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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	kravetz@us.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, magnus.damm@gmail.com,
	marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Swap migration V3: Overview
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:59:14 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <435883B2.2090400@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051020160638.58b4d08d.akpm@osdl.org>

Andrew Morton wrote:
> Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:
> 
>>Page migration is also useful for other purposes:
>>
>> 1. Memory hotplug. Migrating processes off a memory node that is going
>>    to be disconnected.
>>
>> 2. Remapping of bad pages. These could be detected through soft ECC errors
>>    and other mechanisms.
> 
> 
> It's only useful for these things if it works with close-to-100% reliability.
> 
> And there are are all sorts of things which will prevent that - mlock,
> ongoing direct-io, hugepages, whatever.
> 
In lhms tree, current status is below: (If I'm wrong, plz fix)
==
For mlock, direct page migration will work fine. try_to_unmap_one()
in -mhp tree has an argument *force* and ignore VM_LOCKED, it's for this.

For direct-io, we have to wait for completion.
The end of I/O is not notified and memory_migrate() is just polling pages.

For hugepages, we'll need hugepage demand paging and more work, I think.
==

When a process migrates to other nodes by hand, it can cooperate with migration
subsystem. So we don't have to be afraid of some special using of memory, in many case.
I think Christoph's approach will work fine.

When it comes to memory-hotplug, arbitrary processes are affected.
It's more difficult.

We should focus on 'process migraion on demand', in this thread.

-- Kame


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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	kravetz@us.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, magnus.damm@gmail.com,
	marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Swap migration V3: Overview
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:59:14 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <435883B2.2090400@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051020160638.58b4d08d.akpm@osdl.org>

Andrew Morton wrote:
> Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:
> 
>>Page migration is also useful for other purposes:
>>
>> 1. Memory hotplug. Migrating processes off a memory node that is going
>>    to be disconnected.
>>
>> 2. Remapping of bad pages. These could be detected through soft ECC errors
>>    and other mechanisms.
> 
> 
> It's only useful for these things if it works with close-to-100% reliability.
> 
> And there are are all sorts of things which will prevent that - mlock,
> ongoing direct-io, hugepages, whatever.
> 
In lhms tree, current status is below: (If I'm wrong, plz fix)
==
For mlock, direct page migration will work fine. try_to_unmap_one()
in -mhp tree has an argument *force* and ignore VM_LOCKED, it's for this.

For direct-io, we have to wait for completion.
The end of I/O is not notified and memory_migrate() is just polling pages.

For hugepages, we'll need hugepage demand paging and more work, I think.
==

When a process migrates to other nodes by hand, it can cooperate with migration
subsystem. So we don't have to be afraid of some special using of memory, in many case.
I think Christoph's approach will work fine.

When it comes to memory-hotplug, arbitrary processes are affected.
It's more difficult.

We should focus on 'process migraion on demand', in this thread.

-- Kame

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-10-21  6:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-20 22:59 [PATCH 0/4] Swap migration V3: Overview Christoph Lameter
2005-10-20 22:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-20 22:59 ` [PATCH 1/4] Swap migration V3: LRU operations Christoph Lameter
2005-10-20 22:59   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21  6:06   ` Dave Hansen
2005-10-21  6:06     ` Dave Hansen
2005-10-21  6:27     ` Magnus Damm
2005-10-21  6:27       ` Magnus Damm
2005-10-21  6:56       ` Dave Hansen
2005-10-21  6:56         ` Dave Hansen
2005-10-21  7:25         ` Magnus Damm
2005-10-21  7:25           ` Magnus Damm
2005-10-21 15:42         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 15:42           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 11:49     ` Nikita Danilov
2005-10-21 11:49       ` Nikita Danilov
2005-10-20 22:59 ` [PATCH 2/4] Swap migration V3: Page Eviction Christoph Lameter
2005-10-20 22:59   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-22  1:06   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-22  1:06     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-20 22:59 ` [PATCH 3/4] Swap migration V3: MPOL_MF_MOVE interface Christoph Lameter
2005-10-20 22:59   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-20 22:59 ` [PATCH 4/4] Swap migration V3: sys_migrate_pages interface Christoph Lameter
2005-10-20 22:59   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21  2:55   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21  2:55     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21  7:07     ` Simon Derr
2005-10-21  7:07       ` Simon Derr
2005-10-21  7:20       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21  7:20         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21  7:39         ` Simon Derr
2005-10-21  7:39           ` Simon Derr
2005-10-21  7:46           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21  7:46             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21 15:22           ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 15:22             ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 15:15         ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 15:15           ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 15:21           ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2005-10-21 15:21             ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2005-10-21 18:10             ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 18:10               ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 18:26               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 18:26                 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 18:57                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 18:57                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 15:47           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 15:47             ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 16:18             ` Ray Bryant
2005-10-21 16:18               ` Ray Bryant
2005-10-21 16:33               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 16:33                 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 15:18         ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 15:18           ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 16:27         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 16:27           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 16:59           ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2005-10-21 16:59             ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2005-10-21 17:03           ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 17:03             ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 17:06             ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 17:06               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 18:17               ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 18:17                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-20 23:06 ` [PATCH 0/4] Swap migration V3: Overview Andrew Morton
2005-10-20 23:06   ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-20 23:46   ` mike kravetz
2005-10-20 23:46     ` mike kravetz
2005-10-21  3:22     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21  3:22       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21  3:32       ` mike kravetz
2005-10-21  3:32         ` mike kravetz
2005-10-21  3:56         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21  3:56           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21  4:22           ` mike kravetz
2005-10-21  4:22             ` mike kravetz
2005-10-21  5:13             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21  5:13               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-21 15:28     ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 15:28       ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-21 16:00       ` mike kravetz
2005-10-21 16:00         ` mike kravetz
2005-10-21  5:59   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2005-10-21  5:59     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-10-22  1:16     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-22  1:16       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-21 15:54   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21 15:54     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-21  1:57 ` Magnus Damm
2005-10-21  1:57   ` Magnus Damm
2005-10-22  0:50   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-22  0:50     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-23 12:50     ` Magnus Damm
2005-10-23 12:50       ` Magnus Damm
2005-10-24  7:44       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-24  7:44         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-25 11:37         ` Magnus Damm
2005-10-25 14:37           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-25 14:37             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-26  7:04             ` Magnus Damm
2005-10-26  7:04               ` Magnus Damm
2005-10-27 15:01               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-27 15:01                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-27 20:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-27 20:43                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-27 21:35                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-27 21:35                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-28  3:07                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-28  3:07                       ` Andrew Morton

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