[parisc-linux] Debian sarge netinstall hangs after first boot on b132l

[parisc-linux] Debian sarge netinstall hangs after first boot on b132l

[Dirk Van Hertem]

Hello,

I got an hp b132l to play with :) and decided to put debian sarge on it, 
downloaded the latest netinstall cd from the web (debian site) and 
installed using serial console.

The install went ok, after making the initial ramdisk larger (64k 
instead of 16), and gave no errors, but after the copying of the files 
and doing the first reboot. My system hung. I wasn't able to do anything 
(even the power button didn't work).

The last message on my console was the following:

HP SDC: Spunking the self test register to force PUP on next firmware
reset. HP SDC MLC: Registering the System Domain Controller's HIL MLC.

Which is strange because there is no HIL stuff in this machine (this has 
something to do with the keyboard if I'm correct, but the b132l uses 
ps/2 interfaces for mouse and keyboard).

Another strange thing was that the kernel that was chosen during install 
was a smp kernel? (2.6.8...smp something, I didn't pay real attention at 
that time)

When I posted a message concerning this issue on a belgian linux 
newsgroup, there was someone who said he had experienced the same thing, 
and resolved this by booting from a gentoo cd and installing the latest 
kernel. Probably I'll attempt the same thing later on but I wanted to 
ask if there are other options or if I made some mistake?

Greetings,

Dirk

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RE: [parisc-linux] Debian sarge netinstall hangs after first boot on b132l

[Joel Soete]

Hello Dirk,

> 
> Hello,
> 
> I got an hp b132l to play with :) and decided to put debian sarge on it=
,
> 
> downloaded the latest netinstall cd from the web (debian site) and 
> installed using serial console.
> 
Just being curious: didn't you try from sti (i.e. builtin graphical inter=
face)?

> The install went ok, after making the initial ramdisk larger (64k 
> instead of 16), and gave no errors, but after the copying of the files

> and doing the first reboot. My system hung. I wasn't able to do anythin=
g
> 
Good to know

> (even the power button didn't work).
> 
> The last message on my console was the following:
> 
> HP SDC: Spunking the self test register to force PUP on next firmware
> reset. HP SDC MLC: Registering the System Domain Controller's HIL MLC.
> 
Yes there are a lot of report on p-l and debian-hppa ml on this subject :=
_(

> Which is strange because there is no HIL stuff in this machine (this ha=
s
> something to do with the keyboard if I'm correct, but the b132l uses 
> ps/2 interfaces for mouse and keyboard).
> 
Yes but afaik the interface exist on this model (see a hpux ioscan) as we=
ll
as on B160L (but not on B180 or B132L+) and it tried to initialize.

> Another strange thing was that the kernel that was chosen during instal=
l
> was a smp kernel? (2.6.8...smp something, I didn't pay real attention a=
t
> that time)
> 
Yes very strange (but I have no clue about debian installer details :-( )=


> When I posted a message concerning this issue on a belgian linux 
> newsgroup, there was someone who said he had experienced the same thing=
,
> and resolved this by booting from a gentoo cd and installing the latest=


> kernel. Probably I'll attempt the same thing later on but I wanted to 
> ask if there are other options or if I made some mistake?
> 
Apparently no mistake :-)

What you coud do also, as the install-cd works fine, is to reboot from th=
is
cd and look for a sub-menu to enter into a shell script.

Here you can setup your nic (to access the web if possible) and mainly mo=
unt
your boot disk.
(e.g. # mkdir /mnt/MyBoot ; mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/MyBoot ; mount /dev/sda6=

/mnt/MyBoot/var;...
according to your slicing: sda5 would be replace by your own root partiti=
on
sda6 your var if there is one, ...)

Then you can chroot to this mount point (e.g. chroot /mnt/MyBoot )
You would then be able to grab one of prebuild kernel e.g. from:
<http://cvs.parisc-linux.org/download/linux-2.6/> (I would recommended th=
e
one for b180 for your b132l)

following instructions at the top of this page :-)

To be sure umount your boot disk and try to reboot.

That should work.

Hth,
    Joel

PS: Don't hesitate to ask if you need more details


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[parisc-linux] A bit curious about...

["José Miguel Morales F."]

Hello...	Yes, I'm a bit curious about the link:

	http://cvs.parisc-linux.org/download/linux-2.6

-) The "32" column kernels... Have *FULL* HIL support built?

-) For an HP 9000 series 735... Can I gain something adicional (H/W support, 
performance, etc.) using a 2.6 kernel instead of good'ol 2.4?

					T.I.A...		JMMF.

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Re: [parisc-linux] Debian sarge netinstall hangs after first boot on b132l

[Kurt Fitzner]

Joel Soete wrote:

>>I got an hp b132l to play with :) and decided to put debian sarge on it,
>>downloaded the latest netinstall cd from the web (debian site) and 
>>installed using serial console.
> 
> Just being curious: didn't you try from sti (i.e. builtin graphical interface)?

