* Re: [LARTC] Loadbalancing and failover using TC and Iptables
2005-08-08 5:43 [LARTC] Loadbalancing and failover using TC and Iptables hareram
@ 2005-08-08 13:46 ` gypsy
2005-08-08 17:26 ` hareram
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From: gypsy @ 2005-08-08 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: lartc
hareram wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> iam trying to deploy loadbalance and failover
>
> My setup description
> --Fedora Core 4
> --Linux 2.6.12.3 #1 SMP Mon Jul 25 22:37:34 IST 2005 i686 i686 i386
> GNU/Linux
> --tc utility, iproute2-ss050314
> --ip utility, iproute2-ss050314
> --iptables v1.3.0
You say nothing about Julian's patch, so I assume you did not patch your
kernel. You must do that.
http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/
http://www.geocities.com/mctiew/ffw/dual.htm
I'm not sure this is still a good link
http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
so here is an old copy
http://yesican.chsoft.biz/lartc/MultihomedLinuxNetworking.html
--
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2005-08-08 5:43 [LARTC] Loadbalancing and failover using TC and Iptables hareram
2005-08-08 13:46 ` gypsy
@ 2005-08-08 17:26 ` hareram
2005-08-08 17:35 ` :: L i n u XK i D ::
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From: hareram @ 2005-08-08 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: lartc
Hi
sorry i was not mentioned that
yes i did with the patch patch-2.6.12-ja1.diff
yes iam also seen the document of Dual
and try to see how can make that kind of setup
any help will be apprciate
hare
----- Original Message -----
From: "gypsy" <gypsy@iswest.com>
To: <lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl>
Cc: "hareram" <hareram@sol.net.in>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [LARTC] Loadbalancing and failover using TC and Iptables
> hareram wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> iam trying to deploy loadbalance and failover
>>
>> My setup description
>> --Fedora Core 4
>> --Linux 2.6.12.3 #1 SMP Mon Jul 25 22:37:34 IST 2005 i686 i686 i386
>> GNU/Linux
>> --tc utility, iproute2-ss050314
>> --ip utility, iproute2-ss050314
>> --iptables v1.3.0
>
> You say nothing about Julian's patch, so I assume you did not patch your
> kernel. You must do that.
> http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/
>
> http://www.geocities.com/mctiew/ffw/dual.htm
>
> I'm not sure this is still a good link
> http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
> so here is an old copy
> http://yesican.chsoft.biz/lartc/MultihomedLinuxNetworking.html
> --
> gypsy
>
>
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread* RE: [LARTC] Loadbalancing and failover using TC and Iptables
2005-08-08 5:43 [LARTC] Loadbalancing and failover using TC and Iptables hareram
2005-08-08 13:46 ` gypsy
2005-08-08 17:26 ` hareram
@ 2005-08-08 17:35 ` :: L i n u XK i D ::
2005-08-08 17:59 ` hareram
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From: :: L i n u XK i D :: @ 2005-08-08 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: lartc
I've read next link:
-> I'm not sure this is still a good link
-> http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
is really neccessary mark pakets on this way ?
[... snip ...]
# iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j MARK --set-mark 1 \
-m state --state NEW -o ppp0
# iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j MARK --set-mark 2 \
-m state --state NEW -o ppp1
# iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j CONNMARK --save-mark \
-m state --state NEW
[... snip ...]
# iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -m mark --mark 1 \
-j SNAT --to-source 11.1.1.1
# iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -m mark --mark 2 \
-j SNAT --to-source 22.2.2.2
-> hareram wrote:
-> >
-> > Hi all
-> >
-> > iam trying to deploy loadbalance and failover
-> >
-> > My setup description
-> > --Fedora Core 4
-> > --Linux 2.6.12.3 #1 SMP Mon Jul 25 22:37:34 IST 2005 i686 i686 i386
-> > GNU/Linux
-> > --tc utility, iproute2-ss050314
-> > --ip utility, iproute2-ss050314
-> > --iptables v1.3.0
->
-> You say nothing about Julian's patch, so I assume you did not patch your
-> kernel. You must do that.
-> http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/
->
-> http://www.geocities.com/mctiew/ffw/dual.htm
->
-> I'm not sure this is still a good link
-> http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
-> so here is an old copy
-> http://yesican.chsoft.biz/lartc/MultihomedLinuxNetworking.html
-> --
-> gypsy
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2005-08-08 5:43 [LARTC] Loadbalancing and failover using TC and Iptables hareram
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2005-08-08 17:35 ` :: L i n u XK i D ::
@ 2005-08-08 17:59 ` hareram
2005-08-09 1:59 ` gypsy
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From: hareram @ 2005-08-08 17:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: lartc
Hi
yes i have tried with the docs
but from the box iam not able to go out
even i configureed on of client and try to access the internet, iam not able
to ??
any suggestions
hare
----- Original Message -----
From: ":: L i n u XK i D ::" <gregoriandres@yahoo.com.ar>
To: "lartc" <lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: RE: [LARTC] Loadbalancing and failover using TC and Iptables
>
> I've read next link:
>
> -> I'm not sure this is still a good link
> -> http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
>
>
> is really neccessary mark pakets on this way ?
