "Jeff Blaine" <jblaine@mitre.org>; <nfs@lists.sourceforge.net>; 
> <capps@iozone.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [NFS] 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph
>
>
>> OK so now I run with your recommanded options and I get Output perfs 
>> as high as my network speed !! I am very surprised ! I don't think I 
>> am measuring NFS perfs here but network speed :-( .
>> Indeed for any couple filesize/record lenght I get wites result (see 
>> sample below) around 11000Kbytes/sec -> so if I am right -> 11MB/s -> 
>> or 88Mbits/s ~= my 100Mbits ethernet througput ! (less ethernet/ip 
>> overhead !)
>>
>> here's what I did:
>> $mount cobra3:/p2v5f3 /mnt/cobra3/ -o async,nfsvers=3
>> [root@arvouin /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin]
>> $time iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1 > arvouin-cobra3-i01-a-c-e.iozone
>>
>> Command line used: iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1
>>        Output is in Kbytes/sec
>> Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes.
>>        Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes.
>>        File stride size set to 17 * record size.
>>                                                            random  
>> random bkwd
>> record  stride
>>              KB  reclen   write rewrite    read    reread    read   
>> write read rewrite    read   fwrite frewrite   fread  freread
>>            1024       4   10529   10603   409270   408936 1024       
>> 8   10571   10666   472558   533076
>> ....
>>            262144      64   11146   11156    11230    11225 
>> 262144     128   11152   11172    11228    10948
>>
>> here only read/reread changes as filesize increases , anyway 
>> 400/500MB/s reads is well over my 12.5 theorical ethernet througput, 
>> I suspect cache intervention here, no ? although I did put -e -c  
>> options !
>>
>> Any comment , advices ? what kind of result do you get for NFS 
>> writings with iozone ? as high as I get ? which options I am missing ?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Trond Myklebust wrote:
>>
>>> fr den 21.01.2005 Klokka 18:09 (+0100) skreiv Jehan PROCACCIA:
>>>
>>>> more generaly, what tool do you recommand to bench NFS ?
>>>> I tried bonnie, bonnie++ and iozone.
>>>> for the latest here's the kind of command I ran (so that it doesn't 
>>>> takes hours to run the test!):
>>>> /opt/iozone/bin/iozone -p -s 10k -s 100k -s 1m -s 5m -s 10m -s 100m 
>>>> -i  -i 1 -r 4 -r 64 -r 256 -r 512 -r 1024 -r 4096 -r8192 -r 16384 
>>>> -c -U /mnt/cobra3 -f /mnt/cobra3/iozone.nagiostux > iozone-result
>>>>
>>>> My problem is that my NFS server has 4Go of ram, and bench programs 
>>>> always recommand to use filesize for tests higher than RAM size and 
>>>> even double size of the RAM so that it is not messuring cache 
>>>> activities !
>>>>
>>>
>>> For tests of reading, this is undoubtedly true. For tests of writing
>>> over NFS, this may be false: see the discussions of the iozone "-c" and
>>> "-e" flags below.
>>>
>>> Note that bonnie and bonnie++ lack the equivalent of the "-e", "-c"
>>> flags, and so are indeed not good for testing wire speeds unless you 
>>> use
>>> very large files.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can you give me a sample of the iozone arguments you used ?
>>>> Any other tools ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It depends on what I want to test 8-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Something like "iozone -c -a" should be fine for a basic test of the
>>> generic read/write code functionality.
>>> Note the "-c" which *is* usually necessary under NFS since any cached
>>> writes are going to be flushed to disk by the "close()" (or when the
>>> process exits). This means that close() will normally end up dominating
>>> your write timings for files < memory size.
>>>
>>> If you want to test mmap(), something like "iozone -e -B -a". I believe
>>> that "-e" should normally ensure that any writes are flushed to disk
>>> using the fsync() command, and that this is timed.
>>> Note that if you don't care about knowing how long it takes for the
>>> writes to be flushed to disk then you can drop the "-e": unlike 
>>> ordinary
>>> read/write, mmap() does not guarantee that writes are flushed to disk
>>> after the file is closed.
>>>
>>> For direct IO, "iozone -I -a" suffices. Since direct IO is uncached, 
>>> all
>>> write operations are synchronous, so "-c" and "-e" are unnecessary.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>  Trond
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[jehan.procaccia]

Hello, I didn't received  any answer to the post below ...  anyway  ,  I 
finally published my iozone/bonnie++/tar bench here:
http://www.int-evry.fr/s2ia/user/procacci/Doc/NFS/nfs.html#htoc48

unfortunatly most of them are saturated by the 12.5MB (100Mb)  ethernet 
bottle neck, and for the iozone cache suppression I couldn't find a way 
to run corretly with the -U option (which mount/umount FS at every 
tests) because of this error on the nfs server:
rpc.mountd: refused mount request from arvouin.int-evry.fr for /p2v5f3 
(/p2v5f3): illegal port 34111

I must admit  that in the logs I occationnaly get this "illegal port" 
error , even for regular NFS clients (not only iozone testers !) .
Is this a bug ? a mis configuration ?
this is on a RH ES 3 (Taroon Update 4) 2.4.21-27.ELsmp nfs-utils-1.0.6-33EL

Thanks.

jehan.procaccia wrote:

