Xen 3.0 and Pacifica

Xen 3.0 and Pacifica

[Robin van Leeuwen]

When AMD's PAcifica is released will windows domU's
be immidiatly become available? or will we we have to
wait for Xen 3.1?

Is there a way to test-run pacifica? Software implementation
of pacifica to emulate a pacifica mainboard/processor?
On Linux offcourse.

-- 
Kind regards,

Robin van Leeuwen
RLD Software
ICT Services for SMB

Re: Xen 3.0 and Pacifica

[Mark Williamson]

Initial Intel VT support (which is similar) will be there first (in the 3.0 
release).  The Pacifica support and fully-optimised VT support will likely be 
in later 3.x release.

I don't know of a (freely available) software implementation of Pacifica, 
although there's no reason someone with enough free time couldn't hack it 
into something like Bochs or QEmu.

HTH,
Mark

On Friday 21 October 2005 11:17, Robin van Leeuwen wrote:
> When AMD's PAcifica is released will windows domU's
> be immidiatly become available? or will we we have to
> wait for Xen 3.1?
>
> Is there a way to test-run pacifica? Software implementation
> of pacifica to emulate a pacifica mainboard/processor?
> On Linux offcourse.

RE: Xen 3.0 and Pacifica

[Petersson, Mats]

There is SimNow, which is available to anyone who can be bothered to
register at the AMD site. It works on any AMD-64-bit hardware (and
probably also on Intel's 64-bit Pentium processors for those who want to
try that out, but I wouldn't guarantee it). It runs most op-codes
natively, so it's not as slow as some previous generations of simulators
that we've had to use... ;-) It does like to use a lot of memory, so
don't try to run on anything with less than 1GB of memory, and more is
strongly recommended... 

http://developer.amd.com/downloads.aspx


--
Mats 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com 
> [mailto:xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mark Williamson
> Sent: 21 October 2005 15:10
> To: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
> Cc: Robin van Leeuwen
> Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Xen 3.0 and Pacifica
> 
> Initial Intel VT support (which is similar) will be there 
> first (in the 3.0 release).  The Pacifica support and 
> fully-optimised VT support will likely be in later 3.x release.
> 
> I don't know of a (freely available) software implementation 
> of Pacifica, although there's no reason someone with enough 
> free time couldn't hack it into something like Bochs or QEmu.
> 
> HTH,
> Mark
> 
> On Friday 21 October 2005 11:17, Robin van Leeuwen wrote:
> > When AMD's PAcifica is released will windows domU's be immidiatly 
> > become available? or will we we have to wait for Xen 3.1?
> >
> > Is there a way to test-run pacifica? Software implementation of 
> > pacifica to emulate a pacifica mainboard/processor?
> > On Linux offcourse.
> 
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> 
> 

Re: Xen 3.0 and Pacifica

[Robin van Leeuwen]

Thanks for your reaction it's very appreciated.
I know this is "Xen-Devel" and not "Simnow-users"
but i downloaded simnow and at a first glance it looks
nice. I created a debian .hdd file with the disktool and
the debian-sarge-64-bit-network-install cd but
it keeps comming up with "No OS found" even when i
only use debian-sarge.hdd as primary and no other devices.

Can you give me a short answer? or point me in the right
direction (mailinglists, howto's etc) for the right
documentation.

