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* [Bluez-users] problems establishing connection to Cellular phone
@ 2005-03-14  2:17 Tamer Higazi
  2005-03-14 10:21 ` Marcel Holtmann
  2005-03-16  0:47 ` Fredy P.
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Tamer Higazi @ 2005-03-14  2:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bluez-users

Hi people! 
How do I make a stable connection to my cellular phone via bluetooth
without that the connection is dying. 


I make: 
hcitool cc MAC-ADDRESS 
hcitool auth MAC-ADDRESS 

then I enter the pin on the mobile phone and I receive the answer: 

HCI authentication request failed: Input/output error


Can somebody help me? 

However I get this bluez-pin installed. In which relation does it belong
to my problem? And if yes, how do I use it? 


For any help, thank you


Tamer




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* Re: [Bluez-users] problems establishing connection to Cellular phone
  2005-03-14  2:17 [Bluez-users] problems establishing connection to Cellular phone Tamer Higazi
@ 2005-03-14 10:21 ` Marcel Holtmann
  2005-03-14 12:07   ` Tamer Higazi
  2005-03-16  0:47 ` Fredy P.
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-14 10:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: BlueZ Mailing List

Hi Tamer,

> How do I make a stable connection to my cellular phone via bluetooth
> without that the connection is dying. 
> 
> 
> I make: 
> hcitool cc MAC-ADDRESS 
> hcitool auth MAC-ADDRESS 
> 
> then I enter the pin on the mobile phone and I receive the answer: 
> 
> HCI authentication request failed: Input/output error
> 
> 
> Can somebody help me? 
> 
> However I get this bluez-pin installed. In which relation does it belong
> to my problem? And if yes, how do I use it? 

you will never get a stable connection with "hcitool cc". In the case of
a mobile phone establish a RFCOMM connection. If you see problems then
check with "hcidump -X -V" as root what really happens on the device.

Regards

Marcel




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* Re: [Bluez-users] problems establishing connection to Cellular phone
  2005-03-14 10:21 ` Marcel Holtmann
@ 2005-03-14 12:07   ` Tamer Higazi
  2005-03-14 12:13     ` Marcel Holtmann
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Tamer Higazi @ 2005-03-14 12:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bluez-users

Dear Marcell, 
Thank you very much for the quick answer. I appreciate your help very
much for solving my problem (specially because I am such a newbie).
About the dbus, I installed it and get the bluez-pin package installed
successfully. 

1st) I run up the Bluetooth-stick with the command: 
hciconfig auth noscan nosecmgr noencrypt

and tried to connect to the mobile phone with the result (after entering
on the phone a PIN): 
Can't create connection: Input/output error

Before creating a connection I run the sniffer command: 
hcidump -X -V

program and received this result during the test: 

HCI sniffer - Bluetooth packet analyzer ver 1.18
device: hci0 snap_len: 1028 filter: 0xffffffff
< HCI Command: Create Connection (0x01|0x0005) plen 13
    bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94 ptype 0xcc18 rswitch 0x01 clkoffset 0x0000
    Packet type: DM1 DM3 DM5 DH1 DH3 DH5
> HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4
    Create Connection (0x01|0x0005) status 0x00 ncmd 1
> HCI Event: Link Key Request (0x17) plen 6
    bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
< HCI Command: Link Key Request Negative Reply (0x01|0x000c) plen 6
    bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> HCI Event: Command Complete (0x0e) plen 10
    Link Key Request Negative Reply (0x01|0x000c) ncmd 1
    status 0x00 bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> HCI Event: PIN Code Request (0x16) plen 6
    bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
< HCI Command: PIN Code Request Reply (0x01|0x000d) plen 23
    bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94 len 4 pin '1234'
> HCI Event: Command Complete (0x0e) plen 10
    PIN Code Request Reply (0x01|0x000d) ncmd 1
    status 0x00 bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> HCI Event: Connect Complete (0x03) plen 11
    status 0x05 handle 41 bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94 type ACL encrypt 0x00
    Error: Authentication Failure