> Iozone wrote:
>
>> Jehan,
>>
>>    Your results are what I would expect, given your
>>    configuration.
>>
>>    1. The -e and -c will flush the writes from the
>>        client to the server, and from the server to
>>        its disks. However, if the file size is smaller than
>>        the amount of ram in the server, then a copy of the
>>        data still exists in the server's cache. Thus, client
>>        reads can be satisfied from the server's cache and
>>        wire speeds would be expected.
>>        If the file size is smaller than the amount of RAM in the
>>        client, then reads could be satisfied from the client's
>>        cache. Thus, the results that are higher than wire speed.
>>        Note: In Trond's runs, he uses the -U option. This option
>>        un-mounts and re-mounts the NFS filesystem on the
>>        client. This defeats the client's cache, even for files
>>        that would fit in the client's RAM.
>
>
> My problem is that I cannot managed to use the -U option :-( , after a 
> few  mount/umounts (rapids -> their are mount/umount between every 
> tests !)  here what happens:
>
> Arvouin NFS client tester:
> [root@arvouin /mnt]
> $grep cobra3 /etc/fstab
> cobra3:/p2v5f3          /mnt/cobra3             nfs     
> defaults        1 2
> [root@arvouin /mnt]
> $time iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1 -U /mnt/cobra3 -f 
> /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin/arvouin-async-cobra-sync > 
> arvouin:async-cobra3:sync-i01-a-c-e-U-F.iozone
> umount: /mnt/cobra3: not mounted
> mount: cobra3:/p2v5f3 failed, reason given by server: Permission denied
> creat: No such file or directory
>
> Cobra3 NFS server logs:
> Jan 30 11:32:20 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 
> arvouin.int-evry.fr:844 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
> Jan 30 11:32:21 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated unmount request from 
> arvouin.int-evry.fr:848 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
> Jan 30 11:32:21 cobra3 rpc.mountd: refused mount request from 
> arvouin.int-evry.fr for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3): illegal port 34107
>
> I thought about the firewall (Fedora core2 iptable), so I stopped it 
> on both sides, no success :-( .
>
> Jan 30 11:34:39 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated unmount request from 
> arvouin.int-evry.fr:957 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
> Jan 30 11:34:39 cobra3 rpc.mountd: refused mount request from 
> arvouin.int-evry.fr for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3): illegal port 34111
>
> Any idea on this ?
>
>>
>>    2. If you are using mmap, you may control the sync
>>        behavior with the -D and -G options. The -D causes
>>        msync() to occur with it happening async. The -G
>>        causes msync() to occur with it happening sync.
>>
> I don't understand the "if you are using mmap" ? is running iozone -a 
> uses mmap ? actually what I want to simulate is users homedirs dailly 
> usage -> mostly connecting to gnome sessions (lock, name pipe, unix 
> sockets ...) then use of tar , gcc, emacs, mozilla ! does that mean 
> "unsing mmap" ? sorry if I seem a bit newbye here ...
>
>>    3. It is not too surprising that you see 11 Mbytes/sec over
>>        100 Mbit. It's not very challenging for even a single
>>        disk, on the server, to satisfy this flow rate. It would
>>        be more interesting to use Gigabit networking, as this
>>        would put more load on the server's disk subsystem.
>>
> Indeed my AX100 fiber channel network storage uses 12x250GB SATA Disks 
> at 7200 rpm each, it is specified to througout at around 150 MB/s -> 
> well over ethernet 11 MB/s, so network should be the bottle neck ! but 
> in that case why the untar of an apache distrib (~7MB) takes more than 
> 2minutes to be done ?
>
> [root@calaz /mnt/cobra3sync/mci/test/Test-sync]
> $ time tar xvfz /tmp/httpd-2.0.52.tar.gz
> real    2m18.141s
>
> If I compute right it's 50KB/s, far away from 11MB/s so network 
> shortage is not in cause here . My pb is that users don't care about 
> iozone 11MB/s performances, they complain about their dailly usage !. 
> But their complains are only "oral", I want to prove their complain 
> with bench value -> so the use of iozone !
> perhaps it's also a question of permissions/mode/attributes value 
> checking -> NSS checks through the ldap directory etc ..., but iozone 
> doesn't mesure that ?
>
>>    4. If you need to exceed the RAM in the server (to measure
>>        without cache effects) then you could do so by using
>>        the -U option, or you could use large files, or you could
>>        use the -t option, and have the aggregate file data set size
>>        be larger than the amount of RAM in the server.
>>
> Large file size (here I need more than 4GB beacuase I have 4GB of ram 
> on the NFS server), makes test very long :-( and I don't think it 
> reflects the dailly usage of users .
> I tried -t option:
>
> Server export in sync, client mount in async
> [root@arvouin /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin]
> $time iozone -i 1 -i 0 -t 4 -r 64 -s 128M -F ./foo1 ./foo2 ./foo3 ./foo4
> Throughput test with 4 processes
>        Each process writes a 131072 Kbyte file in 64 Kbyte records
>
>        Children see throughput for  4 initial writers  =   10994.48 
> KB/sec
>        Parent sees throughput for  4 initial writers   =    8561.40 
> KB/sec
>        Min throughput per process                      =    2085.77 
> KB/sec
>        Max throughput per process                      =    3647.83 
> KB/sec
>        Avg throughput per process                      =    2748.62 
> KB/sec
>        Min xfer                                        =   82944.00 KB
>
> here with this sample 8561.40 KB/sec I'am still at network 11MB/s 
> bottle neck .
>
>>    5. Be wary of using -I  (Direct I/O) The problem is not
>>        in Iozone, but in the fact that there are many versions
>>        of Linux, and other Unixes, that do not actually honor
>>        the O_DIRECT, but also do not return errors when
>>        it is used.  For example: Some systems have:
>>
>>        Example #1:  #define O_DIRECT
>>        Example #2:  #define O_DIRECT O_SYNC
>>        Example #3:  #define O_DIRECT O_RSYNC|O_SYNC
>>
>>        None of the above are actually equivalent to a real
>>        Direct I/O method.
>
>
> OK, I'll be carefull, although I don't know how to check what my 
> system honors (redhat entreprise server 3 kernel 2.4.21-27.ELsmp ). 
> where these #define can be check ?.
> Anyway, I just blindly test -I  option directly on the server:
> [root@cobra3 /p2v5f3/iozone/cobra3]
> $ /opt/iozone/bin/iozone -a -I -i 0 -i 1
> KB      reclen   write rewrite    read    reread  4096      64   
> 38611   38196    63046      63567
>
> not too bad, although 38MB is not 150 MB, but this is commercial 
> specification (150MB) maybe not reallity !
>
>>
>>    6. Getting very tricky here:
>>        You might try using the -W option. This enables file locking.
>>        Not that you wanted file locking, but you might want its
>>        side effect. In many Unix systems, enabling file locking over
>>        NFS completely disables the NFS client caching, for
>>        reads, and writes :-) and does so for ALL file sizes.
>>
> I tried that, but no sinificative changes, still arount 10MB/s .
>
> Thanks a lot for all your help, I hope I will finally use that iozone 
> tool correcly :-) .
>
>> Enjoy,
>> Don Capps
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jehan.procaccia" 
>> <jehan.procaccia@int-evry.fr>
>> To: "Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
>> Cc: "Jeff Blaine" <jblaine@mitre.org>; <nfs@lists.sourceforge.net>; 
>> <capps@iozone.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NFS] 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph
>>
>>
>>> OK so now I run with your recommanded options and I get Output perfs 
>>> as high as my network speed !! I am very surprised ! I don't think I 
>>> am measuring NFS perfs here but network speed :-( .
>>> Indeed for any couple filesize/record lenght I get wites result (see 
>>> sample below) around 11000Kbytes/sec -> so if I am right -> 11MB/s 
>>> -> or 88Mbits/s ~= my 100Mbits ethernet througput ! (less 
>>> ethernet/ip overhead !)
>>>
>>> here's what I did:
>>> $mount cobra3:/p2v5f3 /mnt/cobra3/ -o async,nfsvers=3
>>> [root@arvouin /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin]
>>> $time iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1 > arvouin-cobra3-i01-a-c-e.iozone
>>>
>>> Command line used: iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1
>>>        Output is in Kbytes/sec
>>> Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes.
>>>        Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes.
>>>        File stride size set to 17 * record size.
>>>                                                            random  
>>> random bkwd
>>> record  stride
>>>              KB  reclen   write rewrite    read    reread    read   
>>> write read rewrite    read   fwrite frewrite   fread  freread
>>>            1024       4   10529   10603   409270   408936 1024       
>>> 8   10571   10666   472558   533076
>>> ....
>>>            262144      64   11146   11156    11230    11225 
>>> 262144     128   11152   11172    11228    10948
>>>
>>> here only read/reread changes as filesize increases , anyway 
>>> 400/500MB/s reads is well over my 12.5 theorical ethernet througput, 
>>> I suspect cache intervention here, no ? although I did put -e -c  
>>> options !
>>>
>>> Any comment , advices ? what kind of result do you get for NFS 
>>> writings with iozone ? as high as I get ? which options I am missing ?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Trond Myklebust wrote:
>>>
>>>> fr den 21.01.2005 Klokka 18:09 (+0100) skreiv Jehan PROCACCIA:
>>>>
>>>>> more generaly, what tool do you recommand to bench NFS ?
>>>>> I tried bonnie, bonnie++ and iozone.
>>>>> for the latest here's the kind of command I ran (so that it 
>>>>> doesn't takes hours to run the test!):
>>>>> /opt/iozone/bin/iozone -p -s 10k -s 100k -s 1m -s 5m -s 10m -s 
>>>>> 100m -i  -i 1 -r 4 -r 64 -r 256 -r 512 -r 1024 -r 4096 -r8192 -r 
>>>>> 16384 -c -U /mnt/cobra3 -f /mnt/cobra3/iozone.nagiostux > 
>>>>> iozone-result
>>>>>
>>>>> My problem is that my NFS server has 4Go of ram, and bench 
>>>>> programs always recommand to use filesize for tests higher than 
>>>>> RAM size and even double size of the RAM so that it is not 
>>>>> messuring cache activities !
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For tests of reading, this is undoubtedly true. For tests of writing
>>>> over NFS, this may be false: see the discussions of the iozone "-c" 
>>>> and
>>>> "-e" flags below.
>>>>
>>>> Note that bonnie and bonnie++ lack the equivalent of the "-e", "-c"
>>>> flags, and so are indeed not good for testing wire speeds unless 
>>>> you use
>>>> very large files.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Can you give me a sample of the iozone arguments you used ?
>>>>> Any other tools ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It depends on what I want to test 8-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Something like "iozone -c -a" should be fine for a basic test of the
>>>> generic read/write code functionality.
>>>> Note the "-c" which *is* usually necessary under NFS since any cached
>>>> writes are going to be flushed to disk by the "close()" (or when the
>>>> process exits). This means that close() will normally end up 
>>>> dominating
>>>> your write timings for files < memory size.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to test mmap(), something like "iozone -e -B -a". I 
>>>> believe
>>>> that "-e" should normally ensure that any writes are flushed to disk
>>>> using the fsync() command, and that this is timed.
>>>> Note that if you don't care about knowing how long it takes for the
>>>> writes to be flushed to disk then you can drop the "-e": unlike 
>>>> ordinary
>>>> read/write, mmap() does not guarantee that writes are flushed to disk
>>>> after the file is closed.
>>>>
>>>> For direct IO, "iozone -I -a" suffices. Since direct IO is 
>>>> uncached, all
>>>> write operations are synchronous, so "-c" and "-e" are unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>  Trond
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[Iozone]

