Testimonials page

Testimonials page

[PFC]

	Just a word about the testimonials page on the namesys.com site :

	The LivingXML.net link points to a domain that doesn't exist...

	You can use my testimonial if you like :
	"Since I've switched my laptop to reiser4, its crummy slow IDE drive  
feels like it's got a rocket booster attached to its ass. Everyday  
operations are blazing. And making a complete backup (450.000 files, 1.5G  
gzipped) of everything that is worth backing up takes about 8 minutes.  
Mind you this includes the time tar / | gzip -1 | ssh over the network and  
save the backup on another machine. Simply amazing."

Re: Testimonials page

[David Masover]

PFC wrote:

> Everyday  operations are blazing. And making a complete backup (450.000 
> files, 1.5G  gzipped) of everything that is worth backing up takes about

450 files?

You may want to officially correct that to 450,000 before anyone puts it 
on the testimonial page...


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Re: Testimonials page

[PFC]

>> Everyday  operations are blazing. And making a complete backup (450.000  
>> files, 1.5G  gzipped) of everything that is worth backing up takes about
>
> 450 files?
>
> You may want to officially correct that to 450,000 before anyone puts it  
> on the testimonial page...

	Huh ? isn't this what I wrote ?

Re: Testimonials page

[David Masover]

PFC wrote:
> 
>>> Everyday  operations are blazing. And making a complete backup 
>>> (450.000  files, 1.5G  gzipped) of everything that is worth backing 
>>> up takes about
>>
>>
>> 450 files?
>>
>> You may want to officially correct that to 450,000 before anyone puts 
>> it  on the testimonial page...
> 
> 
>     Huh ? isn't this what I wrote ?

450.000 = 450.0 = 450 = 4.5*10^2
450,000 = 4.5*10^5

4.5*10^5 > 4.5*10^2

Or, in other words, you meant to put a comma, but instead you put a 
period, which is usually a decimal point.

Re: Testimonials page

[Hubert Chan]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:11:02 -0500, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> said:

> 450.000 = 450.0 = 450 = 4.5*10^2
> 450,000 = 4.5*10^5

> 4.5*10^5 > 4.5*10^2

> Or, in other words, you meant to put a comma, but instead you put a
> period, which is usually a decimal point.

It's a localization issue.  Some locales use comma as the thousands
separator, while some use a period.  (And vice versa for the decimal
point.)

In particular, in French, period is for the thousands separator, and
comma is the decimal point.

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Re: Testimonials page

[Jeffrey Mahoney]

David Masover wrote:
> PFC wrote:
> 
>>
>>>> Everyday  operations are blazing. And making a complete backup
>>>> (450.000  files, 1.5G  gzipped) of everything that is worth backing
>>>> up takes about
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 450 files?
>>>
>>> You may want to officially correct that to 450,000 before anyone puts
>>> it  on the testimonial page...
>>
>>
>>
>>     Huh ? isn't this what I wrote ?
> 
> 
> 450.000 = 450.0 = 450 = 4.5*10^2
> 450,000 = 4.5*10^5
> 
> 4.5*10^5 > 4.5*10^2
> 
> Or, in other words, you meant to put a comma, but instead you put a
> period, which is usually a decimal point.
> 
> 

David -

The comma as a thousands separator is locale-specific. Most of Europe
(and elsewhere?) use the period instead.

-Jeff

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Re: Testimonials page

[Christian Iversen]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 21:47, Hubert Chan wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:11:02 -0500, David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com> said:
> > 450.000 = 450.0 = 450 = 4.5*10^2
> > 450,000 = 4.5*10^5
> >
> > 4.5*10^5 > 4.5*10^2
> >
> > Or, in other words, you meant to put a comma, but instead you put a
> > period, which is usually a decimal point.
>
> It's a localization issue.  Some locales use comma as the thousands
> separator, while some use a period.  (And vice versa for the decimal
> point.)
>
> In particular, in French, period is for the thousands separator, and
> comma is the decimal point.

AFAIK it's the same in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, The Netherlands, and 
in fact most of Europe. 