2nd) About the mobilephone itself I can give you informations i
requested with the tool hcitool info 00:E0:03:65:64:94:

hcitool info 00:E0:03:65:64:94 
Requesting information ...
        BD Address:  00:E0:03:65:64:94
        Device Name: Yo-Tamer
        LMP Version: 1.1 (0x1) LMP Subversion: 0x382
        Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10)
        Features: 0xbf 0xfe 0x0f 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
                <3-slot packets> <5-slot packets> <encryption> <slot
offset>
                <timing accuracy> <role switch> <sniff mode> <RSSI>
                <channel quality> <SCO link> <HV2 packets> <HV3 packets>
                <u-law log> <A-law log> <CVSD> <paging scheme> <power
control>
                <transparent SCO>

On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 11:21 +0100, Marcel Holtmann wrote:
> Hi Tamer,
> 
> > How do I make a stable connection to my cellular phone via bluetooth
> > without that the connection is dying. 
> > 
> > 
> > I make: 
> > hcitool cc MAC-ADDRESS 
> > hcitool auth MAC-ADDRESS 
> > 
> > then I enter the pin on the mobile phone and I receive the answer: 
> > 
> > HCI authentication request failed: Input/output error
> > 
> > 
> > Can somebody help me? 
> > 
> > However I get this bluez-pin installed. In which relation does it belong
> > to my problem? And if yes, how do I use it? 
> 
> you will never get a stable connection with "hcitool cc". In the case of
> a mobile phone establish a RFCOMM connection. If you see problems then
> check with "hcidump -X -V" as root what really happens on the device.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Marcel
> 
> 
> 
> 
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* Re: [Bluez-users] problems establishing connection to Cellular phone
  2005-03-14 12:07   ` Tamer Higazi
@ 2005-03-14 12:13     ` Marcel Holtmann
  2005-03-14 20:40       ` Tamer Higazi
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-14 12:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: BlueZ Mailing List

Hi Tamer,

> Thank you very much for the quick answer. I appreciate your help very
> much for solving my problem (specially because I am such a newbie).
> About the dbus, I installed it and get the bluez-pin package installed
> successfully. 
> 
> 1st) I run up the Bluetooth-stick with the command: 
> hciconfig auth noscan nosecmgr noencrypt

don't do anything like this. Simply start hcid and using "auth" means
security mode 3. You don't want this.

> and tried to connect to the mobile phone with the result (after entering
> on the phone a PIN): 
> Can't create connection: Input/output error
> 
> Before creating a connection I run the sniffer command: 
> hcidump -X -V
> 
> program and received this result during the test: 
> 
> HCI sniffer - Bluetooth packet analyzer ver 1.18
> device: hci0 snap_len: 1028 filter: 0xffffffff
> < HCI Command: Create Connection (0x01|0x0005) plen 13
>     bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94 ptype 0xcc18 rswitch 0x01 clkoffset 0x0000
>     Packet type: DM1 DM3 DM5 DH1 DH3 DH5
> > HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4
>     Create Connection (0x01|0x0005) status 0x00 ncmd 1
> > HCI Event: Link Key Request (0x17) plen 6
>     bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> < HCI Command: Link Key Request Negative Reply (0x01|0x000c) plen 6
>     bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> > HCI Event: Command Complete (0x0e) plen 10
>     Link Key Request Negative Reply (0x01|0x000c) ncmd 1
>     status 0x00 bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> > HCI Event: PIN Code Request (0x16) plen 6
>     bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> < HCI Command: PIN Code Request Reply (0x01|0x000d) plen 23
>     bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94 len 4 pin '1234'
> > HCI Event: Command Complete (0x0e) plen 10
>     PIN Code Request Reply (0x01|0x000d) ncmd 1
>     status 0x00 bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> > HCI Event: Connect Complete (0x03) plen 11
>     status 0x05 handle 41 bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94 type ACL encrypt 0x00
>     Error: Authentication Failure

The PIN code you supply is "1234". You must enter the same on your
phone.

> 2nd) About the mobilephone itself I can give you informations i
> requested with the tool hcitool info 00:E0:03:65:64:94:
> 
> hcitool info 00:E0:03:65:64:94 
> Requesting information ...
>         BD Address:  00:E0:03:65:64:94
>         Device Name: Yo-Tamer
>         LMP Version: 1.1 (0x1) LMP Subversion: 0x382
>         Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10)
>         Features: 0xbf 0xfe 0x0f 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
>                 <3-slot packets> <5-slot packets> <encryption> <slot
> offset>
>                 <timing accuracy> <role switch> <sniff mode> <RSSI>
>                 <channel quality> <SCO link> <HV2 packets> <HV3 packets>
>                 <u-law log> <A-law log> <CVSD> <paging scheme> <power
> control>
>                 <transparent SCO>

What kind of phone is this?