Booting with the graphic console on a B132L is difficult.  I just wrote
about this in my post to the mailing list titled "Infinite error message
 from SDC driver on install".

If you want to use the graphic console on a B132L, I found that if you
manipulate the mouse continually (a nice even circular motion), that you
are far less likely to get that infinite loop of SDC error messages.  I
believe that this is dur to the same reason why installing with a serial
console works (extra overhead of the mouse/serial interrupts allows the
SDC driver a chance to time out).  Once you get the error message:
  "HP SDC: read timeout (999999ms)"
you are safe to stop moving the mouse.

>>The install went ok, after making the initial ramdisk larger (64k 
>>instead of 16), and gave no errors, but after the copying of the files
>>and doing the first reboot. My system hung. I wasn't able to do anything

The SMP kernels hang on a B132L.  You need to install a non-smp one.  In
order to do this, you have to tell the installer not to make so many
default decisions on its own.

To do this, hit ESC when you are first asked about what language you
want.  You'll then be in the main installer menu.  Cursor down to the
entry "Change debconf priority".  Set it to "low".  After that, you will
have to select each stage in the installation process manually, and you
will be asked more questions at each stage, but you should be able to
install a non-smp kernel now (it will ask you which kernel to install).

However, after the install, you still aren't out of the water yet.  The
problem is the infinite SDC error will still be a problem because all
the 32 bit kernels have the SDC and HIL drivers built in.  When you
reboot your machine, you will need to do the mouse trick to get past the
SDC errors.  Once your machine is booted up and you go through the
secondary debian install process, you will need to download and compile
your own kernel.  There is a good tutorial on this online for newbies
(like I was) to Debian at:
http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html

Debian has some silliness with using an initrd ramdisk at boot time and
making EVERYTHING into a module.  I didn't do this with my kernel.  I
put the scsi drivers right into the kernel.  You end up getting some
error messages at boot time from discover and hotplug (why Debian
installs and uses BOTH, I have no idea) because they both try and load
the scsi modules and there aren't any.  I ended up removing discover and
configuring hotplug to ignore the SCSI subsystem (let me know if you
want more info on that).

I'd be very happy to offer you the debian package I compiled for my
B132L.  It's made of the most recent 2.6.12-pa2 kernel source.

Hope this helps,

	Kurt (another B132L owner)


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Re: [parisc-linux] Debian sarge netinstall hangs after first boot on b132l

[Dirk Van Hertem]

Hello Kurt,

I didn't read this message before sending mine :), and sorry for sending
 this message first to you directly (this is a strange setting of the
mailing list?)

Kurt Fitzner wrote:

>Joel Soete wrote:
>
>>>I got an hp b132l to play with :) and decided to put debian sarge on it,
>>>downloaded the latest netinstall cd from the web (debian site) and 
>>>installed using serial console.
>>>      
>>Just being curious: didn't you try from sti (i.e. builtin graphical interface)?
>
>Booting with the graphic console on a B132L is difficult.  I just wrote
>about this in my post to the mailing list titled "Infinite error message
> from SDC driver on install".
>
>If you want to use the graphic console on a B132L, I found that if you
>manipulate the mouse continually (a nice even circular motion), that you
>are far less likely to get that infinite loop of SDC error messages.  I
>believe that this is dur to the same reason why installing with a serial
>console works (extra overhead of the mouse/serial interrupts allows the
>SDC driver a chance to time out).  Once you get the error message:
>  "HP SDC: read timeout (999999ms)"
>you are safe to stop moving the mouse.
>
so I'm glad I don't have such a screen :-)

>>>The install went ok, after making the initial ramdisk larger (64k 
>>>instead of 16), and gave no errors, but after the copying of the files
>>>and doing the first reboot. My system hung. I wasn't able to do anything
>
>The SMP kernels hang on a B132L.  You need to install a non-smp one.  In
>order to do this, you have to tell the installer not to make so many
>default decisions on its own.
>
>To do this, hit ESC when you are first asked about what language you
>want.  You'll then be in the main installer menu.  Cursor down to the
>entry "Change debconf priority".  Set it to "low".  After that, you will
>have to select each stage in the installation process manually, and you
>will be asked more questions at each stage, but you should be able to
>install a non-smp kernel now (it will ask you which kernel to install).
>
ok, this method seems a bit more "according to the book" than the one i used

>However, after the install, you still aren't out of the water yet.  The
>problem is the infinite SDC error will still be a problem because all
>the 32 bit kernels have the SDC and HIL drivers built in.  When you
>reboot your machine, you will need to do the mouse trick to get past the
>SDC errors.  
>
Indeed, i get some errors, but without doing anything (there was no
mouse available) it booted, and i was already quite pleased and just
ignored them for the time being :).