-- 
Regards,
Christian Iversen

Re: Testimonials page

[Hubert Chan]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:22:32 +0200, Christian Iversen <chrivers@iversen-net.dk> said:

>> In particular, in French, period is for the thousands separator, and
>> comma is the decimal point.

> AFAIK it's the same in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, The
> Netherlands, and in fact most of Europe.

I'm wondering if it's based mostly on region or language.  For example,
I know that for the English-speaking portion of North America, we use
comma for the thousands separator.  But for the French-speaking
population (e.g. Quebec), or when writing in French, comma is the
decimal separator.

Do Swedes, Norwegians, etc. use period as the thousands separator even
when writing in English?

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Re: Testimonials page

[Ed Tomlinson]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 13:00, David Masover wrote:
> PFC wrote:
> 
> > Everyday  operations are blazing. And making a complete backup (450.000 
> > files, 1.5G  gzipped) of everything that is worth backing up takes about
> 
> 450 files?
> 
> You may want to officially correct that to 450,000 before anyone puts it 
> on the testimonial page...

Metric often uses "." as thousands indicator...  Its what the kids are told to 
use here in Quebec.

Ed Tomlinson

Re: Testimonials page

[David Masover]

Ed Tomlinson wrote:
> On Sunday 17 July 2005 13:00, David Masover wrote:
> 
>>PFC wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Everyday  operations are blazing. And making a complete backup (450.000 
>>>files, 1.5G  gzipped) of everything that is worth backing up takes about
>>
>>450 files?
>>
>>You may want to officially correct that to 450,000 before anyone puts it 
>>on the testimonial page...
> 
> 
> Metric often uses "." as thousands indicator...  Its what the kids are told to 
> use here in Quebec.

Ah, that explains it.  Just as everyone else had.

I'm sorry I brought it up!  Can we let this thread die?


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Re: Testimonials page

[Christian Iversen]

On Monday 18 July 2005 00:18, Hubert Chan wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:22:32 +0200, Christian Iversen 
<chrivers@iversen-net.dk> said:
> >> In particular, in French, period is for the thousands separator, and
> >> comma is the decimal point.
> >
> > AFAIK it's the same in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, The
> > Netherlands, and in fact most of Europe.
>
> I'm wondering if it's based mostly on region or language.  For example,
> I know that for the English-speaking portion of North America, we use
> comma for the thousands separator.  But for the French-speaking
> population (e.g. Quebec), or when writing in French, comma is the
> decimal separator.
>
> Do Swedes, Norwegians, etc. use period as the thousands separator even
> when writing in English?

No, that wouldn't make sense :-)

I think it's true that it's language-based. 

To make matters worse though, I've seen some exams with a mixed danish/english 
contents use both within a few lines of text. And on top of that, it's 
sometimes reversed because "," is used as a logical seperator in many 
programming langauges.

But it's probably safe to say that outside of physics (and even there it would 
be odd), 123.456 is "1 dot 23456 * 10^5"

-- 
Regards,
Christian Iversen

Re: Testimonials page

[PFC]

If I did say I backed up 0x6ddd0 files in 8 minutes would he be happy ?
Most off topic thread of the year award.

> But it's probably safe to say that outside of physics (and even there it  
> would
> be odd), 123.456 is "1 dot 23456 * 10^5"
>

Re: Testimonials page

[Kris Van Bruwaene]

There actually is an International Standard on this (ISO-31-0), have a look at:
http://www.answers.com/topic/iso-31
which states:
    * Numbers consisting of long sequences of digits can be made more readable by separating them into groups, preferably groups of three, separated by a small space. ISO 31-0 specifies that such groups of digits should never be separated by a comma or point, as these are reserved for use as the decimal sign.

    * ISO 31-0 specifies that the decimal sign is the comma on the baseline, but recognizes that in English documents a dot on the line is also commonly used.