Jehan,

    Yes, the "Illegal port" is a bug in the NFS server, or client.
    It's not coming from Iozone.

    Note: For the Iozone automatic tests, In the 3D graphs
             the right hand edge of the graph is where the
             file size is larger than the cache and represents the
             physical I/O activity. This is where you are bottlenecking
             on the 100Mbit interconnect.

        I noticed on your web page that you boiled the
    3D surface data down to a single value, and picked
    the highest value for this number. Ok... that's
    funky and pretty much meaningless.  If you must reduce the
    data down to a single  value, you'll have to pick what you
    want to represent.

    (Client side cache performance, or NFS server performance)

    and pick the value from the appropriate region on the
    surface of the plot.  Left side is the client cache, right side
    is NFS server. The cross over is where the file size
    no longer fits in the client side cache. Also, you'll need
    to document which thing you are measuring.

Enjoy,
Don Capps

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jehan.procaccia" <jehan.procaccia@int-evry.fr>
To: "jehan.procaccia" <jehan.procaccia@int-evry.fr>
Cc: "Iozone" <capps@iozone.org>; "Trond Myklebust" 
<trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>; "Jeff Blaine" <jblaine@mitre.org>; 
<nfs@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [NFS] 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph


> Hello, I didn't received  any answer to the post below ...  anyway  ,  I 
> finally published my iozone/bonnie++/tar bench here:
> http://www.int-evry.fr/s2ia/user/procacci/Doc/NFS/nfs.html#htoc48
>
> unfortunatly most of them are saturated by the 12.5MB (100Mb)  ethernet 
> bottle neck, and for the iozone cache suppression I couldn't find a way to 
> run corretly with the -U option (which mount/umount FS at every tests) 
> because of this error on the nfs server:
> rpc.mountd: refused mount request from arvouin.int-evry.fr for /p2v5f3 
> (/p2v5f3): illegal port 34111
>
> I must admit  that in the logs I occationnaly get this "illegal port" 
> error , even for regular NFS clients (not only iozone testers !) .
> Is this a bug ? a mis configuration ?
> this is on a RH ES 3 (Taroon Update 4) 2.4.21-27.ELsmp 
> nfs-utils-1.0.6-33EL
>
> Thanks.
>
> jehan.procaccia wrote:
>
>> Iozone wrote:
>>
>>> Jehan,
>>>
>>>    Your results are what I would expect, given your
>>>    configuration.
>>>
>>>    1. The -e and -c will flush the writes from the
>>>        client to the server, and from the server to
>>>        its disks. However, if the file size is smaller than
>>>        the amount of ram in the server, then a copy of the
>>>        data still exists in the server's cache. Thus, client
>>>        reads can be satisfied from the server's cache and
>>>        wire speeds would be expected.
>>>        If the file size is smaller than the amount of RAM in the
>>>        client, then reads could be satisfied from the client's
>>>        cache. Thus, the results that are higher than wire speed.
>>>        Note: In Trond's runs, he uses the -U option. This option
>>>        un-mounts and re-mounts the NFS filesystem on the
>>>        client. This defeats the client's cache, even for files
>>>        that would fit in the client's RAM.
>>
>>
>> My problem is that I cannot managed to use the -U option :-( , after a 
>> few  mount/umounts (rapids -> their are mount/umount between every tests 
>> !)  here what happens:
>>
>> Arvouin NFS client tester:
>> [root@arvouin /mnt]
>> $grep cobra3 /etc/fstab
>> cobra3:/p2v5f3          /mnt/cobra3             nfs     defaults        1 
>> 2
>> [root@arvouin /mnt]
>> $time iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1 -U /mnt/cobra3 -f 
>> /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin/arvouin-async-cobra-sync > 
>> arvouin:async-cobra3:sync-i01-a-c-e-U-F.iozone
>> umount: /mnt/cobra3: not mounted
>> mount: cobra3:/p2v5f3 failed, reason given by server: Permission denied
>> creat: No such file or directory
>>
>> Cobra3 NFS server logs:
>> Jan 30 11:32:20 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 
>> arvouin.int-evry.fr:844 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
>> Jan 30 11:32:21 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated unmount request from 
>> arvouin.int-evry.fr:848 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
>> Jan 30 11:32:21 cobra3 rpc.mountd: refused mount request from 
>> arvouin.int-evry.fr for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3): illegal port 34107
>>
>> I thought about the firewall (Fedora core2 iptable), so I stopped it on 
>> both sides, no success :-( .
>>
>> Jan 30 11:34:39 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated unmount request from 
>> arvouin.int-evry.fr:957 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
>> Jan 30 11:34:39 cobra3 rpc.mountd: refused mount request from 
>> arvouin.int-evry.fr for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3): illegal port 34111
>>
>> Any idea on this ?
>>
>>>
>>>    2. If you are using mmap, you may control the sync
>>>        behavior with the -D and -G options. The -D causes
>>>        msync() to occur with it happening async. The -G
>>>        causes msync() to occur with it happening sync.
>>>
>> I don't understand the "if you are using mmap" ? is running iozone -a 
>> uses mmap ? actually what I want to simulate is users homedirs dailly 
>> usage -> mostly connecting to gnome sessions (lock, name pipe, unix 
>> sockets ...) then use of tar , gcc, emacs, mozilla ! does that mean 
>> "unsing mmap" ? sorry if I seem a bit newbye here ...
>>
>>>    3. It is not too surprising that you see 11 Mbytes/sec over
>>>        100 Mbit. It's not very challenging for even a single
>>>        disk, on the server, to satisfy this flow rate. It would
>>>        be more interesting to use Gigabit networking, as this
>>>        would put more load on the server's disk subsystem.
>>>
>> Indeed my AX100 fiber channel network storage uses 12x250GB SATA Disks at 
>> 7200 rpm each, it is specified to througout at around 150 MB/s -> well 
>> over ethernet 11 MB/s, so network should be the bottle neck ! but in that 
>> case why the untar of an apache distrib (~7MB) takes more than 2minutes 
>> to be done ?
>>
>> [root@calaz /mnt/cobra3sync/mci/test/Test-sync]
>> $ time tar xvfz /tmp/httpd-2.0.52.tar.gz
>> real    2m18.141s
>>
>> If I compute right it's 50KB/s, far away from 11MB/s so network shortage 
>> is not in cause here . My pb is that users don't care about iozone 11MB/s 
>> performances, they complain about their dailly usage !. But their 
>> complains are only "oral", I want to prove their complain with bench 
>> value -> so the use of iozone !
>> perhaps it's also a question of permissions/mode/attributes value 
>> checking -> NSS checks through the ldap directory etc ..., but iozone 
>> doesn't mesure that ?
>>
>>>    4. If you need to exceed the RAM in the server (to measure
>>>        without cache effects) then you could do so by using
>>>        the -U option, or you could use large files, or you could
>>>        use the -t option, and have the aggregate file data set size
>>>        be larger than the amount of RAM in the server.
>>>
>> Large file size (here I need more than 4GB beacuase I have 4GB of ram on 
>> the NFS server), makes test very long :-( and I don't think it reflects 
>> the dailly usage of users .
>> I tried -t option:
>>
>> Server export in sync, client mount in async
>> [root@arvouin /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin]