>Once your machine is booted up and you go through the
>secondary debian install process, you will need to download and compile
>your own kernel.  There is a good tutorial on this online for newbies
>(like I was) to Debian at:
>http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html
>  
>Debian has some silliness with using an initrd ramdisk at boot time and
>making EVERYTHING into a module.  I didn't do this with my kernel.  I
>put the scsi drivers right into the kernel.  You end up getting some
>error messages at boot time from discover and hotplug (why Debian
>installs and uses BOTH, I have no idea) because they both try and load
>the scsi modules and there aren't any.  I ended up removing discover and
>configuring hotplug to ignore the SCSI subsystem (let me know if you
>want more info on that).
>
>I'd be very happy to offer you the debian package I compiled for my
>B132L.  It's made of the most recent 2.6.12-pa2 kernel source.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>	Kurt (another B132L owner)
>
I would be happy to use that package (or if the file is to big and you'd
send me the .config file so that i would be able to compile it myself)

Thanks,

Dirk


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Re: [parisc-linux] Debian sarge netinstall hangs after first boot on b132l

[Dirk Van Hertem]

Joel Soete wrote:

>Hello Dirk,
>  
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I got an hp b132l to play with :) and decided to put debian sarge on it,
>>
>>downloaded the latest netinstall cd from the web (debian site) and 
>>installed using serial console.
>>
>>    
>>
>Just being curious: didn't you try from sti (i.e. builtin graphical interface)?
>
>  
>
I don't have a screen, so I made a terminal out of my old P1 Linux machine

>>The install went ok, after making the initial ramdisk larger (64k 
>>instead of 16), and gave no errors, but after the copying of the files
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>and doing the first reboot. My system hung. I wasn't able to do anything
>>
>>    
>>
>Good to know
>
>  
>
>>(even the power button didn't work).
>>
>>The last message on my console was the following:
>>
>>HP SDC: Spunking the self test register to force PUP on next firmware
>>reset. HP SDC MLC: Registering the System Domain Controller's HIL MLC.
>>
>>    
>>
>Yes there are a lot of report on p-l and debian-hppa ml on this subject :_(
>
>  
>
sorry, i didn't see these messages, I thought that I did a thorough
google search though :(

>>Which is strange because there is no HIL stuff in this machine (this has
>>something to do with the keyboard if I'm correct, but the b132l uses 
>>ps/2 interfaces for mouse and keyboard).
>>
>>    
>>
>Yes but afaik the interface exist on this model (see a hpux ioscan) as well
>as on B160L (but not on B180 or B132L+) and it tried to initialize.
>  
>
>>Another strange thing was that the kernel that was chosen during install
>>was a smp kernel? (2.6.8...smp something, I didn't pay real attention at
>>that time)
>>
>>    
>>
>Yes very strange (but I have no clue about debian installer details :-( )
>  
>
I also have no clue about the debian installer :), but I more or less
tried the method you suggested below (opening a shell) and instead of
downloading a new kernel from the internet, I used an alternative one on
the cdrom disk (the one without smp, since the installed one was
definately the smp version from the cd). Afterwards the pc booted nice.
So the problem is definitely that the netinstall cdrom chooses a wrong
kernel for this machine.

The method I used for people having the same problem (it is a rough list
of things I did, but i guess it will be more than sufficient for most
people owning a hppa ;)).

I booted from cdrom with option ramdisk (don't know if this makes a
difference), with a ramsize of 65536
in the installation i chose the shell (you need to select <<Go Back>>
once or twice in the netinstall boot loader in order to go to the main menu)
look where the kernels are on the cdrom (which is mounted in /cdrom)
This was somewhere like /cdrom/pool/main/k/kernel..../
mkdir /mnt
mount your scsi on mnt: since there where no /dev/sdaX available, this
was for me doing something like:
mount /dev/scsi/..something../..something../target2
cp kernel_from_cdrom_location /mnt
cd /mnt
chroot .
dpkg -i kernel_filename.deb
palo
reboot

>What you coud do also, as the install-cd works fine, is to reboot from this
>cd and look for a sub-menu to enter into a shell script.
>
>Here you can setup your nic (to access the web if possible) and mainly mount
>your boot disk.
>(e.g. # mkdir /mnt/MyBoot ; mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/MyBoot ; mount /dev/sda6
>/mnt/MyBoot/var;...
>according to your slicing: sda5 would be replace by your own root partition
>sda6 your var if there is one, ...)
>
>Then you can chroot to this mount point (e.g. chroot /mnt/MyBoot )
>You would then be able to grab one of prebuild kernel e.g. from:
><http://cvs.parisc-linux.org/download/linux-2.6/> (I would recommended the
>one for b180 for your b132l)
>
>following instructions at the top of this page :-)
>
>To be sure umount your boot disk and try to reboot.
>
>That should work.
>  
>
And it did, thanks for the help

Dirk

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