Regards

Marcel




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* Re: [Bluez-users] problems establishing connection to Cellular phone
  2005-03-14 12:13     ` Marcel Holtmann
@ 2005-03-14 20:40       ` Tamer Higazi
  2005-03-14 20:59         ` Marcel Holtmann
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Tamer Higazi @ 2005-03-14 20:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bluez-users

Dear Marcel, 
Thank you for your answer. I am still not able to connect to the
phone :( Perhaps I made something wrong. I just started hciconfig and
then hcid. Nothing happened. sorry Sir, I am really a novice. If you
could explain me more detailled what I have to do, I would thank you.
About the mobile phone.... It is a Nokia 6670

With best regards

Tamer Higazi

On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 13:13 +0100, Marcel Holtmann wrote:
> Hi Tamer,
> 
> > Thank you very much for the quick answer. I appreciate your help very
> > much for solving my problem (specially because I am such a newbie).
> > About the dbus, I installed it and get the bluez-pin package installed
> > successfully. 
> > 
> > 1st) I run up the Bluetooth-stick with the command: 
> > hciconfig auth noscan nosecmgr noencrypt
> 
> don't do anything like this. Simply start hcid and using "auth" means
> security mode 3. You don't want this.
> 
> > and tried to connect to the mobile phone with the result (after entering
> > on the phone a PIN): 
> > Can't create connection: Input/output error
> > 
> > Before creating a connection I run the sniffer command: 
> > hcidump -X -V
> > 
> > program and received this result during the test: 
> > 
> > HCI sniffer - Bluetooth packet analyzer ver 1.18
> > device: hci0 snap_len: 1028 filter: 0xffffffff
> > < HCI Command: Create Connection (0x01|0x0005) plen 13
> >     bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94 ptype 0xcc18 rswitch 0x01 clkoffset 0x0000
> >     Packet type: DM1 DM3 DM5 DH1 DH3 DH5
> > > HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4
> >     Create Connection (0x01|0x0005) status 0x00 ncmd 1
> > > HCI Event: Link Key Request (0x17) plen 6
> >     bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> > < HCI Command: Link Key Request Negative Reply (0x01|0x000c) plen 6
> >     bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> > > HCI Event: Command Complete (0x0e) plen 10
> >     Link Key Request Negative Reply (0x01|0x000c) ncmd 1
> >     status 0x00 bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> > > HCI Event: PIN Code Request (0x16) plen 6
> >     bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> > < HCI Command: PIN Code Request Reply (0x01|0x000d) plen 23
> >     bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94 len 4 pin '1234'
> > > HCI Event: Command Complete (0x0e) plen 10
> >     PIN Code Request Reply (0x01|0x000d) ncmd 1
> >     status 0x00 bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94
> > > HCI Event: Connect Complete (0x03) plen 11
> >     status 0x05 handle 41 bdaddr 00:E0:03:65:64:94 type ACL encrypt 0x00
> >     Error: Authentication Failure
> 
> The PIN code you supply is "1234". You must enter the same on your
> phone.
> 
> > 2nd) About the mobilephone itself I can give you informations i
> > requested with the tool hcitool info 00:E0:03:65:64:94:
> > 
> > hcitool info 00:E0:03:65:64:94 
> > Requesting information ...
> >         BD Address:  00:E0:03:65:64:94
> >         Device Name: Yo-Tamer
> >         LMP Version: 1.1 (0x1) LMP Subversion: 0x382
> >         Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10)
> >         Features: 0xbf 0xfe 0x0f 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
> >                 <3-slot packets> <5-slot packets> <encryption> <slot
> > offset>
> >                 <timing accuracy> <role switch> <sniff mode> <RSSI>
> >                 <channel quality> <SCO link> <HV2 packets> <HV3 packets>
> >                 <u-law log> <A-law log> <CVSD> <paging scheme> <power
> > control>
> >                 <transparent SCO>
> 
> What kind of phone is this?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Marcel
> 
> 
> 
> 
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* Re: [Bluez-users] problems establishing connection to Cellular phone
  2005-03-14 20:40       ` Tamer Higazi
@ 2005-03-14 20:59         ` Marcel Holtmann
  2005-03-25  8:01           ` Tamer Higazi
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-14 20:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: BlueZ Mailing List