>> $time iozone -i 1 -i 0 -t 4 -r 64 -s 128M -F ./foo1 ./foo2 ./foo3 ./foo4
>> Throughput test with 4 processes
>>        Each process writes a 131072 Kbyte file in 64 Kbyte records
>>
>>        Children see throughput for  4 initial writers  =   10994.48 
>> KB/sec
>>        Parent sees throughput for  4 initial writers   =    8561.40 
>> KB/sec
>>        Min throughput per process                      =    2085.77 
>> KB/sec
>>        Max throughput per process                      =    3647.83 
>> KB/sec
>>        Avg throughput per process                      =    2748.62 
>> KB/sec
>>        Min xfer                                        =   82944.00 KB
>>
>> here with this sample 8561.40 KB/sec I'am still at network 11MB/s bottle 
>> neck .
>>
>>>    5. Be wary of using -I  (Direct I/O) The problem is not
>>>        in Iozone, but in the fact that there are many versions
>>>        of Linux, and other Unixes, that do not actually honor
>>>        the O_DIRECT, but also do not return errors when
>>>        it is used.  For example: Some systems have:
>>>
>>>        Example #1:  #define O_DIRECT
>>>        Example #2:  #define O_DIRECT O_SYNC
>>>        Example #3:  #define O_DIRECT O_RSYNC|O_SYNC
>>>
>>>        None of the above are actually equivalent to a real
>>>        Direct I/O method.
>>
>>
>> OK, I'll be carefull, although I don't know how to check what my system 
>> honors (redhat entreprise server 3 kernel 2.4.21-27.ELsmp ). where these 
>> #define can be check ?.
>> Anyway, I just blindly test -I  option directly on the server:
>> [root@cobra3 /p2v5f3/iozone/cobra3]
>> $ /opt/iozone/bin/iozone -a -I -i 0 -i 1
>> KB      reclen   write rewrite    read    reread  4096      64   38611 
>> 38196    63046      63567
>>
>> not too bad, although 38MB is not 150 MB, but this is commercial 
>> specification (150MB) maybe not reallity !
>>
>>>
>>>    6. Getting very tricky here:
>>>        You might try using the -W option. This enables file locking.
>>>        Not that you wanted file locking, but you might want its
>>>        side effect. In many Unix systems, enabling file locking over
>>>        NFS completely disables the NFS client caching, for
>>>        reads, and writes :-) and does so for ALL file sizes.
>>>
>> I tried that, but no sinificative changes, still arount 10MB/s .
>>
>> Thanks a lot for all your help, I hope I will finally use that iozone 
>> tool correcly :-) .
>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>> Don Capps
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jehan.procaccia" 
>>> <jehan.procaccia@int-evry.fr>
>>> To: "Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
>>> Cc: "Jeff Blaine" <jblaine@mitre.org>; <nfs@lists.sourceforge.net>; 
>>> <capps@iozone.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:48 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NFS] 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph
>>>
>>>
>>>> OK so now I run with your recommanded options and I get Output perfs as 
>>>> high as my network speed !! I am very surprised ! I don't think I am 
>>>> measuring NFS perfs here but network speed :-( .
>>>> Indeed for any couple filesize/record lenght I get wites result (see 
>>>> sample below) around 11000Kbytes/sec -> so if I am right -> 11MB/s -> 
>>>> or 88Mbits/s ~= my 100Mbits ethernet througput ! (less ethernet/ip 
>>>> overhead !)
>>>>
>>>> here's what I did:
>>>> $mount cobra3:/p2v5f3 /mnt/cobra3/ -o async,nfsvers=3
>>>> [root@arvouin /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin]
>>>> $time iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1 > arvouin-cobra3-i01-a-c-e.iozone
>>>>
>>>> Command line used: iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1
>>>>        Output is in Kbytes/sec
>>>> Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes.
>>>>        Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes.
>>>>        File stride size set to 17 * record size.
>>>>                                                            random 
>>>> random bkwd
>>>> record  stride
>>>>              KB  reclen   write rewrite    read    reread    read 
>>>> write read rewrite    read   fwrite frewrite   fread  freread
>>>>            1024       4   10529   10603   409270   408936 1024       8 
>>>> 10571   10666   472558   533076
>>>> ....
>>>>            262144      64   11146   11156    11230    11225 262144 
>>>> 128   11152   11172    11228    10948
>>>>
>>>> here only read/reread changes as filesize increases , anyway 
>>>> 400/500MB/s reads is well over my 12.5 theorical ethernet througput, I 
>>>> suspect cache intervention here, no ? although I did put -e -c  options 
>>>> !
>>>>
>>>> Any comment , advices ? what kind of result do you get for NFS writings 
>>>> with iozone ? as high as I get ? which options I am missing ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Trond Myklebust wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> fr den 21.01.2005 Klokka 18:09 (+0100) skreiv Jehan PROCACCIA:
>>>>>
>>>>>> more generaly, what tool do you recommand to bench NFS ?
>>>>>> I tried bonnie, bonnie++ and iozone.
>>>>>> for the latest here's the kind of command I ran (so that it doesn't 
>>>>>> takes hours to run the test!):
>>>>>> /opt/iozone/bin/iozone -p -s 10k -s 100k -s 1m -s 5m -s 10m -s 
>>>>>> 100m -i  -i 1 -r 4 -r 64 -r 256 -r 512 -r 1024 -r 4096 -r8192 -r 
>>>>>> 16384 -c -U /mnt/cobra3 -f /mnt/cobra3/iozone.nagiostux > 
>>>>>> iozone-result
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My problem is that my NFS server has 4Go of ram, and bench programs 
>>>>>> always recommand to use filesize for tests higher than RAM size and 
>>>>>> even double size of the RAM so that it is not messuring cache 
>>>>>> activities !
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For tests of reading, this is undoubtedly true. For tests of writing
>>>>> over NFS, this may be false: see the discussions of the iozone "-c" 
>>>>> and
>>>>> "-e" flags below.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that bonnie and bonnie++ lack the equivalent of the "-e", "-c"
>>>>> flags, and so are indeed not good for testing wire speeds unless you 
>>>>> use
>>>>> very large files.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you give me a sample of the iozone arguments you used ?
>>>>>> Any other tools ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It depends on what I want to test 8-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Something like "iozone -c -a" should be fine for a basic test of the
>>>>> generic read/write code functionality.
>>>>> Note the "-c" which *is* usually necessary under NFS since any cached
>>>>> writes are going to be flushed to disk by the "close()" (or when the
>>>>> process exits). This means that close() will normally end up 
>>>>> dominating
>>>>> your write timings for files < memory size.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to test mmap(), something like "iozone -e -B -a". I 
>>>>> believe
>>>>> that "-e" should normally ensure that any writes are flushed to disk
>>>>> using the fsync() command, and that this is timed.
>>>>> Note that if you don't care about knowing how long it takes for the
>>>>> writes to be flushed to disk then you can drop the "-e": unlike 
>>>>> ordinary
>>>>> read/write, mmap() does not guarantee that writes are flushed to disk
>>>>> after the file is closed.
>>>>>
>>>>> For direct IO, "iozone -I -a" suffices. Since direct IO is uncached, 
>>>>> all
>>>>> write operations are synchronous, so "-c" and "-e" are unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>  Trond
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 