Petersson, Mats wrote:
> Robin, 
> 
> I'm working on the development of SVM (Pacifica) for Xen. I can't really
> tell you much about the status, because there are other people who
> decide what is supposed to come out to whom and when, and I don't want
> to leak anything that shouldn't be told. This isn't just me trying to be
> difficult or anything, but has to do with the fact that AMD is a large,
> publicly held company, and according to certain US laws, we have to tell
> "everyone" if we tell someone, unless it's under NDA. Otherwise you get
> into trouble. Or so I've been told... 
> 
> The plan, certainly, contains supporting Windows XP/Server2K3 when we
> release the patches to go into Xen public. But that would of course also
> rely on Xen actually having the relevant support. I think it's (almost)
> there right now, judging by public postings by Intel, so my guess is
> that it will work when we release our source, but we can only guess at
> this stage. As to which version of Xen it will be in, I can't really say
> [as that would give you an indication of when we plan to release it, and
> that's not for me to tell anyone].
> 
> If you go to http://developer.amd.com/downloads.aspx, you can find a
> simulator that has SVM capability, it can be run on either Linux 64-bit
> or Windows 64-bit, depending on the (lack of) taste of the user.
> 
> I'm sure that we will have some sort of pre-release version available
> before the final release. 
> 
> --
> Mats 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com 
>>[mailto:xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of 
>>Robin van Leeuwen
>>Sent: 21 October 2005 11:17
>>To: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
>>Subject: [Xen-devel] Xen 3.0 and Pacifica
>>
>>When AMD's PAcifica is released will windows domU's be 
>>immidiatly become available? or will we we have to wait for Xen 3.1?
>>
>>Is there a way to test-run pacifica? Software implementation 
>>of pacifica to emulate a pacifica mainboard/processor?
>>On Linux offcourse.
>>
>>--
>>Kind regards,
>>
>>Robin van Leeuwen
>>RLD Software
>>ICT Services for SMB
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Xen-devel mailing list
>>Xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
>>http://lists.xensource.com/xen-devel
>>
>>
> 
> 

-- 
Kind regards,

Robin van Leeuwen
RLD Software
ICT Services for SMB

RE: Xen 3.0 and Pacifica

[Wahlig, Elsie]

For SimNow support send email simnow<dot>support<at>amd<dot>com. 

Elsie
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com 
> [mailto:xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robin van Leeuwen
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:49 PM
> To: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
> Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Xen 3.0 and Pacifica
> 
> 
> Thanks for your reaction it's very appreciated.
> I know this is "Xen-Devel" and not "Simnow-users"
> but i downloaded simnow and at a first glance it looks nice. 
> I created a debian .hdd file with the disktool and the 
> debian-sarge-64-bit-network-install cd but it keeps comming 
> up with "No OS found" even when i only use debian-sarge.hdd 
> as primary and no other devices.
> 
> Can you give me a short answer? or point me in the right 
> direction (mailinglists, howto's etc) for the right documentation.
> 
> Petersson, Mats wrote:
> > Robin,
> > 
> > I'm working on the development of SVM (Pacifica) for Xen. I can't 
> > really tell you much about the status, because there are 
> other people 
> > who decide what is supposed to come out to whom and when, 
> and I don't 
> > want to leak anything that shouldn't be told. This isn't just me 
> > trying to be difficult or anything, but has to do with the 
> fact that 
> > AMD is a large, publicly held company, and according to certain US 
> > laws, we have to tell "everyone" if we tell someone, unless 
> it's under 
> > NDA. Otherwise you get into trouble. Or so I've been told...
> > 
> > The plan, certainly, contains supporting Windows 
> XP/Server2K3 when we 
> > release the patches to go into Xen public. But that would of course 
> > also rely on Xen actually having the relevant support. I think it's 
> > (almost) there right now, judging by public postings by 
> Intel, so my 
> > guess is that it will work when we release our source, but 
> we can only 
> > guess at this stage. As to which version of Xen it will be 
> in, I can't 
> > really say [as that would give you an indication of when we plan to 
> > release it, and that's not for me to tell anyone].
> > 
> > If you go to http://developer.amd.com/downloads.aspx, you 
> can find a 
> > simulator that has SVM capability, it can be run on either Linux 
> > 64-bit or Windows 64-bit, depending on the (lack of) taste 
> of the user.
> > 
> > I'm sure that we will have some sort of pre-release version 
> available 
> > before the final release.
> > 
> > --
> > Mats
> > 
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com
> >>[mailto:xen-devel-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robin van 
> >>Leeuwen
> >>Sent: 21 October 2005 11:17
> >>To: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
> >>Subject: [Xen-devel] Xen 3.0 and Pacifica
> >>
> >>When AMD's PAcifica is released will windows domU's be immidiatly 
> >>become available? or will we we have to wait for Xen 3.1?
> >>
> >>Is there a way to test-run pacifica? Software implementation of 
> >>pacifica to emulate a pacifica mainboard/processor?
> >>On Linux offcourse.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Kind regards,
> >>
> >>Robin van Leeuwen
> >>RLD Software
> >>ICT Services for SMB
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Xen-devel mailing list
> >>Xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
> >>http://lists.xensource.com/xen-devel
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> Kind regards,
> 
> Robin van Leeuwen
> RLD Software
> ICT Services for SMB
> 
> 
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