>
>
> [... snip ...]
>
> # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j MARK --set-mark 1 \
> -m state --state NEW -o ppp0
> # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j MARK --set-mark 2 \
> -m state --state NEW -o ppp1
> # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j CONNMARK --save-mark \
> -m state --state NEW
>
> [... snip ...]
>
>
> # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -m mark --mark 1 \
> -j SNAT --to-source 11.1.1.1
> # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -m mark --mark 2 \
> -j SNAT --to-source 22.2.2.2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -> hareram wrote:
> -> >
> -> > Hi all
> -> >
> -> > iam trying to deploy loadbalance and failover
> -> >
> -> > My setup description
> -> > --Fedora Core 4
> -> > --Linux 2.6.12.3 #1 SMP Mon Jul 25 22:37:34 IST 2005 i686 i686 i386
> -> > GNU/Linux
> -> > --tc utility, iproute2-ss050314
> -> > --ip utility, iproute2-ss050314
> -> > --iptables v1.3.0
> ->
> -> You say nothing about Julian's patch, so I assume you did not patch
> your
> -> kernel. You must do that.
> -> http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/
> ->
> -> http://www.geocities.com/mctiew/ffw/dual.htm
> ->
> -> I'm not sure this is still a good link
> -> http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
> -> so here is an old copy
> -> http://yesican.chsoft.biz/lartc/MultihomedLinuxNetworking.html
> -> --
> -> gypsy
> -> _______________________________________________
> -> LARTC mailing list
> -> LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl
> -> http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
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>
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2005-08-08 5:43 [LARTC] Loadbalancing and failover using TC and Iptables hareram
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2005-08-08 17:59 ` hareram
@ 2005-08-09 1:59 ` gypsy
2005-08-09 14:21 ` LinuXKiD
2005-08-09 20:42 ` LinuXKiD
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From: gypsy @ 2005-08-09 1:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: lartc
:: L i n u XK i D :: wrote:
>
> I've read next link:
>
> -> I'm not sure this is still a good link
> -> http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
>
> is really neccessary mark pakets on this way ?
From the machine on which the 2 ISPs are connected to two different
NICs, no. It will send and receive packets without marking. Where I
have a problem is with NATted users; they are tied to one or the other
ISP (even though I run 'ip route flush cache') unless I mark.
Maybe Julian will give us some hints <grin>?
--
gypsy
> [... snip ...]
>
> # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j MARK --set-mark 1 \
> -m state --state NEW -o ppp0
> # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j MARK --set-mark 2 \
> -m state --state NEW -o ppp1
> # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j CONNMARK --save-mark \
> -m state --state NEW
>
> [... snip ...]
>
> # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -m mark --mark 1 \
> -j SNAT --to-source 11.1.1.1
> # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -m mark --mark 2 \
> -j SNAT --to-source 22.2.2.2
>
> -> hareram wrote:
> -> >
> -> > Hi all
> -> >
> -> > iam trying to deploy loadbalance and failover
> -> >
> -> > My setup description
> -> > --Fedora Core 4
> -> > --Linux 2.6.12.3 #1 SMP Mon Jul 25 22:37:34 IST 2005 i686 i686 i386
> -> > GNU/Linux
> -> > --tc utility, iproute2-ss050314
> -> > --ip utility, iproute2-ss050314
> -> > --iptables v1.3.0
> ->
> -> You say nothing about Julian's patch, so I assume you did not patch your
> -> kernel. You must do that.
> -> http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/
> ->
> -> http://www.geocities.com/mctiew/ffw/dual.htm
> ->
> -> I'm not sure this is still a good link
> -> http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
> -> so here is an old copy
> -> http://yesican.chsoft.biz/lartc/MultihomedLinuxNetworking.html
> -> --
> -> gypsy
> -> _______________________________________________
> -> LARTC mailing list
> -> LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl
> -> http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
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2005-08-08 5:43 [LARTC] Loadbalancing and failover using TC and Iptables hareram
` (4 preceding siblings ...)
2005-08-09 1:59 ` gypsy
@ 2005-08-09 14:21 ` LinuXKiD
2005-08-09 20:42 ` LinuXKiD
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From: LinuXKiD @ 2005-08-09 14:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: lartc
Another question related with this.