Christian Iversen <chrivers@iversen-net.dk> wrote:

> On Monday 18 July 2005 00:18, Hubert Chan wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:22:32 +0200, Christian Iversen 
> <chrivers@iversen-net.dk> said:
> > >> In particular, in French, period is for the thousands separator, and
> > >> comma is the decimal point.
> > >
> > > AFAIK it's the same in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, The
> > > Netherlands, and in fact most of Europe.
> >
> > I'm wondering if it's based mostly on region or language.  For example,
> > I know that for the English-speaking portion of North America, we use
> > comma for the thousands separator.  But for the French-speaking
> > population (e.g. Quebec), or when writing in French, comma is the
> > decimal separator.
> >
> > Do Swedes, Norwegians, etc. use period as the thousands separator even
> > when writing in English?
> 
> No, that wouldn't make sense :-)
> 
> I think it's true that it's language-based. 
> 
> To make matters worse though, I've seen some exams with a mixed danish/english 
> contents use both within a few lines of text. And on top of that, it's 
> sometimes reversed because "," is used as a logical seperator in many 
> programming langauges.
> 
> But it's probably safe to say that outside of physics (and even there it would 
> be odd), 123.456 is "1 dot 23456 * 10^5"
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Christian Iversen

Regards
Kris Van Bruwaene
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Re: Testimonials page

[Hans Reiser]

Kris Van Bruwaene wrote:

>There actually is an International Standard on this (ISO-31-0), have a look at:
>http://www.answers.com/topic/iso-31
>which states:
>    * Numbers consisting of long sequences of digits can be made more readable by separating them into groups, preferably groups of three, separated by a small space. ISO 31-0 specifies that such groups of digits should never be separated by a comma or point, as these are reserved for use as the decimal sign.
>
>    * ISO 31-0 specifies that the decimal sign is the comma on the baseline, but recognizes that in English documents a dot on the line is also commonly used.
>
>  
>
The french have long controlled the ISO standards process.

In this case, it is probably a good standard though.  Spaces work for my
mind....

Re: Testimonials page

[LiFe]

Could you close this thread already??? Get back on topic??? Like arguing how 
files as directories breaks a program written in 1879 by H G Wells, and that 
it's too political to fix the line of code (which, incidently, says 'Hello 
World') and we just _can't_ (and I can't stress it enough) merge ReiserFS 
because this is a _crucial_ application used to measure the tensile strength 
of Peni (and yes, roaming in groups they're Meece).

Oh, if you're 15 years or younger, don't read the last sentence.

LiFers.
P.S. Seeing as I'm only halfway through reading " reiser4 plugins" I may be 
a little out of date. But I'm telling you, it aint broke, and I can't see 
any use for being in date, so I'm not going to update, and no I WILL NOT 
MERGE! Anyway, there is no use for being up to date so what's the point? I 
mean I can't see any use, so obviously it is completely and utterly useless 
from all points of view.

P.P.S Sarcasm is just one more free service I offer.

P.P.P.S Bitching is the other.

P.P.P.P.S Incidently, if you feed the 'Hello World' program human blood, it 
unlocks an artificial intelligence that takes over the world through 
computers.



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From: "Hans Reiser" <reiser@namesys.com>
To: <Kris.VanBruwaene@vrt.be>
Cc: <reiserfs-list@namesys.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Testimonials page


> Kris Van Bruwaene wrote:
>
>>There actually is an International Standard on this (ISO-31-0), have a 
>>look at:
>>http://www.answers.com/topic/iso-31
>>which states:
>>    * Numbers consisting of long sequences of digits can be made more 
>> readable by separating them into groups, preferably groups of three, 
>> separated by a small space. ISO 31-0 specifies that such groups of digits 
>> should never be separated by a comma or point, as these are reserved for 
>> use as the decimal sign.
>>
>>    * ISO 31-0 specifies that the decimal sign is the comma on the 
>> baseline, but recognizes that in English documents a dot on the line is 
>> also commonly used.
>>
>>
>>
> The french have long controlled the ISO standards process.
>
> In this case, it is probably a good standard though.  Spaces work for my
> mind.... 

Re: Testimonials page

[Hans Reiser]

LiFe wrote:

> Could you close this thread already???

Ok, I concede to the force of your argument...... ;-)

Hans