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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[jehan.procaccia]

Iozone wrote:

> Jehan,
>
>    Yes, the "Illegal port" is a bug in the NFS server, or client.
>    It's not coming from Iozone.

OK for this I'll try the "insecure" export option as advices by Bruce 
Fields ...

>
>    Note: For the Iozone automatic tests, In the 3D graphs
>             the right hand edge of the graph is where the
>             file size is larger than the cache and represents the
>             physical I/O activity. This is where you are bottlenecking
>             on the 100Mbit interconnect.
>
>        I noticed on your web page that you boiled the
>    3D surface data down to a single value, and picked
>    the highest value for this number. Ok... that's
>    funky and pretty much meaningless.


Yes , I did that on purpose to have a single value of comparition with 
bonnie++ tests, see the beware paragraph in the 13.1.4 section . But 
indedd I must adit it is pretty much meaningless !.

>   If you must reduce the
>    data down to a single  value, you'll have to pick what you
>    want to represent.
>
>    (Client side cache performance, or NFS server performance)
>
>    and pick the value from the appropriate region on the
>    surface of the plot.  Left side is the client cache, right side
>    is NFS server. 

the thing is that the slope of the surface (not sure of my english here 
...) is rather climbing from left to right in writes tests, and droping 
from left to right in read tests !
exemple : 
http://www.int-evry.fr/s2ia/user/procacci/Doc/NFS/Aa-C2s/write/write.png
so when the client cache is overfull I get better write performances .. 
? surprising !?.

http://www.int-evry.fr/s2ia/user/procacci/Doc/NFS/Aa-C2s/read/read.png
here in reads, when the cache is overfull I get lower read performances 
with a signyficative break at the 128MB file size ! Here I find this to 
be logical .

> The cross over is where the file size
>    no longer fits in the client side cache. Also, you'll need
>    to document which thing you are measuring.

Actually I want to measure the whole NFS performance, for daily users 
usage,  from client to server reponses, isn't it why I did ?

Thanks.