I've 4 ADSLs and I already use CONNMARK
to MARK out/in traffic from ADSLs in order
to make a QoS.
# iptables -L -t mangle
[... snip ...]
Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT 15M packets, 5610M bytes)
pkts bytes target prot opt in out source
destination
989K 299M MYSHAPER-OUT all -- * ppp3 0.0.0.0/0
0.0.0.0/0
985K 222M MYSHAPER-OUT all -- * ppp2 0.0.0.0/0
0.0.0.0/0
856K 163M MYSHAPER-OUT all -- * ppp1 0.0.0.0/0
0.0.0.0/0
841K 164M MYSHAPER-OUT all -- * ppp0 0.0.0.0/0
0.0.0.0/0
[... snip ...]
Chain MYSHAPER-OUT (4 references)
pkts bytes target prot opt in out source
destination
39254 7491K MARK tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0
0.0.0.0/0 tcp spts:0:1024 MARK set 0x17
1920K 221M MARK tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0
0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpts:0:1024 MARK set 0x17
1882 153K MARK tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0
0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:20 MARK set 0x1a
174 9457 MARK tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0
0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:5190 MARK set 0x17
142K 19M MARK tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0
0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:1863 MARK set 0x17
[... snip ...]
Later, with that MARK I put traffic on a HTB class.
...
$TC filter add dev $DEV parent nn:0 prio 0 protocol ip handle XX fw flowid
nn:yy
...
MY Question is:
is possible re-mark traffic or put another mark in order
to know which PPP interface going out ?
Must I use CLASSIFY to shape in/out PPP traffic , and let MARKs
to know which PPP interface going out ?
best regards.
andres
->
-> :: L i n u XK i D :: wrote:
-> >
-> > I've read next link:
-> >
-> > -> I'm not sure this is still a good link
-> > ->
-> http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
-> >
-> > is really neccessary mark pakets on this way ?
->
-> From the machine on which the 2 ISPs are connected to two different
-> NICs, no. It will send and receive packets without marking. Where I
-> have a problem is with NATted users; they are tied to one or the other
-> ISP (even though I run 'ip route flush cache') unless I mark.
->
-> Maybe Julian will give us some hints <grin>?
-> --
-> gypsy
->
-> > [... snip ...]
-> >
-> > # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j MARK --set-mark 1 \
-> > -m state --state NEW -o ppp0
-> > # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j MARK --set-mark 2 \
-> > -m state --state NEW -o ppp1
-> > # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j CONNMARK --save-mark \
-> > -m state --state NEW
-> >
-> > [... snip ...]
-> >
-> > # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -m mark --mark 1 \
-> > -j SNAT --to-source 11.1.1.1
-> > # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -m mark --mark 2 \
-> > -j SNAT --to-source 22.2.2.2
-> >
-> > -> hareram wrote:
-> > -> >
-> > -> > Hi all
-> > -> >
-> > -> > iam trying to deploy loadbalance and failover
-> > -> >
-> > -> > My setup description
-> > -> > --Fedora Core 4
-> > -> > --Linux 2.6.12.3 #1 SMP Mon Jul 25 22:37:34 IST 2005
-> i686 i686 i386
-> > -> > GNU/Linux
-> > -> > --tc utility, iproute2-ss050314
-> > -> > --ip utility, iproute2-ss050314
-> > -> > --iptables v1.3.0
-> > ->
-> > -> You say nothing about Julian's patch, so I assume you did
-> not patch your
-> > -> kernel. You must do that.
-> > -> http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/
-> > ->
-> > -> http://www.geocities.com/mctiew/ffw/dual.htm
-> > ->
-> > -> I'm not sure this is still a good link
-> > ->
-> http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
-> > -> so here is an old copy
-> > -> http://yesican.chsoft.biz/lartc/MultihomedLinuxNetworking.html
-> > -> --
-> > -> gypsy
-> > -> _______________________________________________
-> > -> LARTC mailing list
-> > -> LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl
-> > -> http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
-> > _______________________________________________
-> > LARTC mailing list
-> > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl
-> > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
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2005-08-08 5:43 [LARTC] Loadbalancing and failover using TC and Iptables hareram
` (5 preceding siblings ...)
2005-08-09 14:21 ` LinuXKiD
@ 2005-08-09 20:42 ` LinuXKiD
6 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: LinuXKiD @ 2005-08-09 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: lartc
I've tried this on my 4 adsl Linux + 10 hosts
lan... but works better without "marks"
->
-> Another question related with this.
->
-> I've 4 ADSLs and I already use CONNMARK
-> to MARK out/in traffic from ADSLs in order
-> to make a QoS.