Hi Tamer,

> Thank you for your answer. I am still not able to connect to the
> phone :( Perhaps I made something wrong. I just started hciconfig and
> then hcid. Nothing happened. sorry Sir, I am really a novice. If you
> could explain me more detailled what I have to do, I would thank you.
> About the mobile phone.... It is a Nokia 6670

using "rfcomm connect 0 <bdaddr> 1" would be a good idea.

Regards

Marcel




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* Re: [Bluez-users] problems establishing connection to Cellular phone
  2005-03-14  2:17 [Bluez-users] problems establishing connection to Cellular phone Tamer Higazi
  2005-03-14 10:21 ` Marcel Holtmann
@ 2005-03-16  0:47 ` Fredy P.
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Fredy P. @ 2005-03-16  0:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bluez-users

Tamer Higazi escribi=F3:
> Hi people!=20
> How do I make a stable connection to my cellular phone via bluetooth
> without that the connection is dying.=20
>=20
>=20
> I make:=20
> hcitool cc MAC-ADDRESS=20
> hcitool auth MAC-ADDRESS=20
>=20
> then I enter the pin on the mobile phone and I receive the answer:=20
>=20
> HCI authentication request failed: Input/output error
>=20
>=20
> Can somebody help me?=20
>=20
> However I get this bluez-pin installed. In which relation does it belon=
g
> to my problem? And if yes, how do I use it?=20
>=20
>=20
> For any help, thank you
>=20
>=20
> Tamer
>=20
>=20
compare your /etc/bluetooth/hci.conf whit it:

options {
         autoinit yes;

         security auto;

         pairing multi;

         pin_helper /usr/bin/bluez-pin;

}

device {
         name "%h-%d";

         class 0x100;


         iscan enable;
         pscan enable;

         lm accept;    #################for can add pc in movil from movi=
l

         lp rswitch,hold,sniff,park;
         # Authentication and Encryption
         #auth enable;
         #encrypt enable;           ######################disable encrypt=
ion


}

>=20
>=20
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users
>=20


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* Re: [Bluez-users] problems establishing connection to Cellular phone
  2005-03-14 20:59         ` Marcel Holtmann
@ 2005-03-25  8:01           ` Tamer Higazi
  2005-03-25 11:45             ` Marcel Holtmann
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Tamer Higazi @ 2005-03-25  8:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bluez-users

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Dear Marcell and all others in this mailing list! 
I want you to thank very much for your support and help you regarded me
making a bluetooth connection to my device. However, I am asking myself
why I can establish only as the user "root" a stable bluetooth
connection. For me, with a usual useraccount would be more interisted to
establish connections. 

For further help, thank you

Tamer

On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 21:59 +0100, Marcel Holtmann wrote:

> Hi Tamer,
> 
> > Thank you for your answer. I am still not able to connect to the
> > phone :( Perhaps I made something wrong. I just started hciconfig and
> > then hcid. Nothing happened. sorry Sir, I am really a novice. If you
> > could explain me more detailled what I have to do, I would thank you.
> > About the mobile phone.... It is a Nokia 6670
> 
> using "rfcomm connect 0 <bdaddr> 1" would be a good idea.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Marcel
> 
> 
> 
> 
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* Re: [Bluez-users] problems establishing connection to Cellular phone
  2005-03-25  8:01           ` Tamer Higazi
@ 2005-03-25 11:45             ` Marcel Holtmann
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-25 11:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: BlueZ Mailing List

Hi Tamer,

> I want you to thank very much for your support and help you regarded
> me making a bluetooth connection to my device. However, I am asking
> myself why I can establish only as the user "root" a stable bluetooth
> connection. For me, with a usual useraccount would be more interisted
> to establish connections. 

you can establish L2CAP and RFCOMM socket connections as normal user.

Regards

Marcel




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