>
> Enjoy,
> Don Capps
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jehan.procaccia" 
> <jehan.procaccia@int-evry.fr>
> To: "jehan.procaccia" <jehan.procaccia@int-evry.fr>
> Cc: "Iozone" <capps@iozone.org>; "Trond Myklebust" 
> <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>; "Jeff Blaine" <jblaine@mitre.org>; 
> <nfs@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [NFS] 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph
>
>
>> Hello, I didn't received  any answer to the post below ...  anyway  
>> ,  I finally published my iozone/bonnie++/tar bench here:
>> http://www.int-evry.fr/s2ia/user/procacci/Doc/NFS/nfs.html#htoc48
>>
>> unfortunatly most of them are saturated by the 12.5MB (100Mb)  
>> ethernet bottle neck, and for the iozone cache suppression I couldn't 
>> find a way to run corretly with the -U option (which mount/umount FS 
>> at every tests) because of this error on the nfs server:
>> rpc.mountd: refused mount request from arvouin.int-evry.fr for 
>> /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3): illegal port 34111
>>
>> I must admit  that in the logs I occationnaly get this "illegal port" 
>> error , even for regular NFS clients (not only iozone testers !) .
>> Is this a bug ? a mis configuration ?
>> this is on a RH ES 3 (Taroon Update 4) 2.4.21-27.ELsmp 
>> nfs-utils-1.0.6-33EL
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> jehan.procaccia wrote:
>>
>>> Iozone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jehan,
>>>>
>>>>    Your results are what I would expect, given your
>>>>    configuration.
>>>>
>>>>    1. The -e and -c will flush the writes from the
>>>>        client to the server, and from the server to
>>>>        its disks. However, if the file size is smaller than
>>>>        the amount of ram in the server, then a copy of the
>>>>        data still exists in the server's cache. Thus, client
>>>>        reads can be satisfied from the server's cache and
>>>>        wire speeds would be expected.
>>>>        If the file size is smaller than the amount of RAM in the
>>>>        client, then reads could be satisfied from the client's
>>>>        cache. Thus, the results that are higher than wire speed.
>>>>        Note: In Trond's runs, he uses the -U option. This option
>>>>        un-mounts and re-mounts the NFS filesystem on the
>>>>        client. This defeats the client's cache, even for files
>>>>        that would fit in the client's RAM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My problem is that I cannot managed to use the -U option :-( , after 
>>> a few  mount/umounts (rapids -> their are mount/umount between every 
>>> tests !)  here what happens:
>>>
>>> Arvouin NFS client tester:
>>> [root@arvouin /mnt]
>>> $grep cobra3 /etc/fstab
>>> cobra3:/p2v5f3          /mnt/cobra3             nfs     
>>> defaults        1 2
>>> [root@arvouin /mnt]
>>> $time iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1 -U /mnt/cobra3 -f 
>>> /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin/arvouin-async-cobra-sync > 
>>> arvouin:async-cobra3:sync-i01-a-c-e-U-F.iozone
>>> umount: /mnt/cobra3: not mounted
>>> mount: cobra3:/p2v5f3 failed, reason given by server: Permission denied
>>> creat: No such file or directory
>>>
>>> Cobra3 NFS server logs:
>>> Jan 30 11:32:20 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 
>>> arvouin.int-evry.fr:844 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
>>> Jan 30 11:32:21 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated unmount request 
>>> from arvouin.int-evry.fr:848 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
>>> Jan 30 11:32:21 cobra3 rpc.mountd: refused mount request from 
>>> arvouin.int-evry.fr for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3): illegal port 34107
>>>
>>> I thought about the firewall (Fedora core2 iptable), so I stopped it 
>>> on both sides, no success :-( .
>>>
>>> Jan 30 11:34:39 cobra3 rpc.mountd: authenticated unmount request 
>>> from arvouin.int-evry.fr:957 for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3)
>>> Jan 30 11:34:39 cobra3 rpc.mountd: refused mount request from 
>>> arvouin.int-evry.fr for /p2v5f3 (/p2v5f3): illegal port 34111
>>>
>>> Any idea on this ?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>    2. If you are using mmap, you may control the sync
>>>>        behavior with the -D and -G options. The -D causes
>>>>        msync() to occur with it happening async. The -G
>>>>        causes msync() to occur with it happening sync.
>>>>
>>> I don't understand the "if you are using mmap" ? is running iozone 
>>> -a uses mmap ? actually what I want to simulate is users homedirs 
>>> dailly usage -> mostly connecting to gnome sessions (lock, name 
>>> pipe, unix sockets ...) then use of tar , gcc, emacs, mozilla ! does 
>>> that mean "unsing mmap" ? sorry if I seem a bit newbye here ...
>>>
>>>>    3. It is not too surprising that you see 11 Mbytes/sec over
>>>>        100 Mbit. It's not very challenging for even a single
>>>>        disk, on the server, to satisfy this flow rate. It would
>>>>        be more interesting to use Gigabit networking, as this
>>>>        would put more load on the server's disk subsystem.
>>>>
>>> Indeed my AX100 fiber channel network storage uses 12x250GB SATA 
>>> Disks at 7200 rpm each, it is specified to througout at around 150 
>>> MB/s -> well over ethernet 11 MB/s, so network should be the bottle 
>>> neck ! but in that case why the untar of an apache distrib (~7MB) 
>>> takes more than 2minutes to be done ?
>>>
>>> [root@calaz /mnt/cobra3sync/mci/test/Test-sync]
>>> $ time tar xvfz /tmp/httpd-2.0.52.tar.gz
>>> real    2m18.141s
>>>
>>> If I compute right it's 50KB/s, far away from 11MB/s so network 
>>> shortage is not in cause here . My pb is that users don't care about 
>>> iozone 11MB/s performances, they complain about their dailly usage 
>>> !. But their complains are only "oral", I want to prove their 
>>> complain with bench value -> so the use of iozone !
>>> perhaps it's also a question of permissions/mode/attributes value 
>>> checking -> NSS checks through the ldap directory etc ..., but 
>>> iozone doesn't mesure that ?
>>>
>>>>    4. If you need to exceed the RAM in the server (to measure
>>>>        without cache effects) then you could do so by using
>>>>        the -U option, or you could use large files, or you could
>>>>        use the -t option, and have the aggregate file data set size
>>>>        be larger than the amount of RAM in the server.
>>>>
>>> Large file size (here I need more than 4GB beacuase I have 4GB of 
>>> ram on the NFS server), makes test very long :-( and I don't think 
>>> it reflects the dailly usage of users .
>>> I tried -t option:
>>>
>>> Server export in sync, client mount in async
>>> [root@arvouin /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin]
>>> $time iozone -i 1 -i 0 -t 4 -r 64 -s 128M -F ./foo1 ./foo2 ./foo3 
>>> ./foo4
>>> Throughput test with 4 processes
>>>        Each process writes a 131072 Kbyte file in 64 Kbyte records
>>>
>>>        Children see throughput for  4 initial writers  =   10994.48 
>>> KB/sec
>>>        Parent sees throughput for  4 initial writers   =    8561.40 
>>> KB/sec
>>>        Min throughput per process                      =    2085.77 
>>> KB/sec
>>>        Max throughput per process                      =    3647.83 
>>> KB/sec
>>>        Avg throughput per process                      =    2748.62 
>>> KB/sec
>>>        Min xfer                                        =   82944.00 KB
>>>
>>> here with this sample 8561.40 KB/sec I'am still at network 11MB/s 
>>> bottle neck .
>>>
>>>>    5. Be wary of using -I  (Direct I/O) The problem is not
>>>>        in Iozone, but in the fact that there are many versions
>>>>        of Linux, and other Unixes, that do not actually honor
>>>>        the O_DIRECT, but also do not return errors when
>>>>        it is used.  For example: Some systems have:
>>>>
>>>>        Example #1:  #define O_DIRECT
>>>>        Example #2:  #define O_DIRECT O_SYNC
>>>>        Example #3:  #define O_DIRECT O_RSYNC|O_SYNC
>>>>
>>>>        None of the above are actually equivalent to a real
>>>>        Direct I/O method.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, I'll be carefull, although I don't know how to check what my 
>>> system honors (redhat entreprise server 3 kernel 2.4.21-27.ELsmp ). 
>>> where these #define can be check ?.
>>> Anyway, I just blindly test -I  option directly on the server:
>>> [root@cobra3 /p2v5f3/iozone/cobra3]
>>> $ /opt/iozone/bin/iozone -a -I -i 0 -i 1
>>> KB      reclen   write rewrite    read    reread  4096      64   
>>> 38611 38196    63046      63567
>>>
>>> not too bad, although 38MB is not 150 MB, but this is commercial 
>>> specification (150MB) maybe not reallity !
>>>
>>>>
>>>>    6. Getting very tricky here:
>>>>        You might try using the -W option. This enables file locking.
>>>>        Not that you wanted file locking, but you might want its
>>>>        side effect. In many Unix systems, enabling file locking over
>>>>        NFS completely disables the NFS client caching, for
>>>>        reads, and writes :-) and does so for ALL file sizes.
>>>>
>>> I tried that, but no sinificative changes, still arount 10MB/s .
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for all your help, I hope I will finally use that 
>>> iozone tool correcly :-) .
>>>
>>>> Enjoy,
>>>> Don Capps
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jehan.procaccia" 
>>>> <jehan.procaccia@int-evry.fr>
>>>> To: "Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
>>>> Cc: "Jeff Blaine" <jblaine@mitre.org>; <nfs@lists.sourceforge.net>; 
>>>> <capps@iozone.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:48 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NFS] 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> OK so now I run with your recommanded options and I get Output 
>>>>> perfs as high as my network speed !! I am very surprised ! I don't 
>>>>> think I am measuring NFS perfs here but network speed :-( .
>>>>> Indeed for any couple filesize/record lenght I get wites result 
>>>>> (see sample below) around 11000Kbytes/sec -> so if I am right -> 
>>>>> 11MB/s -> or 88Mbits/s ~= my 100Mbits ethernet througput ! (less 
>>>>> ethernet/ip overhead !)
>>>>>
>>>>> here's what I did:
>>>>> $mount cobra3:/p2v5f3 /mnt/cobra3/ -o async,nfsvers=3
>>>>> [root@arvouin /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin]
>>>>> $time iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1 > arvouin-cobra3-i01-a-c-e.iozone
>>>>>
>>>>> Command line used: iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1
>>>>>        Output is in Kbytes/sec
>>>>> Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes.
>>>>>        Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes.
>>>>>        File stride size set to 17 * record size.
>>>>>                                                            random 
>>>>> random bkwd
>>>>> record  stride
>>>>>              KB  reclen   write rewrite    read    reread    read 
>>>>> write read rewrite    read   fwrite frewrite   fread  freread
>>>>>            1024       4   10529   10603   409270   408936 
>>>>> 1024       8 10571   10666   472558   533076
>>>>> ....
>>>>>            262144      64   11146   11156    11230    11225 262144 
>>>>> 128   11152   11172    11228    10948
>>>>>
>>>>> here only read/reread changes as filesize increases , anyway 
>>>>> 400/500MB/s reads is well over my 12.5 theorical ethernet 
>>>>> througput, I suspect cache intervention here, no ? although I did 
>>>>> put -e -c  options !
>>>>>
>>>>> Any comment , advices ? what kind of result do you get for NFS 
>>>>> writings with iozone ? as high as I get ? which options I am 
>>>>> missing ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Trond Myklebust wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> fr den 21.01.2005 Klokka 18:09 (+0100) skreiv Jehan PROCACCIA:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> more generaly, what tool do you recommand to bench NFS ?
>>>>>>> I tried bonnie, bonnie++ and iozone.
>>>>>>> for the latest here's the kind of command I ran (so that it 
>>>>>>> doesn't takes hours to run the test!):
>>>>>>> /opt/iozone/bin/iozone -p -s 10k -s 100k -s 1m -s 5m -s 10m -s 
>>>>>>> 100m -i  -i 1 -r 4 -r 64 -r 256 -r 512 -r 1024 -r 4096 -r8192 -r 
>>>>>>> 16384 -c -U /mnt/cobra3 -f /mnt/cobra3/iozone.nagiostux > 
>>>>>>> iozone-result
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My problem is that my NFS server has 4Go of ram, and bench 
>>>>>>> programs always recommand to use filesize for tests higher than 
>>>>>>> RAM size and even double size of the RAM so that it is not 
>>>>>>> messuring cache activities !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For tests of reading, this is undoubtedly true. For tests of writing
>>>>>> over NFS, this may be false: see the discussions of the iozone 
>>>>>> "-c" and
>>>>>> "-e" flags below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that bonnie and bonnie++ lack the equivalent of the "-e", "-c"
>>>>>> flags, and so are indeed not good for testing wire speeds unless 
>>>>>> you use
>>>>>> very large files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you give me a sample of the iozone arguments you used ?
>>>>>>> Any other tools ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It depends on what I want to test 8-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something like "iozone -c -a" should be fine for a basic test of the
>>>>>> generic read/write code functionality.
>>>>>> Note the "-c" which *is* usually necessary under NFS since any 
>>>>>> cached
>>>>>> writes are going to be flushed to disk by the "close()" (or when the
>>>>>> process exits). This means that close() will normally end up 
>>>>>> dominating
>>>>>> your write timings for files < memory size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to test mmap(), something like "iozone -e -B -a". I 
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> that "-e" should normally ensure that any writes are flushed to disk
>>>>>> using the fsync() command, and that this is timed.
>>>>>> Note that if you don't care about knowing how long it takes for the
>>>>>> writes to be flushed to disk then you can drop the "-e": unlike 
>>>>>> ordinary
>>>>>> read/write, mmap() does not guarantee that writes are flushed to 
>>>>>> disk
>>>>>> after the file is closed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For direct IO, "iozone -I -a" suffices. Since direct IO is 
>>>>>> uncached, all
>>>>>> write operations are synchronous, so "-c" and "-e" are unnecessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>  Trond
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[Iozone]