->
-> # iptables -L -t mangle
->
-> [... snip ...]
->
-> Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT 15M packets, 5610M bytes)
-> pkts bytes target prot opt in out source
-> destination
-> 989K 299M MYSHAPER-OUT all -- * ppp3 0.0.0.0/0
-> 0.0.0.0/0
-> 985K 222M MYSHAPER-OUT all -- * ppp2 0.0.0.0/0
-> 0.0.0.0/0
-> 856K 163M MYSHAPER-OUT all -- * ppp1 0.0.0.0/0
-> 0.0.0.0/0
-> 841K 164M MYSHAPER-OUT all -- * ppp0 0.0.0.0/0
-> 0.0.0.0/0
->
-> [... snip ...]
->
-> Chain MYSHAPER-OUT (4 references)
-> pkts bytes target prot opt in out source
-> destination
-> 39254 7491K MARK tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0
-> 0.0.0.0/0 tcp spts:0:1024 MARK set 0x17
-> 1920K 221M MARK tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0
-> 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpts:0:1024 MARK set 0x17
-> 1882 153K MARK tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0
-> 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:20 MARK set 0x1a
-> 174 9457 MARK tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0
-> 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:5190 MARK set 0x17
-> 142K 19M MARK tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0
-> 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:1863 MARK set 0x17
-> [... snip ...]
->
->
-> Later, with that MARK I put traffic on a HTB class.
-> ...
-> $TC filter add dev $DEV parent nn:0 prio 0 protocol ip handle XX
-> fw flowid
-> nn:yy
-> ...
->
-> MY Question is:
-> is possible re-mark traffic or put another mark in order
-> to know which PPP interface going out ?
->
-> Must I use CLASSIFY to shape in/out PPP traffic , and let MARKs
-> to know which PPP interface going out ?
->
-> best regards.
->
-> andres
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
-> ->
-> -> :: L i n u XK i D :: wrote:
-> -> >
->
-> -> > I've read next link:
-> -> >
-> -> > -> I'm not sure this is still a good link
-> -> > ->
-> ->
-> http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
-> -> >
-> -> > is really neccessary mark pakets on this way ?
-> ->
-> -> From the machine on which the 2 ISPs are connected to two different
-> -> NICs, no. It will send and receive packets without marking. Where I
-> -> have a problem is with NATted users; they are tied to one or the other
-> -> ISP (even though I run 'ip route flush cache') unless I mark.
-> ->
-> -> Maybe Julian will give us some hints <grin>?
-> -> --
-> -> gypsy
-> ->
-> -> > [... snip ...]
-> -> >
-> -> > # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j MARK --set-mark 1 \
-> -> > -m state --state NEW -o ppp0
-> -> > # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j MARK --set-mark 2 \
-> -> > -m state --state NEW -o ppp1
-> -> > # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t mangle -j CONNMARK --save-mark \
-> -> > -m state --state NEW
-> -> >
-> -> > [... snip ...]
-> -> >
-> -> > # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -m mark --mark 1 \
-> -> > -j SNAT --to-source 11.1.1.1
-> -> > # iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -m mark --mark 2 \
-> -> > -j SNAT --to-source 22.2.2.2
-> -> >
-> -> > -> hareram wrote:
-> -> > -> >
-> -> > -> > Hi all
-> -> > -> >
-> -> > -> > iam trying to deploy loadbalance and failover
-> -> > -> >
-> -> > -> > My setup description
-> -> > -> > --Fedora Core 4
-> -> > -> > --Linux 2.6.12.3 #1 SMP Mon Jul 25 22:37:34 IST 2005
-> -> i686 i686 i386
-> -> > -> > GNU/Linux
-> -> > -> > --tc utility, iproute2-ss050314
-> -> > -> > --ip utility, iproute2-ss050314
-> -> > -> > --iptables v1.3.0
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> You say nothing about Julian's patch, so I assume you did
-> -> not patch your
-> -> > -> kernel. You must do that.
-> -> > -> http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> http://www.geocities.com/mctiew/ffw/dual.htm
-> -> > ->
-> -> > -> I'm not sure this is still a good link
-> -> > ->
-> ->
http://selab.edu.ms/twiki/bin/view/Networking/MultihomedLinuxNetworking
-> > -> so here is an old copy
-> > -> http://yesican.chsoft.biz/lartc/MultihomedLinuxNetworking.html
-> > -> --
-> > -> gypsy
-> > -> _______________________________________________
-> > -> LARTC mailing list
-> > -> LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl
-> > -> http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
-> > _______________________________________________
-> > LARTC mailing list
-> > LARTC@mailman.ds9a.nl
-> > http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
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