Jehan,

    Comments below:

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jehan.procaccia" <jehan.procaccia@int-evry.fr>
To: "Iozone" <capps@iozone.org>
Cc: "Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>; "Jeff Blaine" 
<jblaine@mitre.org>; <nfs@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [NFS] 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph


>>
>>        I noticed on your web page that you boiled the
>>    3D surface data down to a single value, and picked
>>    the highest value for this number. Ok... that's
>>    funky and pretty much meaningless.
>
>
> Yes , I did that on purpose to have a single value of comparition with 
> bonnie++ tests, see the beware paragraph in the 13.1.4 section . But 
> indedd I must adit it is pretty much meaningless !.

    If you want to compare a single value from Iozone with Bonnie then
    you need to run Iozone and Bonnie with the same file size, and
    since you seem to want physical I/O, use a file size that is
    larger than the amount of RAM in the NFS client.
    With that done, you should get 11 Mbytes/sec on both
    tests, as you are 100Mbit limited.  Again, not terribly revealing
    but at least both tests were run under similar conditions.

>
>>   If you must reduce the
>>    data down to a single  value, you'll have to pick what you
>>    want to represent.
>>
>>    (Client side cache performance, or NFS server performance)
>>
>>    and pick the value from the appropriate region on the
>>    surface of the plot.  Left side is the client cache, right side
>>    is NFS server.
>
> the thing is that the slope of the surface (not sure of my english here 
> ...)

        Your English is far better than my French :-)

> is rather climbing from left to right in writes tests, and droping from 
> left to right in read tests !
> exemple : 
> http://www.int-evry.fr/s2ia/user/procacci/Doc/NFS/Aa-C2s/write/write.png
> so when the client cache is overfull I get better write performances .. ? 
> surprising !?.
>
> http://www.int-evry.fr/s2ia/user/procacci/Doc/NFS/Aa-C2s/read/read.png
> here in reads, when the cache is overfull I get lower read performances 
> with a signyficative break at the 128MB file size ! Here I find this to be 
> logical .

    Look at the Y axis scale.  The Writer is scaled to 12 Mbytes/sec. The
    Reader is scaled to 700 Mbytes/sec.  For the writer, the larger
    files and larger transfers do better as there is less system call 
overhead
    and more work being done on each NFS request.  This continues
    until you become network limited.

    For the Reader, the client side cache dominates, until the file size
    exceeds the cache. At that point you become network limited
    and obtain basically the same result as the writer.

>
>> The cross over is where the file size
>>    no longer fits in the client side cache. Also, you'll need
>>    to document which thing you are measuring.
>
> Actually I want to measure the whole NFS performance, for daily users 
> usage,  from client to server reponses, isn't it why I did ?

    By using a range of file sizes and tranfer sizes and plotting
    the 3D graph, you indeed represent the complete NFS performance
    of the NFS client and server.  So... single values (Bonnie, or Iozone)
    do not fully represent the entire picture. Thus, why Iozone does
    ranges instead of points :-)

    Hint: Although one can use Gnuplot, the Excel graphs show
            more detail and are much easier to interpret.

Enjoy,
Don Capps




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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[J. Bruce Fields]

On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 02:54:08PM +0100, jehan.procaccia wrote:
> Hello, I didn't received  any answer to the post below ...  anyway  ,  I 
> finally published my iozone/bonnie++/tar bench here:
> http://www.int-evry.fr/s2ia/user/procacci/Doc/NFS/nfs.html#htoc48
> 
> unfortunatly most of them are saturated by the 12.5MB (100Mb)  ethernet 
> bottle neck, and for the iozone cache suppression I couldn't find a way 
> to run corretly with the -U option (which mount/umount FS at every 
> tests) because of this error on the nfs server:
> rpc.mountd: refused mount request from arvouin.int-evry.fr for /p2v5f3 
> (/p2v5f3): illegal port 34111
> 
> I must admit  that in the logs I occationnaly get this "illegal port" 
> error , even for regular NFS clients (not only iozone testers !) .
> Is this a bug ? a mis configuration ?

It sounds like you just need to add the "insecure" export option to the
relevant export in /etc/exports.  See "man exports".

--Bruce Fields


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Re: 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph

[Iozone]

Jehan,

    In my previous email I mentioned the use of the -U option.
    This option will un-mount and re-mount the filesystem
    on the client. This will cause the client to flush, and invalidate
    it's cache.  It will not cause the server to flush, or invalidate
    it's cache. If you wish to measure the physical I/O subsystem
    on the server, then you will need to either use a file size
    that is larger than the amount of RAM on the server, (see: -s option)
    or an aggregate data set size that is larger than the amount
    of RAM on the server. ( see: -s and -t options)

Enjoy,
Don Capps

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jehan.procaccia" <jehan.procaccia@int-evry.fr>
To: "Trond Myklebust" <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
Cc: "Jeff Blaine" <jblaine@mitre.org>; <nfs@lists.sourceforge.net>; 
<capps@iozone.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [NFS] 2.4.21 NFSv3 performance graph


> OK so now I run with your recommanded options and I get Output perfs as 
> high as my network speed !! I am very surprised ! I don't think I am 
> measuring NFS perfs here but network speed :-( .
> Indeed for any couple filesize/record lenght I get wites result (see 
> sample below) around 11000Kbytes/sec -> so if I am right -> 11MB/s -> or 
> 88Mbits/s ~= my 100Mbits ethernet througput ! (less ethernet/ip overhead 
> !)
>
> here's what I did:
> $mount cobra3:/p2v5f3 /mnt/cobra3/ -o async,nfsvers=3
> [root@arvouin /mnt/cobra3/iozone/arvouin]
> $time iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1 > arvouin-cobra3-i01-a-c-e.iozone
>
> Command line used: iozone -a -c -e -i 0 -i 1
>        Output is in Kbytes/sec
> Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes.
>        Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes.
>        File stride size set to 17 * record size.
>                                                            random  random 
> bkwd
> record  stride
>              KB  reclen   write rewrite    read    reread    read   write 
> read rewrite    read   fwrite frewrite   fread  freread
>            1024       4   10529   10603   409270   408936 
> 1024       8   10571   10666   472558   533076
> ....
>            262144      64   11146   11156    11230    11225 
> 262144     128   11152   11172    11228    10948
>
> here only read/reread changes as filesize increases , anyway 400/500MB/s 
> reads is well over my 12.5 theorical ethernet througput, I suspect cache 
> intervention here, no ? although I did put -e -c  options !
>
> Any comment , advices ? what kind of result do you get for NFS writings 
> with iozone ? as high as I get ? which options I am missing ?
>
> Thanks.
> Trond Myklebust wrote:
>
>>fr den 21.01.2005 Klokka 18:09 (+0100) skreiv Jehan PROCACCIA:
>>
>>>more generaly, what tool do you recommand to bench NFS ?
>>>I tried bonnie, bonnie++ and iozone.
>>>for the latest here's the kind of command I ran (so that it doesn't takes 
>>>hours to run the test!):
>>>/opt/iozone/bin/iozone -p -s 10k -s 100k -s 1m -s 5m -s 10m -s 100m -i 
>>>  -i 1 -r 4 -r 64 -r 256 -r 512 -r 1024 -r 4096 -r8192 -r 16384 -c -U 
>>>/mnt/cobra3 -f /mnt/cobra3/iozone.nagiostux > iozone-result
>>>
>>>My problem is that my NFS server has 4Go of ram, and bench programs 
>>>always recommand to use filesize for tests higher than RAM size and even 
>>>double size of the RAM so that it is not messuring cache activities !
>>>
>>
>>For tests of reading, this is undoubtedly true. For tests of writing
>>over NFS, this may be false: see the discussions of the iozone "-c" and
>>"-e" flags below.
>>
>>Note that bonnie and bonnie++ lack the equivalent of the "-e", "-c"
>>flags, and so are indeed not good for testing wire speeds unless you use
>>very large files.
>>
>>
>>>Can you give me a sample of the iozone arguments you used ?
>>>Any other tools ?
>>>
>>
>>It depends on what I want to test 8-)
>>
>>
>>Something like "iozone -c -a" should be fine for a basic test of the
>>generic read/write code functionality.
>>Note the "-c" which *is* usually necessary under NFS since any cached
>>writes are going to be flushed to disk by the "close()" (or when the
>>process exits). This means that close() will normally end up dominating
>>your write timings for files < memory size.
>>
>>If you want to test mmap(), something like "iozone -e -B -a". I believe
>>that "-e" should normally ensure that any writes are flushed to disk
>>using the fsync() command, and that this is timed.
>>Note that if you don't care about knowing how long it takes for the
>>writes to be flushed to disk then you can drop the "-e": unlike ordinary
>>read/write, mmap() does not guarantee that writes are flushed to disk
>>after the file is closed.
>>
>>For direct IO, "iozone -I -a" suffices. Since direct IO is uncached, all
>>write operations are synchronous, so "-c" and "-e" are unnecessary.
>>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>  Trond
>>
>
> 




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